Atom | Piano Roll 2 is now available

mbncp

It's funny, I'm not crazy about positive(standard) swing, but negative swings really adds something to my recordings, nice

In a "I really love ... BUT .. " mood..
I'm not speaking about repeat or slice mode, but why not combine select and pencil mode. If I move my finger left or right, add a note (btw I love to be able to draw a note starting at the end), makes senses, but if I start moving my finger up or down, it would automatically go to selection mode. That's a while I'm thinking about it and can't find a reason why not .. ?

It would be exactly like the pencil mode, but start the selection mode if my "rectangle" y size is n times bigger than the x size, and then it would stay in selection mode until I release my finger.

blueveek

@mbncp Did you know that a long press will start a marquee selection no matter what tool is selected? (it will be covered in the upcoming manual, along with a ton of other hidden gestures).

ipadbeatmaking

@blueveek when is 2.0.4 due for release?

blueveek

@ipadbeatmaking said:
@blueveek when is 2.0.4 due for release?

It's under review.

mbncp

@blueveek said:
@mbncp Did you know that a long press will start a marquee selection no matter what tool is selected? (it will be covered in the upcoming manual, along with a ton of other hidden gestures)

it, I totally missed that one

blueveek

@zah said:

@blueveek said:

@zah said:

@zah said:

@wim said:

@zah said:
How do I create a gap (or a slight overlay) between a bunch of selected quantized notes?

Bake in the quantize, then turn quantize off and make your adjustments to the note length?

@tk32 said:
Two quick methods for you both, @zah and @wim

1. Turn off grid snap and resize the group manually from the right edge ... OR...
2. Apply quantise with 'note durations' enabled and set it to the next size down in grid divisions.

Thanks guys. With Atom2 I feel like I'm learning how to add and subtract, and you guys are doing quantum physics. Looking forward to a manual for this thing so I can try to catch up to you somewhat.

Is there a way to increase the length of each note in a sequence so that they butt up against the next midi note regardless of its quantized size . If no, then @blueveek , is that an easy addition to Atom2?

The upcoming swing panel will be a step in that direction. Specifically for the example you gave earlier, you can use the swing timing and duration sliders to nudge the notes forward, or shorten their duration, so they "butt up against one another". For general-purpose quantizing, it's not implemented yet, but I think this is a great idea.

@blueveek If I understand what you are saying about using swing and duration timing, I can get some notes (in a selection) close so that they butt up against the next, but then some notes overlap the next and some are far shorter. (depending on how inconsistent/crappy my playing was...)

If I could highlight a sequence of quantized notes, and then have Atom2 fill in the notes so on the timeline they are against the next quantized note, and then nudge all those notes on the duration slider either way - that would be so useful. (I hope that is what you meant!)

Honestly, I feel that Atom2 is two programs. Everyone seems to be talking about Launching, and I'm just trying to get midi notes to behave, lol.

If you haven’t yet, you can also try experimenting with the quantization toggles for note offs (ends) and note durations, not just note ons (starts) which is the only mode ticked by default. This is in the release version already. Especially with the note offs, setting the right grid settings and overall strength will make their ends sync to the grid.

wim

@zah said:
If I could highlight a sequence of quantized notes, and then have Atom2 fill in the notes so on the timeline they are against the next quantized note, and then nudge all those notes on the duration slider either way - that would be so useful. (I hope that is what you meant!)

I think what you're referring to could be called "legato" mode. Basically, filling in all space between notes?

Honestly, I feel that Atom2 is two programs. Everyone seems to be talking about Launching, and I'm just trying to get midi notes to behave, lol.

I think I've seen this implemented in a piano roll or two, but it's not a common feature.

blueveek

@wim said:

@zah said:
If I could highlight a sequence of quantized notes, and then have Atom2 fill in the notes so on the timeline they are against the next quantized note, and then nudge all those notes on the duration slider either way - that would be so useful. (I hope that is what you meant!)

I think what you're referring to could be called "legato" mode. Basically, filling in all space between notes?

Hmm, a non-destructive “fill in the blanks” processing tool would be really neat.

wim

@blueveek said:

@wim said:

@zah said:
If I could highlight a sequence of quantized notes, and then have Atom2 fill in the notes so on the timeline they are against the next quantized note, and then nudge all those notes on the duration slider either way - that would be so useful. (I hope that is what you meant!)

I think what you're referring to could be called "legato" mode. Basically, filling in all space between notes?

Hmm, a non-destructive “fill in the blanks” processing tool would be really neat.

I'm wondering what happens with chords. Expand all notes until the next note at any pitch? Extend notes until the next note of the same pitch? I guess the latter. 🤷🏼‍♂️

@zah, is there an existing app that works the way you're thinking that you could point to as an example?

blueveek

@wim said:

@blueveek said:

@wim said:

@zah said:
If I could highlight a sequence of quantized notes, and then have Atom2 fill in the notes so on the timeline they are against the next quantized note, and then nudge all those notes on the duration slider either way - that would be so useful. (I hope that is what you meant!)

I think what you're referring to could be called "legato" mode. Basically, filling in all space between notes?

Hmm, a non-destructive “fill in the blanks” processing tool would be really neat.

I'm wondering what happens with chords. Expand all notes until the next note at any pitch? Extend notes until the next note of the same pitch? I guess the latter. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I was actually imagining it would be the former.

@zah, is there an existing app that works the way you're thinking that you could point to as an example?

Yes, an example implementation to follow would be fantastic. Otherwise I guess we’ll have to invent one

wim

I took a quick look at FL Studio's "Quick Legato". It expands or shortens all notes as needed so that there are no gaps and no note ends overlap any note beginnings, if that makes sense. It's nuanced in many ways. For instance, if two notes start at exactly the same time, they are shortened/lengthened together, but if they start at slightly different times, the one that starts first is shortened so as to not overlap the first.

Seems like a can 'o worms to me. Implement it one way and a bunch of people will think it should work differently. A peek at FL Studio's (excellent) Articulate tool exposes some of the many ways something like this could be implemented: https://www.image-line.com/fl-studio-learning/fl-studio-online-manual/html/pianoroll_articulate.htm.

(BTW, FL Studio (Desktop) is free to download in Demo mode, which just means you just can't save your work. To me it's the reference for the worlds best piano roll.)

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galmandsværk

@MrBlaschke said:

@Gdub said:
Anyone tried activating octachron drum machine via atom 2
It seems to start and stop when it feels like it
Having x2 octachron one channel with a single activate for each on a different note from atom 2 is giving me weird results
Fingers crossed I am doing it wrong
Any help tips please

Yep - there is definitely something wacky here - but i guess it is inside of Octachron somehow.
It’s kind of hit and miss.

I had more success placing Octachrons on separate MIDI lanes. But even that might be a lucky thing that it worked for me.

I’ve had similar issues with Ochtachron. It seems that it only shifts patterns if triggered in the last quarter of a 4/4 bar. I’ve tried to create an atom that sends trigger notes on every downbeat in a 4/4 beat (and then program it to stop, not loop). This made sure that Octachron would shift patterns the way I wanted it to do. But, generally it seems like an issue with Octachron that doesn’t respond to midi triggered pattern changes, unless they happen in the last bit of a bar. Don’t know if that makes sense? It’s a shame, because the app is quite cool in so many other ways.

Gdub

@galmandsværk
I feel the same
Octachron is a great app
But just isn’t playing ball, pattern changes don’t follow, I have moved on and all my drum patterns have been copied over to atom 2 instances
Shame, fingers crossed they get it sorted

Looking forward to the new up date
Keep up the amazing work @blueveek

gtrgeorge

@galmandsværk said:

@MrBlaschke said:

@Gdub said:
Anyone tried activating octachron drum machine via atom 2
It seems to start and stop when it feels like it
Having x2 octachron one channel with a single activate for each on a different note from atom 2 is giving me weird results
Fingers crossed I am doing it wrong
Any help tips please

Yep - there is definitely something wacky here - but i guess it is inside of Octachron somehow.
It’s kind of hit and miss.

I had more success placing Octachrons on separate MIDI lanes. But even that might be a lucky thing that it worked for me.

I’ve had similar issues with Ochtachron. It seems that it only shifts patterns if triggered in the last quarter of a 4/4 bar. I’ve tried to create an atom that sends trigger notes on every downbeat in a 4/4 beat (and then program it to stop, not loop). This made sure that Octachron would shift patterns the way I wanted it to do. But, generally it seems like an issue with Octachron that doesn’t respond to midi triggered pattern changes, unless they happen in the last bit of a bar. Don’t know if that makes sense? It’s a shame, because the app is quite cool in so many other ways.

I have not tried doing this exact thing, but I have managed to do Octachron pattern changes in AUM via MIDI with no problems, but I have to remember to turn off the TOGGLE button. Not sure if this is what you’re talking about, but just putting it out there...

Jamie_Mallender

Hello folks. I’m just getting into Atom 2. I’ve kind of learnt it by pissypanting around with it to see hat happens. Seems pretty self explanatory. I. Can’t work out though, for the life of me, how do I get dark mode please?

Jumpercollins

@Jamie_Mallender said:
Hello folks. I’m just getting into Atom 2. I’ve kind of learnt it by pissypanting around with it to see hat happens. Seems pretty self explanatory. I. Can’t work out though, for the life of me, how do I get dark mode please?

@Jamie_Mallender its linked into your iPads Brightness and Display if you select dark mode on the iPad it goes to dark mode. People are starting to build custom templates for it now though.

blueveek

@Jumpercollins said:

@Jamie_Mallender said:
Hello folks. I’m just getting into Atom 2. I’ve kind of learnt it by pissypanting around with it to see hat happens. Seems pretty self explanatory. I. Can’t work out though, for the life of me, how do I get dark mode please?

@Jamie_Mallender its linked into your iPads Brightness and Display if you select dark mode on the iPad it goes to dark mode. People are starting to build custom templates for it now though.

I also spoke with @j_liljedahl and it's possible AUM might be getting a "force dark mode" or "force light mode" in the future, which will also be respected by Atom. We're still in the exploratory phase though, but if it happens, all AUs will benefit from it.

blueveek

@Owgill said:
@blueveek are the new swing controls parameters exposed in AUM? Thx

The problem is that those new controls are context-sensitive, so the way they work depends on whether or not you have a selection for example. I do have plans to make every possible interaction in Atom scriptable, and in turn make more of it controllable by parameters (e.g. moving notes, setting selections etc). If/when that happens, exposing context-aware modifiers like the non-destructive swing tools will make more sense, but we're a long ways away from that.

@Gdub said:
@galmandsværk
I feel the same
Octachron is a great app
But just isn’t playing ball, pattern changes don’t follow, I have moved on and all my drum patterns have been copied over to atom 2 instances
Shame, fingers crossed they get it sorted

Looking forward to the new up date
Keep up the amazing work @blueveek

If there's anything I can do to make things better for Octachron I'm happy to, I'll look into it. However, FWIW, in the very early alpha stages, Atom had similar issues that required a bit of nuance in how parameters are handled, specifically the ones pertaining to launching. Keeping everything tight and synced is not as straightforward as it may seem (e.g. triggering launch during the current frame, which depends on your buffer size, correctly starting or stopping clips where notes could exist either at the head or tail of the frame, before or after the trigger). Octachron might suffer from similar issues, but it's understandable since not all AUs expect super tight intra-frame syncing. For a positive example, Drambo's Flexi Sampler gets it perfect.

Jamie_Mallender

@blueveek said:

@Jumpercollins said:

@Jamie_Mallender said:
Hello folks. I’m just getting into Atom 2. I’ve kind of learnt it by pissypanting around with it to see hat happens. Seems pretty self explanatory. I. Can’t work out though, for the life of me, how do I get dark mode please?

@Jamie_Mallender its linked into your iPads Brightness and Display if you select dark mode on the iPad it goes to dark mode. People are starting to build custom templates for it now though.

I also spoke with @j_liljedahl and it's possible AUM might be getting a "force dark mode" or "force light mode" in the future, which will also be respected by Atom. We're still in the exploratory phase though, but if it happens, all AUs will benefit from it.

I see, thank you very much for your help. I don’t like dark mode on my iPad because when I’m live streaming or making videos things just don’t show up as Clearly as they might. I would really like a dark mode for Atom 2 though if it were possible. I just find it a little harsh on the eyes.

Samu

@Jamie_Mallender said:

@blueveek said:

@Jumpercollins said:

@Jamie_Mallender said:
Hello folks. I’m just getting into Atom 2. I’ve kind of learnt it by pissypanting around with it to see hat happens. Seems pretty self explanatory. I. Can’t work out though, for the life of me, how do I get dark mode please?

@Jamie_Mallender its linked into your iPads Brightness and Display if you select dark mode on the iPad it goes to dark mode. People are starting to build custom templates for it now though.

I also spoke with @j_liljedahl and it's possible AUM might be getting a "force dark mode" or "force light mode" in the future, which will also be respected by Atom. We're still in the exploratory phase though, but if it happens, all AUs will benefit from it.

I see, thank you very much for your help. I don’t like dark mode on my iPad because when I’m live streaming or making videos things just don’t show up as Clearly as they might. I would really like a dark mode for Atom 2 though if it were possible. I just find it a little harsh on the eyes.

Add me to the list. I prefer to keep my iPad 'In the Light' while retaining Atom 2 in the 'Dark', easier on the eyes that way...

Jamie_Mallender

@Samu said:

@Jamie_Mallender said:

@blueveek said:

@Jumpercollins said:

@Jamie_Mallender said:
Hello folks. I’m just getting into Atom 2. I’ve kind of learnt it by pissypanting around with it to see hat happens. Seems pretty self explanatory. I. Can’t work out though, for the life of me, how do I get dark mode please?

@Jamie_Mallender its linked into your iPads Brightness and Display if you select dark mode on the iPad it goes to dark mode. People are starting to build custom templates for it now though.

I also spoke with @j_liljedahl and it's possible AUM might be getting a "force dark mode" or "force light mode" in the future, which will also be respected by Atom. We're still in the exploratory phase though, but if it happens, all AUs will benefit from it.

I see, thank you very much for your help. I don’t like dark mode on my iPad because when I’m live streaming or making videos things just don’t show up as Clearly as they might. I would really like a dark mode for Atom 2 though if it were possible. I just find it a little harsh on the eyes.

Add me to the list. I prefer to keep my iPad 'In the Light' while retaining Atom 2 in the 'Dark', easier on the eyes that way...

Yeah Atom 1 was Bob on in that regard.

blueveek

Alright alright I'll make an official 'force dark mode' theme

Samu

@blueveek said:
Alright alright I'll make an official 'force dark mode' theme

Greatly Appreciated!

An on-line 'Atom 2 Theme Designer' could be a handy tool but that is extreme feature creep
(Ie. create the theme on-line, preview, download & share).

FloRi89

@Samu said:

@blueveek said:
Alright alright I'll make an official 'force dark mode' theme

Greatly Appreciated!

An on-line 'Atom 2 Theme Designer' could be a handy tool but that is extreme feature creep
(Ie. create the theme on-line, preview, download & share).

I’m nearly done with a “atom 2 theming basics” video. But I had a cold so it took a little longer . You still be able to hear it though, my voice is really rough.

soundtemple

@mbncp said:
Sorry, little OT, but someone asked in this thread (can't find it anymore..) if an AUV3 plug could create a virtual port and one of @blueveek 's avatar said he would be checking it, any results ? As this would be a great opportunity to hassle @brambos for Mozaic 2

For the record, I'm keen to hear about this one too.

tahiche

I’ve had a chance to play around some with Atom2. It’s superb. Super intuitive, fluid and a pleasure to work with.
@blueveek I know you were considering exposing the pattern switch parameter. Have you made a decision?.
Unless there’s workarounds I’m unaware of, pattern switching is a must to use Atom2 with DAWs.

• it would let me use Atom2 for midi editing and composing, far better than my daw.
• It would let me use midi “loops” on a linear timeline adding great ease of use and flexibility.
  

Here’s Zenbeats, but I think it’d be same on other daws. Even if you add multiple Atom instances as midi fx, there’s no way to switch between them, or mute/unmute. Exposing pattern switch via midi parameter would allow you to switch patterns from the daw at will.
I did try automating patterns via instances “launch” coupled with “mutes” but it’s a hassle. Is there another way?

galmandsværk

@gtrgeorge said:

@galmandsværk said:

@MrBlaschke said:

@Gdub said:
Anyone tried activating octachron drum machine via atom 2
It seems to start and stop when it feels like it
Having x2 octachron one channel with a single activate for each on a different note from atom 2 is giving me weird results
Fingers crossed I am doing it wrong
Any help tips please

Yep - there is definitely something wacky here - but i guess it is inside of Octachron somehow.
It’s kind of hit and miss.

I had more success placing Octachrons on separate MIDI lanes. But even that might be a lucky thing that it worked for me.

I’ve had similar issues with Ochtachron. It seems that it only shifts patterns if triggered in the last quarter of a 4/4 bar. I’ve tried to create an atom that sends trigger notes on every downbeat in a 4/4 beat (and then program it to stop, not loop). This made sure that Octachron would shift patterns the way I wanted it to do. But, generally it seems like an issue with Octachron that doesn’t respond to midi triggered pattern changes, unless they happen in the last bit of a bar. Don’t know if that makes sense? It’s a shame, because the app is quite cool in so many other ways.

I have not tried doing this exact thing, but I have managed to do Octachron pattern changes in AUM via MIDI with no problems, but I have to remember to turn off the TOGGLE button. Not sure if this is what you’re talking about, but just putting it out there...

That was it. So simple. I feel a bit stupid, but also happy, because now it works seamlessly. Thanks!

Gdub

@gtrgeorge and @galmandsværk
Will try again later, when I get to my iPad
Really hope you’re right as I love octachron
Would be awesome if octachron got released on iPhone as well

blueveek

@tahiche said:
@blueveek I know you were considering exposing the pattern switch parameter. Have you made a decision?.

Yes.

I did try automating patterns via instances “launch” coupled with “mutes” but it’s a hassle. Is there another way?

Have you tried the new “choke mode: on” in the advanced launch settings?