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Why is ambient super popular (for iOS Producers)?
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wow .. i would love to see them IRL .. i found them fascinating.. would love to have “The Deep” in my livingroom :-)
😲 Do you have a Patreon???
It's the haunted spectral banana floating by a white picket fence. I title this AI piece "The Haunted Cynic". 😂🤣 Because I'm cynical and a bit of an absurdist with a wry "wise arsed" sense of humour.
No I don’t want to corrupt my art with filthy money.
Got any skins on you mate? 😂
Finally a sensible comment
Okay so your point is abstract art isn’t art and having an addiction makes you bad? What’s the point of your comment?
Those paintings look fantastic to me.
Gotta wonder why some people are so offended at anything beyond the status quo or challenges their worldview or perception at all.
Sheesh popped back in to see if it’s gotten better but nope, they just started pointing their comments towards paintings and abstract art instead 😂
Yeah it’s probably people that think WhiteSnake and Poison are the pinnacle of rock.
When I die I hope the angels greet me playing Tim Hecker
As an abstract artist I am often amazed at the ignorance of non-art people commenting on abstract art. It's absurd when they say a child could do this. Do you know a three year old who can navigate composition and color? Sure, a lot of abstract art is garbage, but that's true with any art. I'm interested in texture and composition. Why does it have to be sixteenth century realism to be considered art? This is a rather restrictive opinion. In fact, it displays ignorance of the history of art.
Yeah, it’s funny. I look at Jackson Pollock’s work and I just assume that people accept it as legit and then I go to this forum and there are a few people (maybe just one or two) who are really behind the times, like 75 years. It’s just a weird experience for me, if nothing else. It’s not a matter of liking something, either, because we all have our likes and dislikes. It’s this attitude that these paintings are somehow fraudulent. I had thought these attitudes were dead but it’s like my grandma is alive and well (and I’m 60!).
I agree wholeheartedly. There’s something special about the emotion put into abstract art or music. I guess since it’s not straightforward and explaining itself to you it relies more on the emotion and feeling you get from it and that’s amazing to me.
What’s weird about this whole thread is half the comments here (or more probably) are supposed fellow musicians and artists that are just downplaying an entire subset of art as nothing. That’s like going on a car forum and saying Toyotas aren’t real cars lol i genuinely don’t understand.
As @ALB said, some of these comments are a solid 75-100 years behind the times. Experimental electronic music/ambient has been around since Raymond Scott’s early tinkering in the 50s and probably before then. Are these people also gonna say score music isn’t real music? A lot of relies heavily on drones and ambience. I don’t get it.
+1 on this, and likewise +1 on @garden ’s post further back.
I’ve been reading this thread over the last couple of days but keeping quiet as I’m not sure it’s good for my health and well-being… however…
I find it really sad that there are such closed minds still around. Doubly so, as one of the side effects (for me) of being in this forum has been that my respect for makers of a wide variety of genres has hugely increased, even if the music isn’t really my cup of tea. And I’ve benefited greatly from that, and in some cases taken inspiration from it, and it’s helped move my own music forward in often unexpected ways.
I don’t think much of my current output counts as ambient, really, though I’ve produced a whole lot of stuff that probably fits in that category over the past two or three years. And if people ask me what kind of music I make I’ve been known to reply “experimental ambient” for want of a better way of putting it.
Like I said, I’m not sure much of it is ambient, and I’m also not sure much of it is that experimental as the techniques etc are pretty well established. But it is largely abstract, and increasingly improvisational, and I’m absolutely fine with people not liking it. What I’m NOT fine with is people trying to claim it’s somehow invalid simply because they don’t like it. And denigrating it because it doesn’t fit in whatever box they’ve created in their heads where they put what they find acceptable.
I tend to go with Varèse’s definition of music as organised sound, and I was gobsmacked when someone mentioned his name in relation to one of my pieces. Made my day. And no, I don’t think my stuff is in the same league, or even close, in case anyone thinks my head has swelled to ludicrous proportions. But as Varèse is someone whose work I’ve admired for decades, lovely.
As for visual art, one of my first peak experiences with a painting was a huge canvas I saw in my early teens in Manchester City Art Gallery, I think it was part of a temporary exhibition, and I don’t know the name of the artist or the title of the piece, but it was a huge expanse of bright green with a few different coloured semicircles floating in it, and I was transfixed. It filled your field of view, and the semicircles seemed to move after you’d looked at it for a while. Made a huge impression on me, much more so than many more “normal” paintings, and led to a love of abstract art in general, likewise sculpture. Rembrandt and Michaelangelo are great, but I prefer Bridget Riley and Barbara Hepworth. YMMV.
This is an interesting topic, with a lot of mileage for discussion.
I think that people's attitudes to art / music have several components. For example, taste, how wide their exposure to art and music has been, how well informed they are about the history of art / music, how much they have reflected on issues of meaning and aesthetics, and so on...
I don't really get annoyed by some of the negative opinions towards ambient or abstract art here. I mean, the opinions of people like this are seriously water off a duck's back to me, because, like I said, it's highly likely that I would not like the stuff they're into, so I don't really value their opinions. These opinions do not strike me as informed but hey, it's only music. If I reflect on it though, I suppose there is potential room for sadness, as I suspect the opinions of such people towards other more important aspects of life like climate, politics or economics would also be different from mine, and of course in these areas I think that my views are better than those of the people who hold opposing views.
Now, taste is another thing altogether. If people don't like ambient just because it doesn't fit their taste, that's fine. Taste is highly subjective, and at least partly conditioned by our environment, particularly perhaps what we were exposed to as kids / teens.
So, I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I don't mind if people don't like something, but I do differentiate between whether their dislike is based on mere taste or whether it is based on thoughtful and informed consideration. Opinions are fine, but ignorant opinions - much less so.
By the way, I think I remember that someone mentioned earlier that they thought the OP wanted to have poke fun at ambient, or denigrate it in some way, is that right? I just want to throw in my 2 cents that, having gone back and read the original comment, I don't see any criticism of ambient in the original post. More likely it was a genuine question. This forum does lean towards the ambient more than you would expect to find in a polling sample of random people, and that is a question very much worth exploring.
I am definitely a fan of abstract art, from Jackson Pollock to Matisse and the like. I love those mesmerising works of art. Sure there's amateur art in any form, whether representational or abstract, traditional or digital, Classical or Modern, etc. However, we all have to start from somewhere.
While my kneejerk reaction to "Comedian" was "this is juvenile and low-effort", I'm starting to see how a simple duct-taped banana could be considered a form of art. It's still a bit goofy to me personally, but after some careful thought, I can understand the artistic merit and thought behind it now. Then again, maybe that is the point of "Comedian", to be a bit silly and playful rather than be taken too seriously, and in that sense, it definitely has its charm and merits. I can appreciate the idea for what it is. And it IS a rather daring, bold move to display that in an art gallery, and in that sense, is it any wonder why people flocked to see it?
I'm starting to understand that art like "Comedian" is meant to make a bold statement, shake up the establishment, and to confuse and even upset some people. (I know "Immersion" (Piss Christ) infuriated a majority of the religious establishment back in the 80s. 😂 I love Serrano for that, lol.)
This is starting to remind me of my days at Uni back in the early to mid 00s where I first heard Experimental music, Noise music, Musique Concrete, etc, and I used to hate it with a passion, especially since that's what I had to make to earn a grade. My thinking - "That's not music. It's rubbish!" See, I was into Eurodance, Trance, House, Hands-Up, HipHop especially, etc.
But then I started doing those assignments, first by just putting random sounds together and randomly assigning some meaning to it all as a joke, but then by becoming determined to understand why such seemingly random sounds and noise have artistic merit. Even my amateur efforts at Experimental Music garnered me high marks and praise. And yet, I swore I'd never bother with Experimental Music again after graduating uni.
Then a few years ago (I think it was 2016) I listened to Brian Eno's "Music for Airports", and I started to crave Ambient music as it was soothing and calming. Then I started diving deeper into the Ambient genre and started listening to the likes of David Lynch, and it fascinated me. Then I had a thought - revisit the likes of Stockhausen and Pierre Schaeffer and see what I think. And it blew my mind at how ignorant I was towards Experimental Music, and I wanted to learn about it more far beyond what I learned about it in uni. And dig deep I did.
And while I still like to produce beat-based genres (especially Lofi and classic House) and music with "pleasing aesthetics", I also get a thrill out of making Experimental, Ambient, and now diving into Noise Music.
Bottom line - it sounds rather dumb and cheesy for me to say it, but I am really inspired to dig deep and double down on making more Experimental Music and Noise Music now more than ever, thanks to attempting to understand and wrap my brain around the artistic merit behind a simple banana duct-taped to a wall. And maybe that is the point of "Comedian" to be honest. Not the work itself, but the meaning behind it! The spirit behind it.
@Gavinski Taste is so subjective and there’s really no right or wrong there, I agree. And it probably should be water off a ducks back to me as well. But as someone who’s loved and made experimental music for a long time, have close friends that make it, and see people post it here quite often, it irks me to see opinions like that especially coming from other “musicians”. Even if simply for the fact that it may drive the experimentalists away or discourage them from posting. I mean now every time one of us posts an experimental or ambient work there will be the stark realization that half of this forum won’t even view it was real music. A bit disheartening to say the list.
@bygjohn of course I agree with you but just wanna say I hope their opinions don’t discourage you from posting here. I’ve really enjoyed everything you’ve shared so far!
@jwmmakerofmusic there is definitely a thrill to making it. It really makes me feel alive, as cheesy as that sounds. Also check out Raymond Scott if you haven’t. He was an electronic music pioneer and made a lot of his own synths from old test equipment and has been hugely influential on everything that followed. BBCs radiophonic workshop as well. Their early tape experiments are mind blowing considering the time it took place.
Eh, I say us experimentalists should double down and post more of our brand of music as a sonic middle finger to the naysayers. Yeah that's rather immature of me to say, but I as I said above, if understanding a duct-taped banana taught me anything, art often comes from a place of rebellion.
I second this @bygjohn
I'll definitely check out Raymond Scott tomorrow if I'm not recording the noises around the auto repair shop into Koala for Experimental fodder. 🤣
This! 👆 💯
Lemme know your thoughts! Especially Manhattan Research Inc. the songs are very short so it’s quickly and easily digestible. Also a lot of the tracks were used in Looney Toons episodes many years later so you’ll likely recognize some of you watched those cartoons a lot as a kid. I was obsessed with them lol
Also I mentioned them earlier but check out The Commercial Album by the Residents. Every song is 1 minute long so it’s a breeze to sit through. But it’s been very inspiring to me over the years.
And to your first point, I agree. I don’t think it’s childish either. It’s fun to rebel 😂
Yes it is lol. All in the spirit of fun! And I'll definitely check out those recommendations.
'half of this forum won't view it as real music'? Was there a poll 😂? There have been a handful of negative comments here. But yeah, it wouldn't surprise me tbh if half the people here didn't really like ambient and experimental stuff. Tbh, half the people here liking experimental stuff would be huge, when you compare that to the impression that looking at the billboard top 100 would give you.
Carelessly or maliciously thrown criticism can be hurtful. But people not liking stuff... I genuinely have zero problem with that! I don't like the vast majority of music I hear around me, tbh, including a fair bit that gets posted here. Again, that's just taste.
And I think it could be argued that people who regard themselves as having 'good' taste would generally consider it actually important that the majority of people don't like or understand what they're into. Taste is the poor man's money, so to speak, which is probably one reason why teenage boys especially are heavily invested in their musical taste, or at least were 'when I were a lad' 😂.
And as Woody Allen said, why would you want to be part of any club that would have you as a member.
I'm happy that some people like what I like. Not much fun in being a gang of one. But I'm even happier that most people don't! In a society full of stupidity, greed etc, why would I want my tastes to align with the majority? I would rather wear the disdain some people have for ambient and experimental music as a badge of honour. We know we're the cool ones, right? 😂 😎
Yes!! Hahahahahah
excellent piece of art
If people don’t think what you’re doing is music, if they don’t understand it, you’re probably doing something interesting, challenging.
On the other hand no one doubts that boring-ass, mass-produced, made-for-5-year-olds, repetitive and unimaginative songs are music.
The reactions always speak for themselves. You don't have to embarrass anyone, they do it themselves.
Indeed lol
there are even people here not knowing what a phase switch does, but doing youtube tutorials about sound.
how much more ridiculous can it get?