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  • edited March 2021
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  • @BCKeys said:

    @FloRi89 said:
    You are focusing on the wrong things here. "Highest possible sound quality" isn't the deciding factor, it's efficency when working.

    Let's take another example. LumaFusion is a very good video editor. For the price it offers insane value and you can create professional videos with it. There is one catch though, no matter how proficient you are in LumaFusion, a good editor in Premiere or FinalCut will do the work in way less time.

    As for now, the desktop world is just way more efficient. I used to cut videos for work in Premiere, for my little YouTube Channel I do it now in LumaFusion. At least 50% of the stuff I need to do manually in Luma Fusion I would automate in Premiere.

    That's not relevant for me though, since I'm making short fun video for a channel with 30 subscribers. No way I would use this in a professional environment though. And this is just the same in the audio world. On a professional level you need to work fast and efficient. As of now, desktop computers are still better when it comes to that.

    Also apart from that, things aren't mutually exclusive. You can create something on iOS having all the benefits and then bring it into a desktop DAW for mastering. Who is telling you to do only one or the other?

    That's right but here we are talking about music as amateurs?
    It goes without saying that the day I need a pro result, the iDevice/Desktop question won't arise because I'll rent the services of a real pro studio instead.

    «On a professional level you need to work fast and efficient. As of now, desktop computers are still better when it comes to that. »

    Still in an amateur context, I am not that sure that the desktop is faster (out of CPU/RAM questions of course). Portability, touchscreen, in my case I feel much more efficient and productive than before. And so free to move ! 🙂 Well, I must also specify that I attach a lot of importance to the ease of use, I use very few apps and I do not hesitate to delete an app if I find it counterproductive, whatever its price.

    Same for me, that's why I'm on the plattform. Also that's the reason why I use LumaFusion, because I can just sit on the couch, iPad on my lap and cut my videos. I just wanted to make clear that it's not the audio quality that will determine on what plattform you work, more surrounding factors.

  • dawless sounds ok too.

  • Tools, apps, sounds are secondary.

    Your ability to perform and produce melodious music is what matters the most and makes all the difference. You may be having the best sounding/featured instruments but if your music is lousy... There is a lot of noise on SoundCloud.

  • edited March 2021

    @JoyceRoadStudios said:
    Can your desktop touchscreen patch and wire modulars a la Drambo or MiRack? Can it be a touchscreen Rhodes or an 808? Can it be a “tactile” mixer with sliders? Can your desktop do literally anything without a mouse and keyboard, and supplementary hardware? Are you gonna travel with all of that?

    iOS apps can now run on Macs. If only Apple makes Macs touchscreen...

    Surface is a good design but ...

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  • edited March 2021

    @MobileMusic said:

    @JoyceRoadStudios said:
    Can your desktop touchscreen patch and wire modulars a la Drambo or MiRack? Can it be a touchscreen Rhodes or an 808? Can it be a “tactile” mixer with sliders? Can your desktop do literally anything without a mouse and keyboard, and supplementary hardware? Are you gonna travel with all of that?

    iOS apps can now run on Macs. If only Apple makes Macs touchscreen...

    Surface is a good design but ...

    That’s cool if you already own a Mac, but I’m not gonna buy one just so that I can run apps. I understand that in a scenario where you already own thousands of dollars of apps that are now Mac compatible, and you happen to have one. I also don’t see Macs going touchscreen since that would defeat the purpose of an iPad and also ruin its sales numbers. An iPad is a home studio and a mobile studio and an instrument. Unfortunately you have the issue with the single port and no headphone jack on the newer models, but compensating for that simply involves researching and buying the exact audio interface for your needs.

    Of course I understand the appeal of an iMac for a studio musician, when you consider the possibilities. But it’s not mobile. And a MacBook Pro has fan noise. The point is inspiration, and an iPad inspires in so many ways. And sound quality, an iPad offers the same fidelity, bit and sample rate, and the same connectivity within a home studio scenario.

    I think I have an aversion to keyboards and mouses anyway. So I’m biased.

  • @JoyceRoadStudios said:

    @MobileMusic said:

    @JoyceRoadStudios said:
    Can your desktop touchscreen patch and wire modulars a la Drambo or MiRack? Can it be a touchscreen Rhodes or an 808? Can it be a “tactile” mixer with sliders? Can your desktop do literally anything without a mouse and keyboard, and supplementary hardware? Are you gonna travel with all of that?

    iOS apps can now run on Macs. If only Apple makes Macs touchscreen...

    Surface is a good design but ...

    That’s cool if you already own a Mac, but I’m not gonna buy one just so that I can run apps. I understand that in a scenario where you already own thousands of dollars of apps that are now Mac compatible, and you happen to have one. I also don’t see Macs going touchscreen since that would defeat the purpose of an iPad and also ruin its sales numbers. An iPad is a home studio and a mobile studio and an instrument. Unfortunately you have the issue with the single port and no headphone jack on the newer models, but compensating for that simply involves researching and buying the exact audio interface for your needs.

    Of course I understand the appeal of an iMac for a studio musician, when you consider the possibilities. But it’s not mobile. And a MacBook Pro has fan noise. The point is inspiration, and an iPad inspires in so many ways. And sound quality, an iPad offers the same fidelity, bit and sample rate, and the same connectivity within a home studio scenario.

    I think I have an aversion to keyboards and mouses anyway. So I’m biased.

    I was suggesting a Surface-like design for Macs with detachable keyboards that would turn them into tablets with raw power.

    Apple doesn’t care about defeating sales of their other devices - they had already cannibalized Macs by introducing iPads. If they did not launch the iPad, some other competitor would have launched it and eaten their lunch.

  • I see that AppleBot is crawling my website and indexing content hundreds of times a day (just like GoogleBot, BingBot, etc) and maybe I should write more articles so they take note of the suggestions of iOS musicians haha :smiley:

  • @MobileMusic said:

    @JoyceRoadStudios said:

    @MobileMusic said:

    @JoyceRoadStudios said:
    Can your desktop touchscreen patch and wire modulars a la Drambo or MiRack? Can it be a touchscreen Rhodes or an 808? Can it be a “tactile” mixer with sliders? Can your desktop do literally anything without a mouse and keyboard, and supplementary hardware? Are you gonna travel with all of that?

    iOS apps can now run on Macs. If only Apple makes Macs touchscreen...

    Surface is a good design but ...

    That’s cool if you already own a Mac, but I’m not gonna buy one just so that I can run apps. I understand that in a scenario where you already own thousands of dollars of apps that are now Mac compatible, and you happen to have one. I also don’t see Macs going touchscreen since that would defeat the purpose of an iPad and also ruin its sales numbers. An iPad is a home studio and a mobile studio and an instrument. Unfortunately you have the issue with the single port and no headphone jack on the newer models, but compensating for that simply involves researching and buying the exact audio interface for your needs.

    Of course I understand the appeal of an iMac for a studio musician, when you consider the possibilities. But it’s not mobile. And a MacBook Pro has fan noise. The point is inspiration, and an iPad inspires in so many ways. And sound quality, an iPad offers the same fidelity, bit and sample rate, and the same connectivity within a home studio scenario.

    I think I have an aversion to keyboards and mouses anyway. So I’m biased.

    I was suggesting a Surface-like design for Macs with detachable keyboards that would turn them into tablets with raw power.

    Apple doesn’t care about defeating sales of their other devices - they had already cannibalized Macs by introducing iPads. If they did not launch the iPad, some other competitor would have launched it and eaten their lunch.

    I understand, so like an iPad with the magic keyboard except it’s a Mac with multiple ports and more raw power, plus you get a real DAW and access to apps. Sure that would be cool, but even cooler if the great desktop only software was then also pivoted to include touchscreen functionality.

  • rcfrcf
    edited March 2021

    I wonder if anyone ever dared to tell Neil Young that his 'A Letter Home' album, recorded in a Voice-O-Graph phone booth, might have sounded better if it had been recorded in a 'proper' studio... or indeed, even on an iPad. ;)

  • @JoyceRoadStudios said:

    @MobileMusic said:

    @JoyceRoadStudios said:

    @MobileMusic said:

    @JoyceRoadStudios said:
    Can your desktop touchscreen patch and wire modulars a la Drambo or MiRack? Can it be a touchscreen Rhodes or an 808? Can it be a “tactile” mixer with sliders? Can your desktop do literally anything without a mouse and keyboard, and supplementary hardware? Are you gonna travel with all of that?

    iOS apps can now run on Macs. If only Apple makes Macs touchscreen...

    Surface is a good design but ...

    That’s cool if you already own a Mac, but I’m not gonna buy one just so that I can run apps. I understand that in a scenario where you already own thousands of dollars of apps that are now Mac compatible, and you happen to have one. I also don’t see Macs going touchscreen since that would defeat the purpose of an iPad and also ruin its sales numbers. An iPad is a home studio and a mobile studio and an instrument. Unfortunately you have the issue with the single port and no headphone jack on the newer models, but compensating for that simply involves researching and buying the exact audio interface for your needs.

    Of course I understand the appeal of an iMac for a studio musician, when you consider the possibilities. But it’s not mobile. And a MacBook Pro has fan noise. The point is inspiration, and an iPad inspires in so many ways. And sound quality, an iPad offers the same fidelity, bit and sample rate, and the same connectivity within a home studio scenario.

    I think I have an aversion to keyboards and mouses anyway. So I’m biased.

    I was suggesting a Surface-like design for Macs with detachable keyboards that would turn them into tablets with raw power.

    Apple doesn’t care about defeating sales of their other devices - they had already cannibalized Macs by introducing iPads. If they did not launch the iPad, some other competitor would have launched it and eaten their lunch.

    I understand, so like an iPad with the magic keyboard except it’s a Mac with multiple ports and more raw power, plus you get a real DAW and access to apps. Sure that would be cool, but even cooler if the great desktop only software was then also pivoted to include touchscreen functionality.

    Yes, if they adopt Surface-like design for Macs, all apps will be touch friendly because Macs will turn into touch tablets.

  • I’ve been iOS-only for over a year now and the only thing I miss is having enough memory to sufficiently engineer my audio files in GarageBand and accurately export them. There are lingering issues with many apps loading properly so they show up in the final export. I’ve mentioned this to a number of app devs.

  • edited March 2021

    What makes me choose ios is the insane price difference in plugins. Which results in a mucher easier testing of apps.
    Seriously for the exact same plugins I have on ios I would have paid several thousand of euros.
    In the area of sound quality there is basically no difference. You have a quality option in almost every plugin area.

    Fabfilter
    Synthmaster
    Mixbox
    Just to name a view

    And then there a so many talented ios only devs which provides unique tools.

    Only thing I miss is a quality pitch shifting plugin like realtune or melodyne. Besides that there is a quality substitute for almost everything. I really hope, that someone finally provides this option. Would literally pay a shit tone for a good quality pitch shifter...

  • wimwim
    edited March 2021

    Indeed. Paying 1/10th the price of desktop plugins is Quality/Inspiring for me. :D
    No way I would invest in the number of quality, inspiring, plugins I have on iOS at desktop prices. So, the quality and inspiration from desktop apps is pretty near zero for me.

  • I think the OP’s done a runner...

  • @Jusch1995 said:
    What makes me choose ios is the insane price difference in plugins. Which results in a mucher easier testing of apps.
    Seriously for the exact same plugins I have on ios I would have paid several thousand of euros.
    In the area of sound quality there is basically no difference. You have a quality option in almost every plugin area.

    Fabfilter
    Synthmaster
    Mixbox
    Just to name a view

    And then there a so many talented ios only devs which provides unique tools.

    Only thing I miss is a quality pitch shifting plugin like realtune or melodyne. Besides that there is a quality substitute for almost everything. I really hope, that someone finally provides this option. Would literally pay a shit tone for a good quality pitch shifter...

    Well said. iOS as a production tool has helped me hugely increase my output. iPad Pro literally is the next step in computing for me.

  • I prefer desktop but only when it is in the next room plugged into Maschine.

  • edited March 2021

    Neither...i prefer a laptop/notebook.
    Never ever used a desktop in the last 25 years and never want to.
    The reason i prefer it over iOS is simple. The workflow is much faster for me there and also there is not one tool on iOS yet i most use.
    But i still use both (but iOS get used rarely these days sadly).
    If they announce the next gen iPad Pro with Logic Pro it might change.

  • edited March 2021

    @Clueless said:
    Neither...i prefer a laptop/notebook.

    I think that is typically the same thing on this thread / forum.

  • @AudioGus said:

    @Clueless said:
    Neither...i prefer a laptop/notebook.

    I think that is typically the same thing on this thread / forum.

    Maybe but for me it is like iPhone vs. iPad.
    Of course this is my workflow but a laptop is at the moment just the (nearly) perfect workhouse if I want to have all the tools I like, a powerful environment for complex things and a full blown DAW plus it is still nearly as mobile as a big iPad. For me it is quite the same and I have to connect even less hardware to use my tools. Most of the time I just use one single device, my MacBook while with an iPad only I often would like to use an audio interface or midi keyboard etc.
    It also is ready to go in a few seconds like iPads.
    But indeed I would hate to use a desktop with mouse and all the place it needs. I mean mobile means for me I take it from one room into another or could take it with me if I need. This works all fine with a 13" MacBook. In the past I used a 15" and wanted a 16" but now I prefer the smaller form factor but still having all the bells and whistles I need.
    I also adopted all the ways it offers like using the Touch Bar as midi controller via the genius midi Touch Bar or the trackpad as MPE controller via apps like AudioSwift which almost gives me all the multi-touch I need.
    Often it is of course better to have direct on screen controls and such but mostly I prefer to rely on muscle memory and have all the screen space for editing and/or the DAW, Sequencer.
    There are many ways to achieve a goal and as long as people are happy they should use what they think works best for them.
    More then 10 years ago I also started with just iOS and an iPhone 4 and it evolved to iPads and finally to a MacBook where it felt like I evolved too and now it is just a matter of my workflow which would not be possible now on an iPad for me and also the tools I want are not there (yet).
    Also I think these days it anyway all mixed up since sometimes you also get the same tools or people importing things from desktop tools into iOS apps and call it a day. The days with the label "all made on iOS" makes just no reason. Just let the music speaks for itself. The future looks bright for music tools and I still see some innovations happening. They just are rare to find.

  • @Clueless said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Clueless said:
    Neither...i prefer a laptop/notebook.

    I think that is typically the same thing on this thread / forum.

    Maybe but for me it is like iPhone vs. iPad.

    I mean just looking at the context of the original post by the OP and thread title. They use ‘desktop’ and ‘laptop’ synonymously.

  • @Clueless said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Clueless said:
    Neither...i prefer a laptop/notebook.

    I think that is typically the same thing on this thread / forum.

    Maybe but for me it is like iPhone vs. iPad.
    Of course this is my workflow but a laptop is at the moment just the (nearly) perfect workhouse if I want to have all the tools I like, a powerful environment for complex things and a full blown DAW plus it is still nearly as mobile as a big iPad. For me it is quite the same and I have to connect even less hardware to use my tools. Most of the time I just use one single device, my MacBook while with an iPad only I often would like to use an audio interface or midi keyboard etc.
    It also is ready to go in a few seconds like iPads.
    But indeed I would hate to use a desktop with mouse and all the place it needs. I mean mobile means for me I take it from one room into another or could take it with me if I need. This works all fine with a 13" MacBook. In the past I used a 15" and wanted a 16" but now I prefer the smaller form factor but still having all the bells and whistles I need.
    I also adopted all the ways it offers like using the Touch Bar as midi controller via the genius midi Touch Bar or the trackpad as MPE controller via apps like AudioSwift which almost gives me all the multi-touch I need.
    Often it is of course better to have direct on screen controls and such but mostly I prefer to rely on muscle memory and have all the screen space for editing and/or the DAW, Sequencer.
    There are many ways to achieve a goal and as long as people are happy they should use what they think works best for them.
    More then 10 years ago I also started with just iOS and an iPhone 4 and it evolved to iPads and finally to a MacBook where it felt like I evolved too and now it is just a matter of my workflow which would not be possible now on an iPad for me and also the tools I want are not there (yet).
    Also I think these days it anyway all mixed up since sometimes you also get the same tools or people importing things from desktop tools into iOS apps and call it a day. The days with the label "all made on iOS" makes just no reason. Just let the music speaks for itself. The future looks bright for music tools and I still see some innovations happening. They just are rare to find.

    For me iOS wasn’t about portability (for that, yes, I would go laptop) but rather mobility: what I could use while walking around without sitting etc.

  • heshes
    edited March 2021

    @AudioGus said:

    @Clueless said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Clueless said:
    Neither...i prefer a laptop/notebook.

    I think that is typically the same thing on this thread / forum.

    Maybe but for me it is like iPhone vs. iPad.

    I mean just looking at the context of the original post by the OP and thread title. They use ‘desktop’ and ‘laptop’ synonymously.

    Yes, OP did and many people do. But there's a big difference between desktops and laptops. I can use my laptop on the couch (a point frequently made in favor of iOS vs desktops). I can use my laptop (in non-covid times) at the coffee shop. My M1 MacBook has far better battery life than my iPad. I prefer iOS for most music stuff, but laptops have important advantages over desktops, too.

    Laptops run the same software as desktops, so the points made re: price of apps on iOS vs desktop/laptop are valid. But that point is tempered somewhat by the fact that there is also a ton of excellent software available for desktop/laptops that costs nothing, is free. I think it wouldn't be hard for a person to assemble quite an extensive library of excellent free (usually open source) music production software on MacOS, Windows, or Linux. I think there's probably good free software on Mac/Win/Linux for just about every niche of music production apps.

  • edited March 2021

    @hes said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Clueless said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Clueless said:
    Neither...i prefer a laptop/notebook.

    I think that is typically the same thing on this thread / forum.

    Maybe but for me it is like iPhone vs. iPad.

    I mean just looking at the context of the original post by the OP and thread title. They use ‘desktop’ and ‘laptop’ synonymously.

    Yes, OP did and many people do. But there's a big difference between desktops and laptops. I can use my laptop on the couch (a point frequently made in favor of iOS vs desktops). I can use my laptop (in non-covid times) at the coffee shop. My M1 MacBook has far better battery life than my iPad. I prefer iOS for most music stuff, but laptops have important advantages over desktops, too.

    I use my desktop (tower) on the couch with a touchscreen monitor. Never assume! ;)

  • @AudioGus said:

    @hes said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Clueless said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Clueless said:
    Neither...i prefer a laptop/notebook.

    I think that is typically the same thing on this thread / forum.

    Maybe but for me it is like iPhone vs. iPad.

    I mean just looking at the context of the original post by the OP and thread title. They use ‘desktop’ and ‘laptop’ synonymously.

    Yes, OP did and many people do. But there's a big difference between desktops and laptops. I can use my laptop on the couch (a point frequently made in favor of iOS vs desktops). I can use my laptop (in non-covid times) at the coffee shop. My M1 MacBook has far better battery life than my iPad. I prefer iOS for most music stuff, but laptops have important advantages over desktops, too.

    I use my desktop (tower) on the couch with a touchscreen monitor. Never assume! ;)

    Yeah, install VNC app on an iPad and you could use your desktop on an iPad. Walk around with it. I'm sure that would work for some use cases. Using desktop apps without a physical keyboard, though, is not usually a fun combination.

  • edited March 2021

    @hes said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @hes said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Clueless said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Clueless said:
    Neither...i prefer a laptop/notebook.

    I think that is typically the same thing on this thread / forum.

    Maybe but for me it is like iPhone vs. iPad.

    I mean just looking at the context of the original post by the OP and thread title. They use ‘desktop’ and ‘laptop’ synonymously.

    Yes, OP did and many people do. But there's a big difference between desktops and laptops. I can use my laptop on the couch (a point frequently made in favor of iOS vs desktops). I can use my laptop (in non-covid times) at the coffee shop. My M1 MacBook has far better battery life than my iPad. I prefer iOS for most music stuff, but laptops have important advantages over desktops, too.

    I use my desktop (tower) on the couch with a touchscreen monitor. Never assume! ;)

    Yeah, install VNC app on an iPad and you could use your desktop on an iPad.

    I have done that (only in home wifi range) but the lag is horrid. I used Duet for a bit and it was better but not great.

    Walk around with it. I'm sure that would work for some use cases. Using desktop apps >without a physical keyboard, though, is not usually a fun combination.

    Yah not ussualy. The Maschine software is the only one I have used that is pretty good as touch, although there are a couple windows quirks that hamper it. Apparently Bitwig can be configured to be sweet. Combined with an actual Maschine using a touchscreen monitor is better than any ipad experience I have had... although NS2 running NI Massive would be life changing. So yah... it kind of does largely come down to the sound library potential for me.

  • After using iOS for the past couple of years I can’t go back to full time desktop, especially when I am already using it for work all day. I just wish we had maschine software/hardware like integration on the iPad

  • Just saying, I think ‘state capture +’ on the iPad.. will give Desktop a run for its money...

  • @darryshan said:
    After using iOS for the past couple of years I can’t go back to full time desktop, especially when I am already using it for work all day. I just wish we had maschine software/hardware like integration on the iPad

    After first being exposed to room-sized computers at my local university in my early years and then 40+ years of dealing with home and office computers and all of their complications, I am done with computers that cannot fold up and go wherever, whenever I want.

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