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  • Switching Spaces (whatever method you use) is still one of the things about the newer M1 Pro MBPs that makes it feel like a big upgrade. The new promotion display makes it so smooth, and for something you do a lot like switching Spaces, it really stands out.

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  • I'm sure most users are more excited about the 593 new emoji but this is nice as well 😉

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  • If not afraid to learn some Lua, Hammerspoon is seriously awesome for window management and many other tasks

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  • @SevenSystems said:
    I'm sure most users are more excited about the 593 new emoji but this is nice as well 😉

    New emoji has proven to be the most effective way to get people to upgrade iOS so far. Don't knock it. ;)

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  • edited February 2022

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    @NeuM said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    I'm sure most users are more excited about the 593 new emoji but this is nice as well 😉

    New emoji has proven to be the most effective way to get people to upgrade iOS so far. Don't knock it. ;)

    That's horrible.

    I can only hope that it's not true ...

    But then ... it would explain why Apple is so much concentration on this :o

    This is why every major new release includes new emoji. It works. People use their social media apps and cameras more than any other functions.

    Other than new app "Wordle!" (which is this week's hot app) look at the top 5 apps: https://www.similarweb.com/apps/top/apple/store-rank/us/all/top-free/iphone/

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  • @tja said:
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    But ... I cannot.
    As I cannot control launchd without disabling SIP.

    And I even tried that - but then, lots of things seem to not work properly anymore.

    Disabling SIP is going to become more and more problematic.

    macOS is ... just for users, not for admins.

    I'd say that's a fair assessment. Can I interest you in a free copy of FreeBSD?

    If you don't mind my asking, what's your use case for your Mac? Macs really aren't good for being servers anymore. They've been getting worse and worse for this over time since Apple killed the server version of OS X. I think they are great for certain types of things because of the OS and the applications that are available. But, they really suck for other types of tasks because of the OS and the lack of applications. For me, they provide a combination of productivity, creative, and programming/scientific tools that nothing else has, but I wouldn't reach for a Mac if I needed to write business oriented software again for example.

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  • I've probably mentioned it already, but I have a headless Mac that I just VNC into from my main Linux desktop (VNC window is just always open sitting on Desktop 1 whenever I need it)... not something you'd consider? (It's reasonably smooth over a Gigabit ethernet connection...)

  • @tja said:

    @NeonSilicon said:

    If you don't mind my asking, what's your use case for your Mac? Macs really aren't good for being servers anymore. They've been getting worse and worse for this over time since Apple killed the server version of OS X. I think they are great for certain types of things because of the OS and the applications that are available. But, they really suck for other types of tasks because of the OS and the lack of applications. For me, they provide a combination of productivity, creative, and programming/scientific tools that nothing else has, but I wouldn't reach for a Mac if I needed to write business oriented software again for example.

    I bought the Mac Mini M1 to try programming for i*OS / macOS, with Xcode and Swift.

    Then I noticed that I don't like to switch between Windows and macOS and am using the Mac as sole desktop computer ever since.

    That's what the Mini was originally designed for. It's a gateway drug into the Apple ecosystem for developers.

    With lots of problems because of the restrictions.

    Some of those restrictions you have to live with to keep system workable as a dev machine even when they aren't what you would really like. Lots of stuff is configurable if you can find the documentation somewhere.

    But I still like it and continue to get used to it.

    There are still some very nice things about the Mac. For me, it's the best combination of productivity, dev, creative, and engineering applications I've found.

    So, no - FreeBSD or NetBSD or Linux cannot get me want I want and need.
    For now, it is macOS and probably later Windows again.
    Linux only as root server at a provider.

    I was mainly just joking with the FreeBSD question, even though I do actually like and use it. I think I have more Linux devices now than I do macOS and iOS combined, but I'm really annoyed with it right now since the last Manjaro update I did completely broke my little gaming machine and it took about 6 hours of screwing around to find that they had updated the kernel to a version that is incompatible with the Nvidia drivers that they installed.

    But yeah, if your main goal includes iOS programming, macOS it is.

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  • @tja said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    I've probably mentioned it already, but I have a headless Mac that I just VNC into from my main Linux desktop (VNC window is just always open sitting on Desktop 1 whenever I need it)... not something you'd consider? (It's reasonably smooth over a Gigabit ethernet connection...)

    Yep, you mentioned that some times 😅😅😅

    Brain is fried at 42 years I guess. I need to be relieved from this rusty physical existence soon 😁

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  • Purgeable space can come from some different places. It often comes from iCloud drive files that are locally cached. Maybe this has something to do with OneDrive now that they are using the file extension stuff that Apple wants them to move to. You can get some idea of where things might be coming from using Apple Menu -> About This Mac and then using the "Manage" button on the "Storage" tab.

    Typically, you don't need to do anything about the purgeable space as the system will recover it when needed. But, I have run into situations before where the system had a bunch of space tied up in Time Machine backup snapshots and I had to force delete all of them. Another thing that gets to be a pain now is with the way APFS works with sandboxed partitions that look like they've got tons of files in them but almost everything is a symlink to the main System and Library directories.

  • Random unqualified comment from a simple-minded minimalist bystander: Could it be that this whole business is getting so complicated with so many exceptions and levels of redirection that basically nobody has any idea anymore what's really going on, ditching the basic UNIX philosophy entirely? (same with CoreAudio)

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  • @tja said:

    @NeonSilicon said:
    Purgeable space can come from some different places. It often comes from iCloud drive files that are locally cached. Maybe this has something to do with OneDrive now that they are using the file extension stuff that Apple wants them to move to. You can get some idea of where things might be coming from using Apple Menu -> About This Mac and then using the "Manage" button on the "Storage" tab.

    Yes, found that - but it did not help, as OneDrive seems to work differently.
    But yes, the problems came with the last OneDrive updates, where they now have a totally strange concept, where the OneDrive Sync location can be on an external drive, but uses a hidden location, while there is a SymLink that points back to ~/Library/CloudStorage/OneDrive-Personal and therefor uses space on the internal disk.
    But somehow, they only mirror this internally and it seems that the real content then get's transferred back to the external disk.
    It's a horrible construct, but it seems they needed to do that because of Apple.
    I did not yet fully understand this construction.

    But it already creates problems for me:

    My Sync locations are normally on an external disk, and I have users created for any of the OneDrive family accounts - as the disk is mounted with "noowners", normally all users could access those files and I could copy, move or otherwise manage the Sync locations for all users.
    No problem.

    Now, the "seemingly" location is a strange SymLink and at least apparently not on the external disk that is mounted with "noowners". This means, that all the users cannot access the Sync locations of other users anymore - basically disabling any easy way to handle content.

    Using "sudo -i" or directly "su - user" to switch to other users does not work anymore, at least it does not give access to the apparent Sync locations.
    So one problem leads to the next.

    Tomorrow I will try to copy from one account to the external disk, then login with the other user and move the content into the Sync location. Hopefully this works.

    Typically, you don't need to do anything about the purgeable space as the system will recover it when needed. But, I have run into situations before where the system had a bunch of space tied up in Time Machine backup snapshots and I had to force delete all of them. Another thing that gets to be a pain now is with the way APFS works with sandboxed partitions that look like they've got tons of files in them but almost everything is a symlink to the main System and Library directories.

    It is even worse: When trying around with this, I noticed that my Timemachine disk is constantly working.
    I already fear that while the Sync locations on the external disk are excluded from Timemachine (the whole external disk), all of the synced content may still have been backuped by Timemachine, as the "apparent" location is in ~/Library/CloudStorage/OneDrive-Personal for those users - and therefor not excluded from Timemachine!

    Also, that OneDrive used 40 GB of virtual memory and that over 40 GB of Swap space got used ... is simply unacceptable. They are doing "something" wrong here.

    Anyways, deleting those snapshots purged my disk and this already made me more happy 😅🤗

    I don't use any of the cloud services for file syncing. I only use them for backup and I control that all by hand. If I need to sync files between devices, I use specific applications. The only exception I guess is Notes because that one actually seems to work. I do use Time Machine, but only when I'm prepping for an update and the rest of the time I leave it off. For all of the file sharing stuff I do for our family I use a Linux based NAS with a RAID setup. The good thing from Apple is that the OS has good support for all of these types of standard tools. The bad part is that their UI's for them and all their automated stuff pretty much sucks now. There was a time where they were pretty good on that end too, but that seems to me at least to be pretty much gone.

  • @SevenSystems said:
    Random unqualified comment from a simple-minded minimalist bystander: Could it be that this whole business is getting so complicated with so many exceptions and levels of redirection that basically nobody has any idea anymore what's really going on, ditching the basic UNIX philosophy entirely? (same with CoreAudio)

    All I'm going to say to that is "systemd."

    (CoreAudio is still pretty much OK to me. The next layer up is getting more and more wonky though.)

  • @NeonSilicon said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    Random unqualified comment from a simple-minded minimalist bystander: Could it be that this whole business is getting so complicated with so many exceptions and levels of redirection that basically nobody has any idea anymore what's really going on, ditching the basic UNIX philosophy entirely? (same with CoreAudio)

    All I'm going to say to that is "systemd."

    :) yes, good comparison. I've started with SuSE Linux 6.1 in 1997 I think, and that was still SysV with scripts that even a (smart) monkey could understand.

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    @SevenSystems said:

    @NeonSilicon said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    Random unqualified comment from a simple-minded minimalist bystander: Could it be that this whole business is getting so complicated with so many exceptions and levels of redirection that basically nobody has any idea anymore what's really going on, ditching the basic UNIX philosophy entirely? (same with CoreAudio)

    All I'm going to say to that is "systemd."

    :) yes, good comparison. I've started with SuSE Linux 6.1 in 1997 I think, and that was still SysV with scripts that even a (smart) monkey could understand.

    Even so, isn't rsync available on MacOS for someone who wants to implement a simple, "unixy" syncing solution?

    EDIT: and there's a (very old) rsync client available for iOS: https://apps.apple.com/app/acrosync/id428855722

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