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  • richardyotrichardyot

    @NeuM said:

    @richardyot said:
    Coinbase fined $6.5 million by the CFTC for wash-trading and false reporting, you can read the settlement here, section C3 is particularly good, on some days the wash-trading accounted for 99% of all trading volume:

    https://t.co/u4pKNdKw58?amp=1

    Again, you seem to be conflating a crypto exchange allegedly failing to properly report something with the viability (or lack thereof) of crypto in general? If so, it’s a deeply flawed argument.

    No, I'm saying the crypto space is full of scammers and frauds, which I think is worth pointing out. YMMV though :)

  • NeuMNeuM

    @richardyot said:

    @NeuM said:

    @richardyot said:
    Coinbase fined $6.5 million by the CFTC for wash-trading and false reporting, you can read the settlement here, section C3 is particularly good, on some days the wash-trading accounted for 99% of all trading volume:

    https://t.co/u4pKNdKw58?amp=1

    Again, you seem to be conflating a crypto exchange allegedly failing to properly report something with the viability (or lack thereof) of crypto in general? If so, it’s a deeply flawed argument.

    No, I'm saying the crypto space is full of scammers and frauds, which I think is worth pointing out. YMMV though :)

    A mistake (allegedly accidental since the case never went to trial) in reporting some government paperwork requirement is not evidence of a scam or fraud.

  • richardyotrichardyot
    edited April 2021

    @NeuM said:

    @richardyot said:

    @NeuM said:

    @richardyot said:
    Coinbase fined $6.5 million by the CFTC for wash-trading and false reporting, you can read the settlement here, section C3 is particularly good, on some days the wash-trading accounted for 99% of all trading volume:

    https://t.co/u4pKNdKw58?amp=1

    Again, you seem to be conflating a crypto exchange allegedly failing to properly report something with the viability (or lack thereof) of crypto in general? If so, it’s a deeply flawed argument.

    No, I'm saying the crypto space is full of scammers and frauds, which I think is worth pointing out. YMMV though :)

    A mistake (allegedly accidental since the case never went to trial) in reporting some government paperwork requirement is not evidence of a scam or fraud.

    Did you read the settlement? They were wash-trading, on some days 99% of the trading (Litecoin <--> Bitcoin) was BS.

    With that level of fake trading they are very likely trying to inflate the price, and that should set alarm bells ringing. Tether and Coinbase have both been fined for shady practices, and if you don't think that could have an impact on the crypto market I can't help you.

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited April 2021

    @richardyot said:

    @NeuM said:

    @richardyot said:

    @NeuM said:

    @richardyot said:
    Coinbase fined $6.5 million by the CFTC for wash-trading and false reporting, you can read the settlement here, section C3 is particularly good, on some days the wash-trading accounted for 99% of all trading volume:

    https://t.co/u4pKNdKw58?amp=1

    Again, you seem to be conflating a crypto exchange allegedly failing to properly report something with the viability (or lack thereof) of crypto in general? If so, it’s a deeply flawed argument.

    No, I'm saying the crypto space is full of scammers and frauds, which I think is worth pointing out. YMMV though :)

    A mistake (allegedly accidental since the case never went to trial) in reporting some government paperwork requirement is not evidence of a scam or fraud.

    Did you read the settlement? They were wash-trading, on some days 99% of the trading (Litecoin <--> Bitcoin) was BS.

    With that level of fake trading they are very likely trying to inflate the price, and that should set alarm bells ringing. Tether and Coinbase have both been fined for shady practices, and if you don't think that could have an impact on the crypto market I can't help you.

    Richard, they are one exchange. There are about 500 crypto exchanges in the world today, but there are about 5 worth dealing with in the US that have a fairly good track record and have sufficient capital in the event of an worst case scenario total market meltdown.

  • ashhashh

    @richardyot said:

    @NeuM said:

    @richardyot said:
    Coinbase fined $6.5 million by the CFTC for wash-trading and false reporting, you can read the settlement here, section C3 is particularly good, on some days the wash-trading accounted for 99% of all trading volume:

    https://t.co/u4pKNdKw58?amp=1

    Again, you seem to be conflating a crypto exchange allegedly failing to properly report something with the viability (or lack thereof) of crypto in general? If so, it’s a deeply flawed argument.

    No, I'm saying the crypto space is full of scammers and frauds, which I think is worth pointing out. YMMV though :)

    Thank goodness for the various stock exchanges. Paragons of virtue all.

    I do think that cryptos seem to surf ahead of any kind of statutory body's ability to keep up.

  • ashhashh

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @ashh said:

    @wim said:

    @ashh said:

    @NeuM said:

    @PZoo said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    Stating that truism provides no insight as to how to judge the valuation of BitCoin.

    That’s the whole conversation wrapped up nicely. I’m still not seeing a valuation proposition anywhere

    You may not see it or be aware of it, but Bitcoin alone has a market cap of more than $1 trillion. It doesn’t matter if you don’t understand it. Others clearly do. :)

    Firstly, let me just say that I have noooooo idea about volatile, short-term investments like BTC. However, I do think that people like you, @PZoo are trying to make BTC's square peg fit into the dusty old round hole of the Rules of Investing. The time to say I told you so has long gone. Fortunes are gained and lost on the stock market every day, someone wins and someone loses. BTC is just doing that, isn't it? What's not to like?

    There are other another shades to this. For instance, Ethereum blockchain has other uses than just minting coins. Some are here today and some are yet to be realized. Visa, JP Morgan Chase, and some other well-known entity I can't remember just now just recently invested a sizable sum in blockchain technology, saying they have important emerging uses for it. I forget the details, and am too sleepy to look up the post where I linked to the article over in the NFT thread. Then there are related blockchain technology companies that may be good investments.

    In short, for anyone interested in investing, it's a ripe, new area to research and to hunt for opportunities, be they coins, technologies, or related industries. It's challenging to be sure since it is new and unpredictable. But I find it fascinating. I find the passionate evangelism for and against the whole thing fascinating as well. Hard to comprehend why people are so zealous to defend their chosen positions, but fascinating. And entertaining. :p

    I often wonder if people who have put a lot of time and effort into understanding the markets are so annoyed by BTC because it has thrown them in with people just having a punt who know next to nothing and yet have made a fortune in 5 minutes whereas they have followed all the rules and not made quite as much from their immense knowledge and experience.

    There's some definite truth to this. Like remember when the Reddit dudes all got together and destroyed the hedge funders who were shorting Gamestop? And everybody said they didn't understand finance, that's not the way they game is played? But they didn't care about the RULES, and they went on and save Gamestop, and put an end to shortselling vulturism forever and saved capitalism and all got super-rich in the process?

    Exactly! They stuck it to the man! Yeeeeeee HAW!!

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited April 2021

    @ashh said:

    @richardyot said:

    @NeuM said:

    @richardyot said:
    Coinbase fined $6.5 million by the CFTC for wash-trading and false reporting, you can read the settlement here, section C3 is particularly good, on some days the wash-trading accounted for 99% of all trading volume:

    https://t.co/u4pKNdKw58?amp=1

    Again, you seem to be conflating a crypto exchange allegedly failing to properly report something with the viability (or lack thereof) of crypto in general? If so, it’s a deeply flawed argument.

    No, I'm saying the crypto space is full of scammers and frauds, which I think is worth pointing out. YMMV though :)

    Thank goodness for the various stock exchanges. Paragons of virtue all.

    I do think that cryptos seem to surf ahead of any kind of statutory body's ability to keep up.

    Where there is less regulation and increased risk, there is also the tantalizing possibility of greater profits. That’s the story of investing in a nutshell. It’s why angel investors and those who participate in ICO’s and IPO’s carry tons of risk, but they also see the greatest profits from being early.

  • richardyotrichardyot

    @NeuM said:

    @richardyot said:

    @NeuM said:

    @richardyot said:

    @NeuM said:

    @richardyot said:
    Coinbase fined $6.5 million by the CFTC for wash-trading and false reporting, you can read the settlement here, section C3 is particularly good, on some days the wash-trading accounted for 99% of all trading volume:

    https://t.co/u4pKNdKw58?amp=1

    Again, you seem to be conflating a crypto exchange allegedly failing to properly report something with the viability (or lack thereof) of crypto in general? If so, it’s a deeply flawed argument.

    No, I'm saying the crypto space is full of scammers and frauds, which I think is worth pointing out. YMMV though :)

    A mistake (allegedly accidental since the case never went to trial) in reporting some government paperwork requirement is not evidence of a scam or fraud.

    Did you read the settlement? They were wash-trading, on some days 99% of the trading (Litecoin <--> Bitcoin) was BS.

    With that level of fake trading they are very likely trying to inflate the price, and that should set alarm bells ringing. Tether and Coinbase have both been fined for shady practices, and if you don't think that could have an impact on the crypto market I can't help you.

    Richard, they are one exchange. There are about 500 crypto exchanges in the world today, but there are about 5 worth dealing with in the US that have a fairly good track record and have sufficient capital in the event of an worst case scenario total market meltdown.

    And isn’t Coinbase the biggest one? How does the wash trading reflect on their track record?

    It’s all cool, let’s defend the criminals and fraudsters. All in the spirit of investing after all.

  • NeuMNeuM

    @richardyot said:

    @NeuM said:

    @richardyot said:

    @NeuM said:

    @richardyot said:

    @NeuM said:

    @richardyot said:
    Coinbase fined $6.5 million by the CFTC for wash-trading and false reporting, you can read the settlement here, section C3 is particularly good, on some days the wash-trading accounted for 99% of all trading volume:

    https://t.co/u4pKNdKw58?amp=1

    Again, you seem to be conflating a crypto exchange allegedly failing to properly report something with the viability (or lack thereof) of crypto in general? If so, it’s a deeply flawed argument.

    No, I'm saying the crypto space is full of scammers and frauds, which I think is worth pointing out. YMMV though :)

    A mistake (allegedly accidental since the case never went to trial) in reporting some government paperwork requirement is not evidence of a scam or fraud.

    Did you read the settlement? They were wash-trading, on some days 99% of the trading (Litecoin <--> Bitcoin) was BS.

    With that level of fake trading they are very likely trying to inflate the price, and that should set alarm bells ringing. Tether and Coinbase have both been fined for shady practices, and if you don't think that could have an impact on the crypto market I can't help you.

    Richard, they are one exchange. There are about 500 crypto exchanges in the world today, but there are about 5 worth dealing with in the US that have a fairly good track record and have sufficient capital in the event of an worst case scenario total market meltdown.

    And isn’t Coinbase the biggest one? How does the wash trading reflect on their track record?

    It’s all cool, let’s defend the criminals and fraudsters. All in the spirit of investing after all.

    By the way, if you are directly calling them “criminals and fraudsters” when no such thing has been proven in a court of law, that could be interpreted as legally actionable defamation.

  • dendydendy

    @richardyot said:
    Coinbase fined $6.5 million by the CFTC for wash-trading and false reporting, you can read the settlement here, section C3 is particularly good, on some days the wash-trading accounted for 99% of all trading volume:

    https://t.co/u4pKNdKw58?amp=1

    good, they deserve it.. One of reasons why i don't don't use Coinbase for daily trading. Till now it was just conspiracy theory between traders - it was in my opinion obvious when you closely watched order books and volumes sometimes.

    They got what they deserve.

  • ExAsperis99ExAsperis99

    @NeuM said:

    @richardyot said:

    @NeuM said:

    @richardyot said:

    @NeuM said:

    @richardyot said:

    @NeuM said:

    @richardyot said:
    Coinbase fined $6.5 million by the CFTC for wash-trading and false reporting, you can read the settlement here, section C3 is particularly good, on some days the wash-trading accounted for 99% of all trading volume:

    https://t.co/u4pKNdKw58?amp=1

    Again, you seem to be conflating a crypto exchange allegedly failing to properly report something with the viability (or lack thereof) of crypto in general? If so, it’s a deeply flawed argument.

    No, I'm saying the crypto space is full of scammers and frauds, which I think is worth pointing out. YMMV though :)

    A mistake (allegedly accidental since the case never went to trial) in reporting some government paperwork requirement is not evidence of a scam or fraud.

    Did you read the settlement? They were wash-trading, on some days 99% of the trading (Litecoin <--> Bitcoin) was BS.

    With that level of fake trading they are very likely trying to inflate the price, and that should set alarm bells ringing. Tether and Coinbase have both been fined for shady practices, and if you don't think that could have an impact on the crypto market I can't help you.

    Richard, they are one exchange. There are about 500 crypto exchanges in the world today, but there are about 5 worth dealing with in the US that have a fairly good track record and have sufficient capital in the event of an worst case scenario total market meltdown.

    And isn’t Coinbase the biggest one? How does the wash trading reflect on their track record?

    It’s all cool, let’s defend the criminals and fraudsters. All in the spirit of investing after all.

    By the way, if you are directly calling them “criminals and fraudsters” when no such thing has been proven in a court of law, that could be interpreted as legally actionable defamation.

    lol

  • dendydendy
    edited April 2021

    Got informarion from two independent sources from US that currently there is armageddon happening on real estate market. Big companies are purchasing real estates, especially small houses, as investment with free money they got from FED as part of QE 2020/2021. Which cause huge peak of prices and people from middle class can't afford buy houses anymore, they had to rent it and pay prices, which are obviously skyrocketing.

    But yeah, inflation is not happening, because of CPI bullshit.

    This ends very bad.

  • dendydendy
    edited April 2021

    @richardyot said:

    @NeuM said:

    @richardyot said:
    Coinbase fined $6.5 million by the CFTC for wash-trading and false reporting, you can read the settlement here, section C3 is particularly good, on some days the wash-trading accounted for 99% of all trading volume:

    https://t.co/u4pKNdKw58?amp=1

    Again, you seem to be conflating a crypto exchange allegedly failing to properly report something with the viability (or lack thereof) of crypto in general? If so, it’s a deeply flawed argument.

    No, I'm saying the crypto space is full of scammers and frauds, which I think is worth pointing out. YMMV though :)

    Yeah, there is lot of scam and frauds. Because newcomers are often not educating themselves, they just expect quick easy money, so they are easy target.

    They used to have big brother guard above them in traditional finance system so they forgot to think and learn. Crypto forces you learn lot of new stuff and take full responsibility for your own financial decisions. I think i understand this is too much for many people and that's why they dislike crypto. To think and to take full responsibility for own decisions often hurts. That's price for financial freedom.

    Is had to say i'm not there yet. Still learning and buildimg my path to financial freedom. But at least here i see the way - what i see in traditional finamce system is just spending most of my life hard working until i die relatively poor.

    I know also lot of kind nice people from crypto community, people who are donating huge part pf their gains to charity, people ready to help. Funny thing is i saw lot more arguing and conflicts, intolerance and wars in between members of this community than between members of crypto community ... which is a bit sad.

  • wimwim

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @NeuM said:
    By the way, if you are directly calling them “criminals and fraudsters” when no such thing has been proven in a court of law, that could be interpreted as legally actionable defamation.

    lol

    It’s a good thing Uli Behringer doesn’t own Coinbase. 😉

  • PZooPZoo

    @dendy said:
    Got informarion from two independent sources from US that currently there is armageddon happening on real estate market. Big companies are purchasing real estates, especially small houses, as investment with free money they got from FED as part of QE 2020/2021. Which cause huge peak of prices and people from middle class can't afford buy houses anymore, they had to rent it and pay prices, which are obviously skyrocketing.

    But yeah, inflation is not happening, because of CPI bullshit.

    This ends very bad.

    Your sources may still be using dial up modems bc that is very old news :) Look up invitation homes, for example

  • dendydendy
    edited April 2021

    @PZoo i know it was always like that.. they both work in real estate agencies and they told me in recent few monts it started to go parabolic. Much worse thsn before

    Probably means nothing, just random glitch. Like many other similisr glitches which are emergimg recently ...

  • dendydendy
    edited April 2021

    @wim said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @NeuM said:
    By the way, if you are directly calling them “criminals and fraudsters” when no such thing has been proven in a court of law, that could be interpreted as legally actionable defamation.

    lol

    It’s a good thing Uli Behringer doesn’t own Coinbase. 😉

    Hm, don't say it loudly. Probably just mater of time he clones it.

  • NeuMNeuM

    How much of a threat is fraud in crypto markets versus the “traditional” sources of fraud and theft?
    https://www.consumerprotect.com/crime-fraud/most-common-types-of-fraud-schemes/

  • richardyotrichardyot

    @dendy said:
    Big companies are purchasing real estates, especially small houses, as investment with free money they got from FED as part of QE 2020/2021.

    Just to correct you: QE is not free money for big companies, from the private sector point of view (ie the big companies) QE is just an asset swap. It goes like this:

    Financial institution has $1million in cash, with which they buy bonds. They swap cash for bonds and their net worth is unchanged.

    The Fed creates $1million of new money (well, reserves strictly speaking), and buys the bonds from the financial institution, which has swapped bonds back for cash, and their net worth is once again unchanged.

    I'm not here to defend QE, because I think it's a dumb policy, but just wanted to clear up that misconception. QE does involve the creation of new reserves, but it doesn't mean free money for big companies.

    QE does inflate asset prices (one of the reasons I don't like it), but not because of the "money printing" aspect, but simply because it removes bonds from circulation, meaning that bond holders then need to find other ways to invest their money and that drives up demand for other asset classes such as stocks and property.

  • dendydendy

    Somebody just bought few bitcoins :open_mouth:

  • dendydendy
    edited May 2021

    some fascinating numbers, in case anybody is interested :-)


    red means Bitcoins leaving exchange. Yesterday 18k BTC leaved exchanges into private wallets.


    Illiquid suply - bitcoins held in private wallets with no history of selling. Increasing.


    21 days average exchange outflow at it's highest value ever.

    Supply is literally sucked out of exchanges to private walets. Serious supply shock is comming. This thing is going to absolutely explode.

  • NeuMNeuM

    That’s interesting, @dendy. But I don’t see a problem there. Large entities are amassing BTC at a record pace to hold as a hedge against inflation. They’re seeing the example set by Michael Saylor, Elon Musk and even the Chinese government and holding in anticipation of hyperinflation thanks to reckless spending worldwide in an attempt to keep their currencies and economies afloat.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @NeuM said:
    That’s interesting, @dendy. But I don’t see a problem there. Large entities are amassing BTC at a record pace to hold as a hedge against inflation. They’re seeing the example set by Michael Saylor, Elon Musk and even the Chinese government and holding in anticipation of hyperinflation thanks to reckless spending worldwide in an attempt to keep their currencies and economies afloat.

    When is this hyperinflation happening? On what scale do you believe it will occur?

    Who are your trusted predictors of this economic crisis?

  • echooperaechoopera
    edited May 2021

    This had a lot to do with expiring options on Apr30th right?
    Article here and elsewhere:
    https://apple.news/AYLpUA460QvKNVZkPWHgaBA

    @dendy are you familiar with Cardano and what’s emerging from them? Just a couple months out from Smart Contracts…deals with Ethiopia and Tanzania…i think what they’re doing in this space is going to be big. I opted to get ADA recently and will be in a state of HODL and acquiring more over the coming months.

    I also find it interesting that funds are selling BTC for a stake in Cardano as well:

    https://decrypt.co/59549/dubai-fund-sells-750-million-of-bitcoin-to-buy-cardano-polkadot

    Follow the money they always say. 🤔

    Crypto is better than going to Vegas…but the food isn’t as good 😜

  • dendydendy
    edited May 2021

    @echoopera
    @dendy are you familiar with Cardano and what’s emerging from them? Just a couple months out from Smart Contracts…deals with Ethiopia and Tanzania…i think what they’re doing in this space is going to be big. I opted to get ADA recently and will be in a state of HODL and acquiring more over the coming months.

    Och Cardano. To be honest, i'm holding my hands away from Cardano. I don't like how Charles Hoskinson acts on twitter and i don't believe in this project - too much promises and still no real product just ghostchain used basically just for staking. Plus he is constantly attacking everybody who has any criticism agains Cardano.

    Additionally, in my opinion this Africa thing makes no sense, to use blockchain for that kind if Use case completely makes no sense to me. Use decentralised blockchain for tracking data which at the end still needs to be entered into system by some cetral authorities. Also disadvantage of blockchain is once you enter some data there with some mistake, you can't fix it, it will stay there forever with mistake. I don't see any advantage of blockchain here, when compared to to traditional centralised relational database. But i may be wrong and i'm just missing something.

    Anyway, if you believe in it, stick with it.It's just my opinion. I just think it's not good in general to bet just on one horse. There was tons of "promising" projects in 2017-2018 (Iota, Eos, Tron) and they all are now shit. So be careful.

    I'm bearish on Cardano, i think there are LOT more interesting and promising smart chains, i put my mid-term investment into Solana and Binance Chain - because Solana is shilled by FTX echnange for example through their Serum project, and Binance is just Binance :)) - biggest exchange in world, with most forward thinking and innovative CEO.

    Also Polkadot is very interesring, but i decided to not have more than 3 smartchains in my mid term portfolio - so my choice was ETH, SOL and BNB.

    Mid term means latest till end of this year. With first signs of near end of current Bitcoin cycle, i sell all of them into Bitcoin :-)) In long term (years) i do not believe in any altcoin. Most of them are trying to solve some real world problem which is easy solvable even without blockchain. And many of them even don't solve any problem lol.

  • dendydendy
    edited May 2021

    @espiegel123
    When is this hyperinflation happening? On what scale do you believe it will occur?

    I don't think we should be worried about hyperinflation of USD in, let's say next 10 years. It will be not that bad. At the end, if things start go too much sideways, US will again attack some mid-east oil rich country to increase peteodollar price theough US warmachine :-)))

    Anyway, serious significant inflation is something which is more and more mentioned even by traditional investors who are big anti-bitcoiners (like Peter Shiff, or even Warren Buffet, also by many big hedge fund CEOs). So it's not some chimera invented by bitcoiners... It's serious concern in financial world.

  • dendydendy
    edited May 2021

    This had a lot to do with expiring options on Apr30th right?

    Expiring options (and Futures) obviously mean high volatility on Bitcoin in day of expiration, but it's more like local anomaly, it doesn't affect overall macro sentiment.

    Traders are often using options as hedge agains spot purchases so yeah, in day of expiestion it may be willd. Lot of opporrunity for gains but also higher risk. I'm avoiding any trades in that day ;)

    This volatility can happen in both directions, but what's result at end of day is very much affected by overall macro mood. Which is bullish now - it was already noticed during last 2-3 weeks of "bear market" (yes, it was really called like that by some mainstream media nad bitcoin opponents lol) that weak hands (small short-term holding address) are selling and strong hands (mostly big addresses with no history of selling) are acumullating. Even miners are accumulating on levels not seen ever before in any previous bullrun.

  • dendydendy

    good one lmao :lol:

  • echooperaechoopera
    edited May 2021

    @dendy thanks for the reply. At this stage I’m looking at this whole domain as nothing more than going to Vegas for a long weekend…and trusting my instincts and reading the tea leaves 🙏🏼

    I find all these projects very interesting so trying to gauge who’s trying to move the needle as they say is a fun exercise.

    I think most of the altcoins stuff is just pump and dump and i feel sorry for the Doge zombies falling in line…just another GameStop scenario which i hope doesn’t end up with Regulators coming in “for the protection of the citizenry”…but time will tell.

    As far as Cardano…so far i like what i am learning about them and their plans. It’s only been a hand full of years since the project went full swing. It will be an interesting Summer 2021 for them. Will they realize their Projects and release the essential parts or will NS2 come to market with AudioTtacks first.

    Either way, life is about hedging and enjoying the process of playing the game 😜

    Be well 👊🏼™️
    HODL+PROSPR

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited May 2021

    @echoopera said:
    @dendy thanks for the reply. At this stage I’m looking at this whole domain as nothing more than going to Vegas for a long weekend…and trusting my instincts and reading the tea leaves 🙏🏼

    I find all these projects very interesting so trying to gauge who’s trying to move the needle as they say is a fun exercise.

    I think most of the altcoins stuff is just pump and dump and i feel sorry for the Doge zombies falling in line…just another GameStop scenario which i hope doesn’t end up with Regulators coming in “for the protection of the citizenry”…but time will tell.

    As far as Cardano…so far i like what i am learning about them and their plans. It’s only been a hand full of years since the project went full swing. It will be an interesting Summer 2021 for them. Will they realize their Projects and release the essential parts or will NS2 come to market with AudioTtacks first.

    Either way, life is about hedging and enjoying the process of playing the game 😜

    Be well 👊🏼™️
    HODL+PROSPR

    I hold about 25 different cryptos (but very little Bitcoin and no Ethereum at this point). New cryptos built on top of and complimentary to existing blockchains (mostly ETH) are leveraging ground already laid and both BTC and ETH are widely accepted as a store of value.

    A number of new cryptos are creating extensions to the underlying tech of BTC and ETH with services which have an opportunity to grow at a far faster pace than their foundations.

    I see Bitcoin and Ethereum as a new gold/silver standard and the new cryptos built on top of them as new stock markets, new banks, new communications hubs, new centers of business.

    Current hodlings* (in no particular order): AMP, COMP, LINK, STORJ, BTC, REN, ZRX, ENJ, LRC, MATIC, ZEC, GRT, INJ, SKL, ALGO, ANKR, XTZ, ATOM, 1INCH, CRV, NKN, XLM, NMR, FORTH, NU

    *I do not give investment advice. Do your own homework. Where can people start investigating? https://coinmarketcap.com/

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