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  • wimwim
    edited May 2021

    @NeuM, I'm not a financial advisor, but if I were you, I'd sell my ATOM and invest in ATOM 2. It's a far better midi sequencer.

  • wimwim
    edited May 2021

    Crypto’s Shadow Currency Surges Past Deposits of Most U.S. Banks
    https://news.yahoo.com/crypto-shadow-currency-surges-past-111500954.html

    (Bloomberg) -- Tether, the crypto stablecoin backed one-for-one by fiat currencies, surpassed $50 billion in circulation, a sum that’s more than the insured deposits at all but 44 of the thousands of U.S. banks....

    Charlie Munger calls bitcoin ‘disgusting and contrary to the interests of civilization’
    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/01/charlie-munger-calls-bitcoin-disgusting-and-contrary-to-the-interests-of-civilization.html

    Berkshire Hathaway Vice Chairman Charlie Munger called bitcoin “disgusting and contrary to the interests of civilization. ...

    I'm so glad we have such a nice polarizing issue to fill the void now that Trump is gone. :D

  • @wim said:
    @NeuM, I'm not a financial advisor, but if I were you, I'd sell my ATOM and invest in ATOM 2. It's a far better midi sequencer.

    Haha!

  • Don’t be blinded by the shiny coin. Put your sights on the Project and HODL to that vision. 🤔

  • Incidentally (and I’m not making any recommendations here) the crypto exchange Gemini is adding DOGE to their lineup. I consider DOGE a total trashcoin, however it currently has a $73 billion market cap and obviously will bring a lot of crypto hodlers to a more reputable exchange this way.

  • edited May 2021

    @echoopera said:
    Don’t be blinded by the shiny coin. Put your sights on the Project and HODL to that vision. 🤔

    But also don't be blinded by nice project webpage and big promises of development team ! I saw tons of failed project in 2017/2018 which were initially very promising, but developers never really delivered working product. Check what was past, what is history of fulfilled promises (especially in terms of timeline). Example: Ethereum is promising transation to PoS for years but still developement even really didn't started - what they have is really just dead chain which is doing nothing just coins are there locked and stacked, but they are years away from working solution.

    It's complicated. You have to try read between lines. For example follow developers on twitter and youtube, and wats what they are posting, what they are saying, how they react especially on criticism, and try follow your instinct.

    An no matter how deep research you make, no matter how much time you spend on carefull selection of projects - then some tik-tok degen absolutely outperforms your portfolio with fucking dogecoin :lol: :lol: :lol:

    After all those years in crypto, i think except of Bitcoin, everything else is pure lottery. Somewhere are chances bigger, somewhere smaller, somewhere is risk bigger, somewhere smaller. But it's all lottery. I see Bitcoin as only one safe heaven in crypto.

    Also justs plain DCA (dollar cost averaging) and long-term hodling outperforms 95% of full-job traders :-)

    @NeuM
    Incidentally (and I’m not making any recommendations here) the crypto exchange Gemini is adding DOGE to their lineup. I consider DOGE a total trashcoin, however it currently has a $73 billion market cap and obviously will bring a lot of crypto hodlers to a more reputable exchange this way.

    My bets are big dump is comming.. i guess at $0.97 whales will dump the shit on heads of Robihood degens :lol: My bets are "buy the rumours sell the news" - in this case 8th may Elon Musk will be on SNL show, all doge degens community is expecting him shilling doge and doge skyrocketing. This is textbook example of "buy the rumours sell the news" so i will hold ready big short on 7th may :lol: Not sure i'll get enough courage to run it, but, let's see...

  • Finally looked into crypto over the weekend. It's been quite a journey. Stinks of group mania to me.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dancing_mania

    Atfer 4-5 days immersion, it feels like the World Cup crossed with the dot-com bubble and a day at the races.

    Who will win? Ask Jeeves or Lycos? Come on HotBot!

    Still, I've put a few beans into Tezos. Planning a long hold for this one. Obviously, this is in no way financial advice.

    If anything, it's to have a foothold for the next boom, if there is one.

    Would like to say that I'm switching it off and turning away, but I'm afraid I can't do that Dave.


  • Altcoins are not for long-term holding. In long term they all go to shit. Just sayin.

  • edited May 2021

    few "promising" super projects from 2018 priced against Bitcoin ... think twice before you decide what you want to hold long-term.




  • @dendy said:

    Altcoins are not for long-term holding. In long term they all go to shit. Just sayin.

    Haha, appreciated ;)

  • edited May 2021

    Nobody should be giving what can be construed as advice on here, but my advice is, stop looking at charts and graphs. Time spent doing that is time taken away from actual making or creating or doing.

  • Or, if you want to look at a chart that behaves in a head-scratching way, look at TomoChain - something odd about that, always has been.

  • edited May 2021

    In the end it’s still about the Project and the long term vision of what is being delivered to the public.

    IMHO ADA, ETH and DOT are laying the foundation for the next internet so it’s a long term game in my opinion.

    I have no interest in quick turn of profit on investment. I’m a long term person. Stuff like DOGE is a distraction and not worth my time since it doesn’t deliver anything of value to the public or humanity.

    HODL+PROSPR is my lens in all of this.

    We are at the early stages of a new Google, Yahoo and Bing emerging on a global level and it’s going to be exciting to see where we end up.

    There’s definitely interesting things happening in the Defi space but i don’t have time to play in this area so I’m just going to stick to my Hodl mindset and see how the Projects emerge and change how we do things.

  • Guys, any advice where to start investing with cryptocurrencies? There are many big exchanges but some of them unreliable, some of them expensive, some of them in China

  • edited May 2021

    @israelite said:
    Guys, any advice where to start investing with cryptocurrencies? There are many big exchanges but some of them unreliable, some of them expensive, some of them in China

    Right now in the US I’m using Coinbase and PayPal since I’m just entering the space.

    Binance US and Crypto.com also seem like good options.

    For wallets i have Coinbase Wallet and Trust.

    This is all i know so far 🤪
    I’m using money i would normally use to buy apps and such to feed this little adventure.

    I’ve been following this guys YouTube channel:
    https://youtube.com/c/CoinBureau

    He seems to do a good job of trying to be objective and offers a long tail view of things in this space…but what do i know. I’m only 2 months in being down this Rabbit Hole. Hahaha

  • edited May 2021

    Sharing some thoughts on the BlockChain space.

    Looking at four Coins to invest in now: ETH, BTC, ADA, DOT

    BTC solely because it was first to crack the universe and show the world what a digital currency is.

    ETH because they were first to market and by 2022 they should be past needing to mine all their worth.

    ADA is on a long roadmap but i am hopeful that they will do some great things once Smart Contracts show up.

    DOT another of the ethereum founders who’s blockchain has a lot of commitment from devs to build on top of them. He’s working on Web3.0 which is big.

    There’s no clear winner…but this reminds me a lot of the early days of Google, Yahoo, Bing…the big difference being that there is so much FOMO nowadays that we all have an idea of their roadmaps and where they are mostly going.

    Great work takes time. As it should. We can’t have what they’re building yesterday. So patience is essential.

    Once the foundations are in place it will be a race to the bottom to get it in to the hands of billions of users. There won’t be one BlockChain either so interoperability is a very important strategic component of all of this.

    That’s my two cents from a month of research on the BlockChain. Hope it’s helpful and insightful…i am recalibrating my perception of it daily as i learn more 😉

    Have wonderful day.

  • @israelite said:
    Guys, any advice where to start investing with cryptocurrencies? There are many big exchanges but some of them unreliable, some of them expensive, some of them in China

    Going with the easiest consumer option over here. It's easy.

  • edited May 2021

    Worth a viewing as he lays it all out for the sensible investor. In other words, a lot of people are blinded by this coin and don’t have a good foundation of big picture thinking:

    Yeah. It’s a bubble. And a bad one at that. 👊🏼™️

  • @israelite said:
    Guys, any advice where to start investing with cryptocurrencies? There are many big exchanges but some of them unreliable, some of them expensive, some of them in China

    I don’t give investing advice, but I use Gemini, which strictly follows all Federal and State regulations in the US. Some of the other exchanges are not as scrupulous.

  • @echoopera said:
    Worth a viewing as he lays it all out for the sensible investor. In other words, a lot of people are blinded by this coin and don’t have a good foundation of big picture thinking:

    Yeah. It’s a bubble. And a bad one at that. 👊🏼™️

    Is DOGE a bubble? Possibly. Is Bitcoin a bubble? Is Ethereum a bubble? The short answer is there are bubbles forming and popping and reforming all the time. Bitcoin and Ethereum have a track record and they’ll be around a while.

  • Investing potentials are a bit of fun in this space - one of the best casinos in town....I was thinking about this blockchain technology. It has it’s benefits, but also are there any downsides to putting all your information on a blockchain for all eternity?
    Who is going to gain the most from all of this? Like moths to a flame.

  • edited May 2021

    @arktek said:
    Investing potentials are a bit of fun in this space - one of the best casinos in town....I was thinking about this blockchain technology. It has it’s benefits, but also are there any downsides to putting all your information on a blockchain for all eternity?
    Who is going to gain the most from all of this? Like moths to a flame.

    We all will in a way. Faster transactions for large purchases like homes, cars. Faster access to health records even in out of network visits. Faster movement through airports on international flights.

    100% validation when buying a Moog Model D from Lithuania in 2046.

    We all win. 😜

  • edited May 2021

    @echoopera said:

    @arktek said:
    Investing potentials are a bit of fun in this space - one of the best casinos in town....I was thinking about this blockchain technology. It has it’s benefits, but also are there any downsides to putting all your information on a blockchain for all eternity?
    Who is going to gain the most from all of this? Like moths to a flame.

    We all will in a way. Faster transactions for large purchases like homes, cars. Faster access to health records even in out of network visits. Faster movement through airports on international flights.

    100% validation when buying a Moog Model D from Lithuania in 2046.

    We all win. 😜

    ...and if the wrong information gets put on there..or someone makes a mistake once in their life...who wins then? But, you're correct, it's great for consumption. All about what we can buy. I get it. Surveillance is all good. Keeps you safe. I'm sure the next line is "That's just the way it's going"...get on board!...there's gold in those hills....Looks like we all have a choice to make or maybe we already have...I see the potential benefits of the technology, but I'm just raising a hand in the middle of the mob to just ask the question. There's a lot of noise out there about how they're all out to do good and quite honestly I don't believe that all of the people behind the creation of this technology are that altruistic.

  • @arktek said:

    @echoopera said:

    @arktek said:
    Investing potentials are a bit of fun in this space - one of the best casinos in town....I was thinking about this blockchain technology. It has it’s benefits, but also are there any downsides to putting all your information on a blockchain for all eternity?
    Who is going to gain the most from all of this? Like moths to a flame.

    We all will in a way. Faster transactions for large purchases like homes, cars. Faster access to health records even in out of network visits. Faster movement through airports on international flights.

    100% validation when buying a Moog Model D from Lithuania in 2046.

    We all win. 😜

    ...and if the wrong information gets put on there..or someone makes a mistake once in their life...who wins then? But, you're correct, it's great for consumption. All about what we can buy. I get it. Surveillance is all good. Keeps you safe. I'm sure the next line is "That's just the way it's going"...get on board!...there's gold in those hills....Looks like we all have a choice to make or maybe we already have...I see the potential benefits of the technology, but I'm just raising a hand in the middle of the mob to just ask the question. There's a lot of noise out there about how they're all out to do good and quite honestly I don't believe that all of the people behind the creation of this technology are that altruistic.

    In the near future, all newborns will be minted as NFTs.

  • edited May 2021

    @arktek said:

    @echoopera said:

    @arktek said:
    Investing potentials are a bit of fun in this space - one of the best casinos in town....I was thinking about this blockchain technology. It has it’s benefits, but also are there any downsides to putting all your information on a blockchain for all eternity?
    Who is going to gain the most from all of this? Like moths to a flame.

    We all will in a way. Faster transactions for large purchases like homes, cars. Faster access to health records even in out of network visits. Faster movement through airports on international flights.

    100% validation when buying a Moog Model D from Lithuania in 2046.

    We all win. 😜

    ...and if the wrong information gets put on there..or someone makes a mistake once in their life...who wins then? But, you're correct, it's great for consumption. All about what we can buy. I get it. Surveillance is all good. Keeps you safe. I'm sure the next line is "That's just the way it's going"...get on board!...there's gold in those hills....Looks like we all have a choice to make or maybe we already have...I see the potential benefits of the technology, but I'm just raising a hand in the middle of the mob to just ask the question. There's a lot of noise out there about how they're all out to do good and quite honestly I don't believe that all of the people behind the creation of this technology are that altruistic.

    I hear you. Had a thought:

    A Vision Of The Block

    Russia and China want BlockChain technology in order to completely control their population and economy. With the Chain owned and operated by the party all truth will be owned and delivered to the population.

    The US and Democratic societies are wanting to let it run its course until they can figure out a way to regulate and control it like a utility. When money is involved those in power seek to control it all through regulation, taxation and bureaucracy.

    The undeveloped world are looking for a solution out of the old way of doing things and see Blockchain as a way forward so they don’t have to deal with the same old systems used in the Western World. They see opportunity and a way out of the Colonial grasp upon their spirits, welfare and minds.

    So in the bigger scheme of things BlockChain represents a schism for humanity which requires a deeply philosophical point of view in regards to how we treat and nurture global citizenry in the 21st Century.

    Humanity.
    Are they a number and a ward of the state, to be controlled like a data point.
    Are they to be manipulated and taxed for their vision and achievements, wings clipped when flying too close to the sun.
    Or do they deserve a voice and be given agency to direct their God given free will in a digital ecosystem?

    This is the crossroad at which we stand.

    Which path do we take?

  • @u0421793 said:
    Nobody should be giving what can be construed as advice on here, but my advice is, stop looking at charts and graphs. Time spent doing that is time taken away from actual making or creating or doing.

    i would suggest to everybody do what they're enjoing and not what other people think they should enjoy.

  • edited May 2021

    @israelite said:
    Guys, any advice where to start investing with cryptocurrencies? There are many big exchanges but some of them unreliable, some of them expensive, some of them in China

    I don 't think it's important where exchange headquarters are located in this global world. Ok naturally i tend to avoid US exchanges because i guess there is higher risk of loosing money because of some stupid regulation, when now US goverment are basically communists :-))) (partially joke)

    Anyway, I use Binance. They have really great iOS app. It's biggest exchange in world, very innovative. A tons of liquidity. CEO is crypto enthusiast which really understand things. Very satisfied.

    Btw Binance runs whole infrastructure on Amazon AWS. So yeah, it's global world, concept of national countries is obsolete.

    Second great exchange is FTX, also founded by famous trader and ceyptoenthusiast Sam Banknan-Fried.

    They both are technologically absolute top noch in business. FTX has also donation fund for charity - which nice
    https://ftx.com/en/foundation

  • @arktek said:
    Investing potentials are a bit of fun in this space - one of the best casinos in town....I was thinking about this blockchain technology. It has it’s benefits, but also are there any downsides to putting all your information on a blockchain for all eternity?
    Who is going to gain the most from all of this? Like moths to a flame.

    Ultimately it's just a different way of storing data, that has one potential advantage over other ways of storing data in that it's distributed rather than held in a central location.

    Does that somehow revolutionise the world? The jury is still out. Do centralised databases have fundamental vulnerabilities that distributed ones avoid? Maybe in theory, but in practice it's not conclusive.

    Other than financial speculation the blockchain has yet to actually offer anything new to the world. Has DeFi been used to finance any real-world projects for example? To build anything real in the physical world? No, it's all just financial instruments which are akin to gambling.

  • edited May 2021

    @richardyot
    Other than financial speculation the blockchain has yet to actually offer anything new to the world. Has DeFi been used to finance any real-world projects for example? To build anything real in the physical world? No, it's all just financial instruments which are akin to gambling.

    this for example: https://ftx.com/en/foundation Real money from crypto profits donated for charity. It's not much but it's example ..

    Also guy i know, who in your terms "spelulates and gambles" with cryptocurencies (in other words trader, same like traders on traditional stock or forex) donated already cash for 5000 trees on this project https://onetreeplanted.org/products/plant-trees .. another one i know dotated $250k from his profits into charity .. Another one started initiative where he and his community pick random musician streaming on Twitch, and if that guy/girl is really good they do donation for him/her... recently some girl streaming performation of her own music got $700k in donations from cryptocomuinity... etc etc .. i can continue with such examples till infinity .. You have no idea how generous and kind are people in cryptocommunity, most of them are deeply thankgul for opportunity to be part of movement which leads to life changing amout of wealth and they are ready for giving.

    DeFi itself is used many people .. i know people who are using for example BlockFi.com as their only bank - they even cancelled traditinal bank accounts cause they are just obsolete and not needed.

    That's about gambling and not use for physical world. Of course if you are considering gambling also traditional stocks or finance markets (which are basically same thing as crypto markets), then that's complete different discussion, which i don't plan to participate ..

  • @dendy I dunno, but I think your post kinda proves my point. A few crypto bros spending their gambling gains is not the same as a real financial infrastructure that actually builds stuff.

    Wall Street, for all its faults, is actually heavily involved in financing real companies that make things, that build things. There is of course a ton of casino-like activities in traditional finance as well, but these happen alongside the original purpose which is to actually finance real projects. DeFi just takes all the bad stuff from Wall St, the casino side, and discards the good.

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