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Why is ambient super popular (for iOS Producers)?

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  • @rottencat said:
    I like ambient because it’s mostly boring.

    At my age, I don’t want any agitation.

    I was thinking exactly this, even if it was a joke.

    Half a lifetime ago I was energetic and excitable and into industrial and electronic rock and techno/trance. I still enjoy that occasionally but in general I have enough stress in my life that I don’t want to get hyped up listening to music, I need to settle TF down and chillax. Now I enjoy and make downtempo, trip-hop, wave, sometimes even ambient-adjacent.

    It’s even the same with my choice in video games. My kid is like ‘why don’t you try Dark Souls or Elden Ring?’ I get enough frustration and rage from work, family and the news, tyvm. :lol:

  • @HotStrange said:

    @Birdpie said:

    @Luxthor said:

    @klownshed said:

    @Luxthor said:
    The truth is that there is less mediocre ambient than any other more popular genre out there because of the statistics alone.

    "Mediocre Ambient" is my favourite genre.

    I have a strong background in visual art, and for me, there is no distinction in quality regarding the noise and sound. Noise is just like ‘desaturated’ color; it’s the fundamental part of any music genre.

    Only laymen can think that noise is not the sound and ambient music is not the music.

    i respect your opinion, mine is different.
    sorry🤷🏻‍♂️

    So your opinion is to call music that other musicians love and appreciate “not music”?

    I think it's all about personal interpretation really, much like that "taped banana" visual art piece called "Comedian". I don't consider the taped banana as art, but I can see the artistic merit behind it. I just wouldn't spent $150,000 on it when I can create that look myself for less than $5 at Aldi. Just...don't tell my landlord. 😂

  • @colorsinspace said:
    Those of you who don’t really listen to Ambient check out a band called Hammock.
    It’s just two guys. Here give this a listen and try to tell me it’s boring.

    Yeah, I've heard Hammock before on a drone video, like using it as background for a new drone ad. I was mesmerized.

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @Birdpie said:

    @Luxthor said:

    @klownshed said:

    @Luxthor said:
    The truth is that there is less mediocre ambient than any other more popular genre out there because of the statistics alone.

    "Mediocre Ambient" is my favourite genre.

    I have a strong background in visual art, and for me, there is no distinction in quality regarding the noise and sound. Noise is just like ‘desaturated’ color; it’s the fundamental part of any music genre.

    Only laymen can think that noise is not the sound and ambient music is not the music.

    i respect your opinion, mine is different.
    sorry🤷🏻‍♂️

    So your opinion is to call music that other musicians love and appreciate “not music”?

    I think it's all about personal interpretation really, much like that "taped banana" visual art piece called "Comedian". I don't consider the taped banana as art, but I can see the artistic merit behind it. I just wouldn't spent $150,000 on it when I can create that look myself for less than $5 at Aldi. Just...don't tell my landlord. 😂

    I hope your landlord wouldn’t kick you out for taping a banana to the wall but then again stranger things have happened 😆

  • @HotStrange said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @Birdpie said:

    @Luxthor said:

    @klownshed said:

    @Luxthor said:
    The truth is that there is less mediocre ambient than any other more popular genre out there because of the statistics alone.

    "Mediocre Ambient" is my favourite genre.

    I have a strong background in visual art, and for me, there is no distinction in quality regarding the noise and sound. Noise is just like ‘desaturated’ color; it’s the fundamental part of any music genre.

    Only laymen can think that noise is not the sound and ambient music is not the music.

    i respect your opinion, mine is different.
    sorry🤷🏻‍♂️

    So your opinion is to call music that other musicians love and appreciate “not music”?

    I think it's all about personal interpretation really, much like that "taped banana" visual art piece called "Comedian". I don't consider the taped banana as art, but I can see the artistic merit behind it. I just wouldn't spent $150,000 on it when I can create that look myself for less than $5 at Aldi. Just...don't tell my landlord. 😂

    I hope your landlord wouldn’t kick you out for taping a banana to the wall but then again stranger things have happened 😆

    No kidding lol! 😂🤣

  • edited September 2023

    this painting was sold for higest price in history - $140m dollars (in 2006). Just sayin'

    https://www.singulart.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/number-5.jpg

    i would say with abstract art also process of creation, context, is important. For example State Azure generative modular patches where he builds prch which then without touching generates 4 hours of interesting soundscapes and melodies - that is for sure proper art.

    I must admit i have problem with accepting banana glued with ductape as art 😂😂😂

  • Think this were the first ambient album I listened to but maybe ambient tracks before.

  • The Earths natural alarm clock.

  • @dendy said:
    I must admit i have problem with accepting banana glued with ductape as art 😂😂😂

    Because you're mixing craft with art, what’s the difference between aluminum polyethylene glued with polymer and iron oxide glued with linseed oil? Or organic arylide yellow pigment and banana organic yellow pigment. Art technique is also not art; it’s discipline at best. Just ask yourself: If someone chose the classic oil on canvas technique and photo-realistically painted that banana, would you consider it art? 😅

  • @HotStrange said:

    @colorsinspace said:

    @HotStrange said:
    I disagree with the general assessment that you don’t need any musical knowledge to make ambient. That’s just silly and hard to believe there are this many musicians in this thread actually saying that. Sure you can get an app like Autopad, press play and make “ambient” but to do it well on the level of someone like Eno is NOT something you can just do without any musical knowledge.

    Seems pretty disrespectful to fellow musicians having fun and creating things. It’s not much different than all the 70 year olds in YouTube comments saying EDM is nothing but “pressing play on a keyboard”. A little disheartening to see these comments honestly. Gonna avidly avoid this thread.

    Exactly. These people are clueless. I make strictly Ambient and spend hours on just sound design alone. I will agree that my music is never going to be played on a dance floor unless I start making “The Orb” type Ambient. I love their ambient- dub style of music.

    Yeah I think I just need to not visit this thread again. Hearing other musicians tell other musicians what they make and like isn’t real music is super disrespectful. It’s fine to not like it but so many people here saying you need no musical knowledge to make it and it’s not real music is baffling.

    I'd like to hear the kind of stuff these people are making. Good chance that, according to my taste, it would not rank well, no offense lol and just a conjecture.

  • @Luxthor
    If someone chose the classic oil on canvas technique and photo-realistically painted that banana, would you consider it art? 😅

    No. :-D

  • edited September 2023

    @dendy said:

    @Luxthor
    If someone chose the classic oil on canvas technique and photo-realistically painted that banana, would you consider it art? 😅

    No. :-D

    What about AI generated banana on a canvas

  • @ecou said:

    @dendy said:

    @Luxthor
    If someone chose the classic oil on canvas technique and photo-realistically painted that banana, would you consider it art? 😅

    No. :-D

    What about AI generated banana on a canvas

    oh, this looks interesting :D

  • @dendy said:
    this painting was sold for higest price in history - $140m dollars (in 2006). Just sayin'

    https://www.singulart.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/number-5.jpg

    The decline of infantilized and imbecilic society

  • @dendy said:

    @Luxthor
    If someone chose the classic oil on canvas technique and photo-realistically painted that banana, would you consider it art? 😅

    No. :-D

    My intention was to defend freedom of expression; that freaking banana can't do even that, haha! I give up. 😂

  • @OnfraySin said:

    @dendy said:
    this painting was sold for higest price in history - $140m dollars (in 2006). Just sayin'

    https://www.singulart.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/number-5.jpg

    The decline of infantilized and imbecilic society

    Nope, Jackson Pollock, one of greatest US painters.. it is good to know context. Abstract art is art too.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_Pollock

  • edited September 2023

    @Luxthor said:

    @dendy said:

    @Luxthor
    If someone chose the classic oil on canvas technique and photo-realistically painted that banana, would you consider it art? 😅

    No. :-D

    My intention was to defend freedom of expression; that freaking banana can't do even that, haha! I give up. 😂

    To be very clear, i never say about any art that it is "shit" and i totally accept freedom of expression .. i just always, in cases like this banana, say that i have problem accept it as art, but i am fully aware it is just my personal totally subjective opinion affected by lack of knowledge and understanding. I am just not that type of guy who will praise something just becasue other people do. I am always very straight about my opinions.

    People who in general say about any form of art that it is "shit", are saying nothing about that art, but more just about themselves. We have some examples in this thread :trollface:

  • edited September 2023

    @dendy said:
    Nope, Jackson Pollock, one of greatest US painters.. it is good to know context. Abstract art is art too.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_Pollock

    +US Paint dirtyer. Alcoholic to the limit.

    My three childs in a boring afternoon overpass any of this.

  • @dendy said:

    @ecou said:

    @dendy said:

    @Luxthor
    If someone chose the classic oil on canvas technique and photo-realistically painted that banana, would you consider it art? 😅

    No. :-D

    What about AI generated banana on a canvas

    oh, this looks interesting :D

    😂😂

    I am a art genius 😉

  • I see some people offended by others not considering ambient as music making.
    I personally don’t care if it’s music or a beautiful noise. I’d much rather listen to an evolving drone with interesting textures than to 99% of what’s considered music. I actually had to look up the definition of music… I’d say if we stick to the strict definition, some ambient will be music while other isn’t.
    According to the second definition you’d need melody and/or harmony, so a single note drone wouldn’t qualify.

  • @dendy said:

    @hghon said:

    @dendy said:

    For me ambient is literally what name say - “ambience” .. it’s the sound of enviroment (not necessary natural - it may be completely synthetic) and it’s purpose is not to entertaim you (so it also can’t bore you), but it’s purpose is to induce some mind of mood/state of mind in you during other activities you are making.

    State Azure blows my mind, I’m a huge fan.

    He amazing ... also Substan has some mind blowing amazing ambient/chillout content

    Thanks 👍 will do

  • Some people appreciate abstraction and the postmodern at least as much as, or even more than, figurative classicism. It’s a legitimate and serious progression of art that in no way diminishes - or even ignores - the merit of what came before, but is a push into new territories of experience. It is the opposite of decay.

    A lot of electronic musicians are attracted to the medium because we’re fascinated and even moved by the texture of sound itself, and by the strangeness of wrenching machinery to the purpose of music. This has been at the core of the art since its early days in computer and tape studios.

    Ambient is a natural, even inevitable consequence of all this. Is there amateur and bad ambient? Certainly, as in all media. But concentration and practice can produce compelling work.

  • @garden said:
    Some people appreciate abstraction and the postmodern at least as much as, or even more than, figurative classicism. It’s a legitimate and serious progression of art that in no way diminishes - or even ignores - the merit of what came before, but is a push into new territories of experience. It is the opposite of decay.

    A lot of electronic musicians are attracted to the medium because we’re fascinated and even moved by the texture of sound itself, and by the strangeness of wrenching machinery to the purpose of music. This has been at the core of the art since its early days in computer and tape studios.

    Ambient is a natural, even inevitable consequence of all this. Is there amateur and bad ambient? Certainly, as in all media. But concentration and practice can produce compelling work.

    Hear hear

  • @garden said:
    Some people appreciate abstraction and the postmodern at least as much as, or even more than, figurative classicism. It’s a legitimate and serious progression of art that in no way diminishes - or even ignores - the merit of what came before, but is a push into new territories of experience. It is the opposite of decay.

    A lot of electronic musicians are attracted to the medium because we’re fascinated and even moved by the texture of sound itself, and by the strangeness of wrenching machinery to the purpose of music. This has been at the core of the art since its early days in computer and tape studios.

    Ambient is a natural, even inevitable consequence of all this. Is there amateur and bad ambient? Certainly, as in all media. But concentration and practice can produce compelling work.

    Very well put 👍👍

  • edited September 2023

    @OnfraySin said:

    @dendy said:
    this painting was sold for higest price in history - $140m dollars (in 2006). Just sayin'

    https://www.singulart.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/number-5.jpg

    The decline of infantilized and imbecilic society

    The same could be said about this..
    But then, what a boring world we would be living in without chaos.

    (images: Napalm Death & Carl Cox)

  • @OnfraySin said:

    @dendy said:
    Nope, Jackson Pollock, one of greatest US painters.. it is good to know context. Abstract art is art too.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_Pollock

    +US Paint dirtyer. Alcoholic to the limit.

    My three childs in a boring afternoon overpass any of this.

    You know that some of these paintings are quite large and you’ve just reduced them all to pixilated postage stamps, right? In other words, your “proof” doesn’t support your argument. Have you ever seen any of these in real life? I have, and most of them are pretty amazing.

  • @Luxthor said:

    @Birdpie said:

    @Luxthor said:

    @klownshed said:

    @Luxthor said:
    The truth is that there is less mediocre ambient than any other more popular genre out there because of the statistics alone.

    "Mediocre Ambient" is my favourite genre.

    I have a strong background in visual art, and for me, there is no distinction in quality regarding the noise and sound. Noise is just like ‘desaturated’ color; it’s the fundamental part of any music genre.

    Only laymen can think that noise is not the sound and ambient music is not the music.

    i respect your opinion, mine is different.
    sorry🤷🏻‍♂️

    Neither is an opinion, but a pure fact. There is nothing to be sorry about. You are also free to think that the earth is flat, and you can be proud of it, not sorry. 😅

    “Noise is unwanted sound considered unpleasant, loud, or disruptive to hearing. From a physics standpoint, there is no distinction between noise and desired sound, as both are vibrations through a medium, such as air or water. The difference arises when the brain receives and perceives a sound.”

    “Ambient music is a genre of music that emphasizes tone and atmosphere over traditional musical structure or rhythm. It may lack net composition, beat, or structured melody.[5] It uses textural layers of sound that can reward both passive and active listening[6] and encourage a sense of calm or contemplation.[7][8] The genre is said to evoke an "atmospheric", "visual",[9] or "unobtrusive" quality.[10] Nature soundscapes may be included, and the sounds of acoustic instruments such as the piano, strings and flute may be emulated through a synthesizer.”

    how sweet 😘

  • @Luxthor said:

    Hahaha! 😂😂💀

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