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Random MacOS questions from a Windows user

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  • The password stuff will settle down. Don’t tell anybody but I use a shortcut that types my password using a keyboard shortcut (using an old
    App called Butler).

    As for the rest, Mac obviously isn’t windows. If you try and use it as if it was it will just be frustrating.

    It’s a bit like trying to use Ableton Live and getting frustrated about it not having a feature from Cubase even though it opens up all sorts of new possibilities. You just have to approach it with an open mind if you want to get the best out of it.

  • @tja said:
    OK, i need to enable keychain locally, without using iCloud.
    That should be possible.

    But i still see no way to enter my Apple ID password in a way, that the App Store does not ask again and again.

    I don't use the iCloud keychain and don't have to enter the App Store password repeatedly. If you're getting the prompt for your password each time you try to make a purchase then check the options in System Preferences | Apple ID | Media & Purchases.

    On another note, I've just had 45 minutes on the phone with Apple Support trying to get something done about the fact someone is repeatedly locking me out of my Apple ID by trying to log in to my iCloud email, sometimes multiple times each day.

    They won't do one goddam thing about it. Apparently an email address that I had no say in, don't want and have never used can't be modified or removed. I just have to put up with being thrown out regularly, or I could delete my Apple ID losing about £700 of software and media in the process.

    Not remotely happy with Apple right now.

    Craig Federighi just got an email. Don't suppose it'll do any good, but...

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    @tja said:
    In case you did not know: If someone is trying to access your iCloud keychain with a wrong password too often, that chain of keys will be deleted at Apple and you will loose any and all passwords!

    I know all about it. My Apple ID is of the form (firstname)(lastname)(at)icloud(dot)com and someone with the same name thinks it's his. He got a SIM from GiffGaff two months ago using my iCloud email to do it and has been trying to get into the account ever since. Meanwhile GiffGaff have been sending me emails containing his personal data. :o

    Getting locked out is a pain because I have 2 macs each with 2 different versions of macOS installed, 3 iPhones and 2 iPads with various iOS versions and screen sizes for testing. Each of them need the password entering twice: once for iCloud, then again for the App Store. So I unlock the account, sometimes get forced to change the password, and then have to enter the password 18 times... over and over...

    Incidentally, if you don't want an iCloud email address (that you have no control over) adding to your Apple ID you have to make sure you never turn on the email option in the iCloud preferences. Not easy, because OS updates will sometimes 'helpfully' turn all the options on for you.

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    @tja said:

    In case you did not know: If someone is trying to access your iCloud keychain with a wrong password too often, that chain of keys will be deleted at Apple and you will loose any and all passwords!

    Citation?

  • @Liquidmantis said:

    @tja said:

    In case you did not know: If someone is trying to access your iCloud keychain with a wrong password too often, that chain of keys will be deleted at Apple and you will loose any and all passwords!

    Citation?

    Never heard of that happening. They'll lock your account after too many password attempts or disable it if someone keeps trying to reset the password via iforgot.apple.com, but you can get it back even if you have 2FA enabled and don't have a trusted device either through the multi-day account recovery process or by using a recovery ID if you've set one up.

  • @AlanC3 said:

    @Liquidmantis said:

    @tja said:

    In case you did not know: If someone is trying to access your iCloud keychain with a wrong password too often, that chain of keys will be deleted at Apple and you will loose any and all passwords!

    Citation?

    Never heard of that happening. They'll lock your account after too many password attempts or disable it if someone keeps trying to reset the password via iforgot.apple.com, but you can get it back even if you have 2FA enabled and don't have a trusted device either through the multi-day account recovery process or by using a recovery ID if you've set one up.

    Never heard it here either, and Google doesn’t seem to turn up anything on this.

  • wimwim
    edited December 2020

    @tja, I also use a separate password vault as my master password database. Mine makes it easy to look up, then copy/paste my ridiculously complex random passwords (that I generally don't even know). However, since getting the Mac, I've relented a bit and now allow the local keychain to store low-risk passwords such as for forums and the like, while not storing critical ones such as my banking accounts. It just saves time not having to pull up the other password app.

    My Apple ID password is, of necessity, less complex and random than the rest. I don't want to have to type a ridiculous password to log on to my Apple devices, so that becomes the weak link. This is why I don't store anything critical in the keychain.

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  • @tja said:
    But on the linked URL https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202755 i cannot read this text anymore.

    I can, and it's exactly as you quoted it. My apologies for doubting you. The article has been archived, so who knows if they still follow that policy, but they definitely did at some point.

    @tja said:
    So you need to initiate the recovery process.... whatever that means.
    And does that work? How?

    If you have 2FA activated there are two possibilities:
    Account recovery: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204921
    Using a recovery key: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT208072

    The recovery key gets you back in quickly but is dangerous. If you activate it then it's the only way to get your account back: lose the key and you're locked out forever.

  • @tja if I may dive a little into this password / security "off-topic" Gedöns ;)

    This whole 2FA / "Forgot my password" / Keychain / Security Questions / Blablabla thing is something very typical in today's society (yes, I'm old).

    Basically, a group of people (average internet users) have a problem (shitty passwords / memory), and then try to move the responsibility / blame to another group of people (software developers). Or to put it differently, a problem which has a simple solution (strong passwords and own responsibility for them on the password owners) is taken away from the source and moved to a different location where it doesn't belong, creating a host of other problems that are many times worse than the original.

    It happens in many other areas of society, like the "LETHAL DANGER!!!" signs next to each puddle of mud or creek, "CAUSES CANCER" labels on SSDs (Californian law because some eejit has eaten one and then gotten cancer), etc.

    When I started using the internet around 1995, there simply was no "Forgot password" feature, no 2FA, no "Another device" for recovery, no security questions, etc. -- I was simply responsible for MY shit and if I messed up, I had to deal with it.

    Sorry for derailing the thread. When you get old and frustrated, you tend to divert every conversation into a more general philosophical discussion :D

    (I know I also see things very pragmatically and maybe slightly simplistically sometimes ;))

  • @tja said:
    But i fear that this will not be the case - and i found no way to "restart" use of the keychain.

    You can reset the local keychain: run Keychain Access, Preferences, Reset My Default Keychains. Be careful with that: you lose everything in your Login and Local Items keychains, including a lot of system generated stuff.

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  • @tja said:
    Those cryptic and long passwords may be more secure, but that means you need some password safe.
    And this password safe needs to be accessible easily, with a password that you can remember.
    ... etc.

    All security is about tradeoffs. I do store the password database in the cloud so that I can access it from any device if needed. The cloud account has a ridiculously complex password, but I only ever need to enter it unless accessing from a new device. The password database has a difficult to crack password, but something I constructed that I will hopefully remember. In case I do forget it, I do have a paper copy of the database tucked away somewhere secure.

    Yes, if I was in any of the circumstances you mention, I'd have some issues. I deem those unlikely enough that I accept the risk.

    As for passwords, the randomness and length of them is more born out of convenience than fear that they would be cracked. I have one rule: no two sites ever have the same password. Therefore, cracking one is will never result in compromising the rest (unless the one compromised is the recovery email address, then I might have a problem. :# ). Most sites have password strength requirements, and it's just easier to let the password safe program generate them.

    A friend of mine, a professional security expert, and the most paranoid person I know, uses what I think is an ingenious system that obviates the need for a password safe. He has a memorized algorithm for constructing passwords that combine a fixed phrase he won't forget with info about the site and a few other tricks. The result is a password that is always unique, very difficult to crack, but always able to be recalled without difficulty. This is the best method I've ever come across. Some day I may switch over to this.

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  • @tja said:
    Google also offers 2FA, but when you do not add a working email address, there is no way to reset the password - only with a set of one-time codes. This seems to be better than the Apple method.

    You can create a single-purpose email address with a cryptic name and good password as a recovery email address. All recovery messages should be purged from this account after use.

    In fact, using your regular email address as a password recovery address is very bad practice.

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  • I can hand you the Xequence project, but you have to promise to add a tempo track, time signature track AND make it an AUv3 before January 😉

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  • @SevenSystems said:
    I can hand you the Xequence project, but you have to promise to add a tempo track, time signature track AND make it an AUv3 before January 😉

    Just a few lines of code, how hard could it be? 👨🏻‍🍳

    I still haven't figured out how to get around this new Mac asking for my password every time I look at it funny. 😂

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  • @tja said:
    I have another "random question":

    With "Rectangle", i can flip windows to certain positions, which is great.

    But the Menu lists, for example, control-option-left to flip the window to the left half of the screen.
    That simply does not work!

    But it works with control-command-left instead!

    On my keyboard, a Keychron K1V4, the leftmost buttons on the lowest row are:

    control option command

    What is wrong here?!?

    Is that keyboard one that also works with windows? Because if you use a windows keyboard on Mac cmd and option are switched- the “windows” key is command.

  • The Keychron looks to be a Mac-first keyboard, but for me, Rectangle moves with CTRL-OPT-Left as marked. Does your keyboard need an update to flip to Mac mode?

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