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  • edited May 2021

    @audio_DT said:

    @gusgranite said:

    @audio_DT said:
    How can I use the new automation feature? I can't work it out for the life of me. P.s. I would like to join the chorus of those saying @blueveek should be cashed-up somehow. Maybe an IAP for something, or maybe just a 'tip jar' of varying amounts?

    What automation would you like to record? Do you have a midi controller with pitchbend to test? Or KB-1 app? Just let Atom2 record what you do and it will play back the automation you record. You just can’t see it or edit it. You can delete just the automation though and re-record it (under Patterns)

    Can you not automate CCs yet? I do have KB-1, but I was under the impression it was possible to automated CCs?

    Atom 2 is capable of recording all CCs (all MIDI data really, including CC, PC, aftertouch etc., and even in MPE format). Multiple takes are overdubbed (just like with notes). Editing is limited to clearing.

  • @Samu said:

    @Paa89 said:

    Hi samu.
    In regards to the pre-count issue, i did report it and it has been acknowledged by Lars and his team. A fix will surely come but don’t know when.

    Thanks! It's really driving me nuts...
    For onscreen-keyboard playing I prefer pre-count but when it affects recording sequencers it's a kinda wtf moment.

    I will surely compare the midi-timing between Atom 2 and Cubasis 3 when the Cubasis update drops ;)

    Cheers!

    No worries.
    I know it’s sometimes frustrating.
    When i have a pattern in Drambo and trying to record something in Cubasis timeline, Drambo starts to play during count down and everything is out of sync. Luckily Digistixs works better with Cubasis, it waits for the recording to start before it starts to play.
    Lars and his team will definitely sort it once they can.
    I’ve seen the video of Atom 2 midi timing.
    I can reproduce similar effect with the current Cubasis 3.2 on the iPad Pro 11 2018 no issue at all.

  • @blueveek said:

    @audio_DT said:

    @gusgranite said:

    @audio_DT said:
    How can I use the new automation feature? I can't work it out for the life of me. P.s. I would like to join the chorus of those saying @blueveek should be cashed-up somehow. Maybe an IAP for something, or maybe just a 'tip jar' of varying amounts?

    What automation would you like to record? Do you have a midi controller with pitchbend to test? Or KB-1 app? Just let Atom2 record what you do and it will play back the automation you record. You just can’t see it or edit it. You can delete just the automation though and re-record it (under Patterns)

    Can you not automate CCs yet? I do have KB-1, but I was under the impression it was possible to automated CCs?

    Atom 2 is capable of recording all CCs (all MIDI data really, including CC, PC, aftertouch etc., and even in MPE format). Multiple takes are overdubbed (just like with notes). Editing is limited to clearing.

    I managed to record MPE from KB-1 but couldn't get it to record knob twiddling in Tal-u-Nox. I'll give it another go. Super-brilliant work on your part, btw. It makes making music a real pleasure in AUM.

  • wimwim
    edited May 2021

    @audio_DT said:

    @blueveek said:

    @audio_DT said:

    @gusgranite said:

    @audio_DT said:
    How can I use the new automation feature? I can't work it out for the life of me. P.s. I would like to join the chorus of those saying @blueveek should be cashed-up somehow. Maybe an IAP for something, or maybe just a 'tip jar' of varying amounts?

    What automation would you like to record? Do you have a midi controller with pitchbend to test? Or KB-1 app? Just let Atom2 record what you do and it will play back the automation you record. You just can’t see it or edit it. You can delete just the automation though and re-record it (under Patterns)

    Can you not automate CCs yet? I do have KB-1, but I was under the impression it was possible to automated CCs?

    Atom 2 is capable of recording all CCs (all MIDI data really, including CC, PC, aftertouch etc., and even in MPE format). Multiple takes are overdubbed (just like with notes). Editing is limited to clearing.

    I managed to record MPE from KB-1 but couldn't get it to record knob twiddling in Tal-u-Nox. I'll give it another go. Super-brilliant work on your part, btw. It makes making music a real pleasure in AUM.

    Tal doesn't output midi when you turn its knobs, so there's nothing to record.

  • @audio_DT said:

    I managed to record MPE from KB-1 but couldn't get it to record knob twiddling in Tal-u-Nox. I'll give it another go. Super-brilliant work on your part, btw. It makes making music a real pleasure in AUM.

    If I'm not mistaken TAL-UN-O-LX does not transmit/send midi CC...

  • @Samu @blueveek is this close enough to what Atom does? I can hear a slight jug at the beginning of the loop.but seems pretty good, maybe not Atom good 😂 but still okay. I wish they BPM could go higher in Cubasis that would have been a fair test.

  • @onerez said:
    So…. I almost hate to ask as you work so hard. But do you ever see a midi preview option like there is in Helium??

    Thanks for the hard work.

    +1 to all that.

  • @wim said:

    @audio_DT said:

    @blueveek said:

    @audio_DT said:

    @gusgranite said:

    @audio_DT said:
    How can I use the new automation feature? I can't work it out for the life of me. P.s. I would like to join the chorus of those saying @blueveek should be cashed-up somehow. Maybe an IAP for something, or maybe just a 'tip jar' of varying amounts?

    What automation would you like to record? Do you have a midi controller with pitchbend to test? Or KB-1 app? Just let Atom2 record what you do and it will play back the automation you record. You just can’t see it or edit it. You can delete just the automation though and re-record it (under Patterns)

    Can you not automate CCs yet? I do have KB-1, but I was under the impression it was possible to automated CCs?

    Atom 2 is capable of recording all CCs (all MIDI data really, including CC, PC, aftertouch etc., and even in MPE format). Multiple takes are overdubbed (just like with notes). Editing is limited to clearing.

    I managed to record MPE from KB-1 but couldn't get it to record knob twiddling in Tal-u-Nox. I'll give it another go. Super-brilliant work on your part, btw. It makes making music a real pleasure in AUM.

    Tal doesn't output midi when you turn its knobs, so there's nothing to record.

    @audio_DT You would need a midi controller (hardware or app) to turn those TAL knobs and then Atom2 could capture the midi controller midi data as automation.

  • Hot damn! Automation works great. Recorded a clip with tons of cc and pb events. Plays back beautifully.
    One thing though..... export midi does not seem export the black box automation. Is that a “down the road” feature? Thanks!

  • @boomer said:
    Hot damn! Automation works great. Recorded a clip with tons of cc and pb events. Plays back beautifully.
    One thing though..... export midi does not seem export the black box automation. Is that a “down the road” feature? Thanks!

    Yes of course.

  • @gusgranite said:

    @wim said:

    @audio_DT said:

    @blueveek said:

    @audio_DT said:

    @gusgranite said:

    @audio_DT said:
    How can I use the new automation feature? I can't work it out for the life of me. P.s. I would like to join the chorus of those saying @blueveek should be cashed-up somehow. Maybe an IAP for something, or maybe just a 'tip jar' of varying amounts?

    What automation would you like to record? Do you have a midi controller with pitchbend to test? Or KB-1 app? Just let Atom2 record what you do and it will play back the automation you record. You just can’t see it or edit it. You can delete just the automation though and re-record it (under Patterns)

    Can you not automate CCs yet? I do have KB-1, but I was under the impression it was possible to automated CCs?

    Atom 2 is capable of recording all CCs (all MIDI data really, including CC, PC, aftertouch etc., and even in MPE format). Multiple takes are overdubbed (just like with notes). Editing is limited to clearing.

    I managed to record MPE from KB-1 but couldn't get it to record knob twiddling in Tal-u-Nox. I'll give it another go. Super-brilliant work on your part, btw. It makes making music a real pleasure in AUM.

    Tal doesn't output midi when you turn its knobs, so there's nothing to record.

    @audio_DT You would need a midi controller (hardware or app) to turn those TAL knobs and then Atom2 could capture the midi controller midi data as automation.

    Gotcha - thanks. I get it now, though i've not tried this yet. i do have a hardware controller but tend to stick to software, where possible. Will have a go later. Thanks again.

  • edited May 2021

    @boomer said:
    Hot damn! Automation works great. Recorded a clip with tons of cc and pb events. Plays back beautifully.
    One thing though..... export midi does not seem export the black box automation. Is that a “down the road” feature? Thanks!

    Now implemented in the beta! If you'd like to test, drop me a DM.

  • @Paa89 said:
    @Samu @blueveek is this close enough to what Atom does? I can hear a slight jug at the beginning of the loop.but seems pretty good, maybe not Atom good 😂 but still okay. I wish they BPM could go higher in Cubasis that would have been a fair test.

    @Paa89 Try this...
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/1jfdgauitv2lpjo/speed.mp4?dl=0
    (AUM as 'host' with Atom 2 is running at 10x speed, starting at 20BPM and going up, up, up...).

    As a 'Host' Cubasis doesn't seem to provide an accurate clock for the plug-ins or something?!
    I know this is extreme but shows sample accurate timing is possible.
    (No worries I've got the tools I need to do what I need to do when experimenting and don't rely on Cubasis).

    Cheers!

  • edited May 2021

    @Samu said:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/1jfdgauitv2lpjo/speed.mp4?dl=0
    (AUM as 'host' with Atom 2 is running at 10x speed, starting at 20BPM and going up, up, up...).

    Holy crap.

    I think those waveforms beg for some sampling :)

  • Updated?

  • I’m so stoked I can finally do more GeoShred stuff in aum without recording straight to audio for everything when I need to loop

  • @Fingolfinzz said:
    I’m so stoked I can finally do more GeoShred stuff in aum without recording straight to audio for everything when I need to loop

    Great.. maybe we can ‘buy’ some of those MPE Midi Clips... For non-players like me.
    Editing CCs should top it off..

  • @aleyas

    It would be very cool if trigger per note came to Atom.
    Last app I bought was Atom 2. Flattered that you shared my vid.
    The second video that you shared with Drambo doing the trigger per note was very intriguing. Was that you? That patch should be on patch storage!
    Took some time off from the forum while trying to focus on Ableton and dealing with some other issues. Replaced buying apps with buying Max for Live devices.

    Thanks to @Intrepolicious for the heads up and reminding why this forum is the greatest!

  • edited May 2021

    @hypnopad said:
    @aleyas

    It would be very cool if trigger per note came to Atom.

    What do you mean by this exactly? Atom 2 has an unparalleled amount of triggering, looping and launching options, and all of them are additionally controllable by all kinds of MIDI, including notes. Long press the Launch button, or visit the Patterns menu to check them out. If you’re referring to something else, let me know, I’m actually curious. (perhaps you mean per-note chance or probability?)

  • @hypnopad said:
    @aleyas

    It would be very cool if trigger per note came to Atom.
    Last app I bought was Atom 2. Flattered that you shared my vid.
    The second video that you shared with Drambo doing the trigger per note was very intriguing. Was that you? That patch should be on patch storage!
    Took some time off from the forum while trying to focus on Ableton and dealing with some other issues. Replaced buying apps with buying Max for Live devices.

    Thanks to @Intrepolicious for the heads up and reminding why this forum is the greatest!

    Whaaat.. a @hypnopad Sighting!

    Hey, you’re probably thinking about Atom 1 if the last app you bought was a while ago. Atom 2 is brand new, just came out a month or so ago, and so much more advanced.

  • Ahh @hypnopad ... by "trigger by note" do you mean play the next sequencer note each time a key is pressed? Like the HypnoSequence Mozaic script?

    There has been some talk of adding a feature something like that earlier in the thread.

  • edited May 2021

    @blueveek said:

    @hypnopad said:
    @aleyas

    It would be very cool if trigger per note came to Atom.

    What do you mean by this exactly? Atom 2 has an unparalleled amount of triggering, looping and launching options, and all of them are additionally controllable by all kinds of MIDI, including notes. Long press the Launch button, or visit the Patterns menu to check them out. If you’re referring to something else, let me know, I’m actually curious. (perhaps you mean per-note chance or probability?)

    It means when a sequence of notes on a piano roll is triggered one note at a time for each midi note input regardless of the pitch of the incoming note. That way you are in control of the phrasing in real time.
    I was echoing the earlier request from @aleyas.

    @wim - Exactly.

    @Intrepolicious - Atom 2 was the one exception to my strict app diet. I figured I’d get around to using it in the near future (like a lot of the apps I’ve bought).😄

  • @RajahP said:

    @Fingolfinzz said:
    I’m so stoked I can finally do more GeoShred stuff in aum without recording straight to audio for everything when I need to loop

    Great.. maybe we can ‘buy’ some of those MPE Midi Clips... For non-players like me.
    Editing CCs should top it off..

    Yeah I’ll keep that in mind and try to remember to save some clips and upload some when I have a few amassed

  • @hypnopad said:

    @blueveek said:

    @hypnopad said:
    @aleyas

    It would be very cool if trigger per note came to Atom.

    What do you mean by this exactly? Atom 2 has an unparalleled amount of triggering, looping and launching options, and all of them are additionally controllable by all kinds of MIDI, including notes. Long press the Launch button, or visit the Patterns menu to check them out. If you’re referring to something else, let me know, I’m actually curious. (perhaps you mean per-note chance or probability?)

    It means when a sequence of notes on a piano roll is triggered one note at a time for each midi note input regardless of the pitch of the incoming note. That way you are in control of the phrasing in real time.
    I was echoing the earlier request from @aleyas.

    @wim - Exactly.

    @Intrepolicious - Atom 2 was the one exception to my strict app diet. I figured I’d get around to using it in the near future (like a lot of the apps I’ve bought).😄

    Ah, so you have been lurking :)
    Good to see you here!

  • @Fingolfinzz said:

    @RajahP said:

    @Fingolfinzz said:
    I’m so stoked I can finally do more GeoShred stuff in aum without recording straight to audio for everything when I need to loop

    Great.. maybe we can ‘buy’ some of those MPE Midi Clips... For non-players like me.
    Editing CCs should top it off..

    Yeah I’ll keep that in mind and try to remember to save some clips and upload some when I have a few amassed

    Thanks...

  • edited May 2021

    Update 2.0.8 is out!

    More MPE!

    This one stays a little bit more true to the "minor" versioning number scheme :) It makes MPE even better, adding full support for MIDI import/export and certain dedicated MPE hardware (thanks @tput73). It also has a few optimizations, making better use of multi-core chips (on all devices) when dealing with heavy MPE recordings.

    • Full MPE and automation support for MIDI import/export, in addition to recording. Working directly with MIDI files will now include pitch bend, modulation, sustain and all other CC or aftertouch events.
    • Full MPE compatibility for Linnstrument and Continuumini hardware.
    • Greatly improved performance on all devices when recording MPE that generates a lot of data.
  • Another great update :smile:

    How are people recording in to an instance which is already being triggered? For example an instance is being triggered to play pattern 1 then I add a fresh pattern 2 and set a controller instance to trigger pattern 1 then 2. How do you get your recording into fresh pattern 2 such that you don't interrupt the triggering?

    At the moment I have a separate Atom which just does recording and attach that to the same instrument so I can hear what I am doing but it would be easier if I could record directly into the triggered instance.

    Would having an input channel for the launch note solve this, in the same way that we have a channel for the pattern switch? I could then play in my recording on say, channel 2 and it would not accidentally trigger a pattern change or interfere with the launch note. There would still be the problem of MIDI-thru needing to be enabled to hear the recording but needing to be disabled to avoid hearing the control notes but I could just connect the keyboard directly to the instrument to work around that.

  • @blueveek said:

    @Samu said:
    I've been pushing the timing of Atom 2 to the max (1/64th notes at 999BPM) and it's solid with no hiccups at all which can't be said about a few other sequencers. Sure it's more like 'granular synthesis' than 'music' but it works :D

    I’m glad you noticed. I suspect not many people will, and a ridiculous amount of focus and effort was directed at enabling perfect sample accuracy.

    The ‘granular synthesis’ bit definitely made me chuckle.

    When it becomes granular sounding, I guess that's an indication of some point in the MIDI to audio chain where the limit of available precision is crossed. These smooth granular sounds need some amount of randomness.

  • @blueveek in 2.0.8 MPE mode does not pass through aftertouch pressure events

  • edited May 2021

    @MisplacedDevelopment said:
    Another great update :smile:

    Would having an input channel for the launch note solve this, in the same way that we have a channel for the pattern switch? I could then play in my recording on say, channel 2 and it would not accidentally trigger a pattern change or interfere with the launch note. There would still be the problem of MIDI-thru needing to be enabled to hear the recording but needing to be disabled to avoid hearing the control notes but I could just connect the keyboard directly to the instrument to work around that.

    Yes, exactly this. I've been pondering adding an option for picking 'recording channels' vs 'launching channels'. This would make it possible to separate MIDI for recording vs launching, so that these two operations wouldn't interfere with everything else. In the meantime, there's plenty of workarounds, but none as straightforward when compared to having that option.

    @rs2000 said:

    @blueveek said:

    @Samu said:
    I've been pushing the timing of Atom 2 to the max (1/64th notes at 999BPM) and it's solid with no hiccups at all which can't be said about a few other sequencers. Sure it's more like 'granular synthesis' than 'music' but it works :D

    I’m glad you noticed. I suspect not many people will, and a ridiculous amount of focus and effort was directed at enabling perfect sample accuracy.

    The ‘granular synthesis’ bit definitely made me chuckle.

    When it becomes granular sounding, I guess that's an indication of some point in the MIDI to audio chain where the limit of available precision is crossed. These smooth granular sounds need some amount of randomness.

    Well, yes and no. I was just chatting with @brambos about @Samu's video the other day (https://www.dropbox.com/s/1jfdgauitv2lpjo/speed.mp4?raw=1), and it's technically possible to make synths trigger every sample, though at that point you'd probably hear a sustained whirr. A "turn your drums into flutes" sort of thing :)

    @clowm said:
    @blueveek in 2.0.8 MPE mode does not pass through aftertouch pressure events

    That's very surprising.

    I just tested this with both a Roli Lumi and Kai's KB-1, and everything works as expected. @tput73 has been testing with a Linnstrument and Continuumini, and it's all working well last time I've heard.

    Can you share more about your exact setup? Are you referring to "channel aftertouch" or "polyphonic aftertouch" events? Which apps or controllers are you using?

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