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Random MacOS questions from a Windows user

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  • edited December 2020

    A case of literal PEBCAK! :tongue:

  • The Keychrons are great. Typing this on the new K3 optical, which is my favourite yet. (Also my family's, as it doesn't make the lovely clacky racket my earlier Gateron models do and so they throw fewer things at me when I'm typing while they're trying to watch TV.)

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  • edited December 2020

    Sleep is like suspend to ram, hibernate is suspend to disk, standby is kind of in between, but goes into hibernate eventually. Power nap means it can wake up from network if I remember correctly, or maybe it’s sleeping but can still receive emails, something like that.

    To wake it up, press any key, or if it’s in standby or hibernate, you should just have to press the power button quickly. 5 second press on the power button is shutdown.

    You can also set it to go into those modes after certain periods of time, or not at all, like on windows.

    When I first switched to Mac it made very little sense to me, but the more I used it the more I liked it.

    Also, you can create virtual desktops and switch between them, go to mission control by either doing a three finger swipe up on a trackpad or pressing control and the up arrow. Click the plus on the upper right to add as many desktops as you want. You can set up whatever shortcuts you want in the system preferences for switching between desktops or going to mission control.

  • @Liquidmantis said:
    A case of literal PEBCAK! :tongue:

    What is pebcak?

  • @mrufino1 said:

    @Liquidmantis said:
    A case of literal PEBCAK! :tongue:

    What is pebcak?

    “Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard.”

  • @Liquidmantis said:

    @mrufino1 said:

    @Liquidmantis said:
    A case of literal PEBCAK! :tongue:

    What is pebcak?

    “Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard.”

    Aha!

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  • edited January 2021

    @tja said:
    Another Random Stupid Question:

    For a Windows User, it really is annoying, that Applications (most? many? all?) simply don't get closed, when closing their window.

    The Apps remain running, just have no window anymore.
    Why, Apple?

    To close the Apps, I need to close them again, in the taskbar with the right mouse button and issue "Quit".

    Can "Close Window" somehow be configured to "Quit" the App instead?!?

    Unfortunately not; here you're encountering one of the fundamental clashes of mindset between the two systems where each brainwashes its users into thinking its way is the right way here. Mac users for their part find it absolutely insane that closing a window in a Windows app will automatically quit the app. (Why, Microsoft? If you want to close a window, you close the window. If you want to quit the app, you quit the app. These are two distinct operations which Microsoft has decided actively to encourage users to confuse…) There's no workaround, so best just to embrace it for now as an interesting alternative which you may even end up preferring (or which may just continue to drive you nuts).

    I'm really enjoying this thread, though. There's plenty about MacOS that fully deserves a well-informed kicking. In case you haven't already found it, the Activity Monitor app in Utilities is very useful for monitoring processes.

  • Use CMD-Q to fully terminate an app.

  • @tja said:
    Can "Close Window" somehow be configured to "Quit" the App instead?!?

    If you start writing your own apps and want them to terminate when you close the window then implement "applicationShouldTerminateAfterLastWindowClosed" on the app delegate and have it return true.

    As @Masanga said, it's just one of those things that are different. If you want an app to keep running without a window cluttering up your desktop then it's useful. For example Activity Monitor can use its icon to display various meters instead of having a window open.

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  • A couple of other semi-hidden power tools:

    • Apple -> About this Mac -> System Report gives you a sysinfo slash Device Manager listing.
    • The Console app lets you access logs and crash reports.
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  • edited January 2021

    @tja said:
    MacOS is a Unix operating system.
    And i used lots of different Unix operating systems: Silicon Graphics IRIX, HP UX, AIX, Solaris, several Linux distributions, ...

    NONE of them behaves like MacOS, not that I ever noticed!

    Well, MacOS has only been a Unix system for a little over half its life as an OS (since 2001); before that it was a proprietary system, long predating Windows, whose UI and its affordances were for obvious reasons carried over into the Unix-based version. Apple have been keeping apps running after all windows are closed since 1984, and are unlikely to change their behaviour now.

    And even after thinking about what you wrote, why would you want to close a window, but still have the application running?
    If you click on the icon again, a new window will be opened anyway!
    So for what did you want to close it?

    This is where the Windows behaviour seems as mad to any Mac user as the Mac behaviour does to Windows users. Consider the everyday use case of closing one document and opening another. On a Mac, you close the window you want to close and open a new one. On Windows, you either quit the app and then immediately have to relaunch it, or you open the new window, then switch windows to the one you don't even want any more, and close that. Life's too short…

  • @tja said:
    I often have the impression, that Apple does things different, just to not do them as others did them ... only for the purpose of being different.

    Oddly enough, that's exactly what Apple users have always said about Windows – particularly when it first launched…

  • @tja said:
    Another Random Feedback:

    As @SevenSystems already mentioned, it is very strange, that I need to first click into a window that currently has no focus, before being able to click any of it buttons.

    Well, the worst part of it is that it depends on where you click, as some UI elements apparently can be declared "receive-click-immediately". Try clicking around. Some elements will react to the first click! :D

  • edited January 2021

    @Masanga said:
    This is where the Windows behaviour seems as mad to any Mac user as the Mac behaviour does to Windows users. Consider the everyday use case of closing one document and opening another. On a Mac, you close the window you want to close and open a new one. On Windows, you either quit the app and then immediately have to relaunch it, or you open the new window, then switch windows to the one you don't even want any more, and close that. Life's too short…

    I can't remember the last time I used an application's "File" menu to open a file belonging to that application. I always open everything from a file manager or a shortcut in some kind of generic launcher or menu, so that makes your point a bit weak for that scenario... but yeah, maybe many people first open Word, and then navigate to their "Word documents" folder and look for the document.

    However, I think of file management as a completely separate, generic task that takes place in a specific application for that (like, Explorer in Windows or Dolphin in Plasma).

  • @SevenSystems said:

    @Masanga said:
    This is where the Windows behaviour seems as mad to any Mac user as the Mac behaviour does to Windows users. Consider the everyday use case of closing one document and opening another. On a Mac, you close the window you want to close and open a new one. On Windows, you either quit the app and then immediately have to relaunch it, or you open the new window, then switch windows to the one you don't even want any more, and close that. Life's too short…

    I can't remember the last time I used an application's "File" menu to open a file belonging to that application. I always open everything from a file manager or a shortcut in some kind of generic launcher or menu, so that makes your point a bit weak for that scenario... but yeah, maybe many people first open Word, and then navigate to their "Word documents" folder and look for the document.

    Well, I think @tja was talking about clicking on the close box. I've always assumed that everyone always did all this stuff from keyboard, but one of the fun things about this thread has been seeing how things that look completely normal and obvious to one person seem utterly mad to others…

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  • @tja said:
    Just to document this:

    I don't want to start a fight between Windows and MacOS, for sure!

    But, I hope that I can write down my impressions and some feedback, while trying to get used to MacOS :smile:

    I sure will have some problems and irritations :D

    Yes, bring it on! Nobody will take umbrage; Mac users are just as annoyed by MacOS as everyone else…

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