DEVS, can someone please make a PaulStretch AU.

espiegel123

@sonosaurus said:

.... In order to make it available to the public I would need to get both Xenakio's and Nasca Octavian Paul's permission, because they hold the copyright and would need to add a GPL license exception for distribution on the app store.

It really is such a cool piece of classic software... the results are great... take almost anything and turn it into awesome ambient music. Being able to tweak the parameters and hear the results in realtime does make sense... it's just the source input that needs to be pre-recorded or pre-loaded, or manually sampled. I can think of some extensions that would make it auto-sample the latest live input periodically, or on demand use the last X seconds of input retroactively.... but it works because it crossfades the inputs and the output is still smooth.

Fingers-crossed that they give you permission via a different open-source license. I know of a couple of cases where a different open-source license was granted to make an iOS version available of something normally licensed with GNU GPL.

sonosaurus

@espiegel123 said:

@sonosaurus said:

.... In order to make it available to the public I would need to get both Xenakio's and Nasca Octavian Paul's permission, because they hold the copyright and would need to add a GPL license exception for distribution on the app store.

It really is such a cool piece of classic software... the results are great... take almost anything and turn it into awesome ambient music. Being able to tweak the parameters and hear the results in realtime does make sense... it's just the source input that needs to be pre-recorded or pre-loaded, or manually sampled. I can think of some extensions that would make it auto-sample the latest live input periodically, or on demand use the last X seconds of input retroactively.... but it works because it crossfades the inputs and the output is still smooth.

Fingers-crossed that they give you permission via a different open-source license. I know of a couple of cases where a different open-source license was granted to make an iOS version available of something normally licensed with GNU GPL.

They can keep it GPL, they just need to add an exception clause. I’ve done the same for SonoBus, since I am the copyright holder.

NoiseFloored

@sonosaurus sorry for the tangent, but software licensing and its relationship with the App Store has always been confusing to me. The problem with porting, say, Surge to iOS is not that it's licensed under GLPv3, but rather that it would be necessary to get an exception clause from all the contributors that've worked on it in the past, right?

sonosaurus

@NoiseFloored said:
@sonosaurus sorry for the tangent, but software licensing and its relationship with the App Store has always been confusing to me. The problem with porting, say, Surge to iOS is not that it's licensed under GLPv3, but rather that it would be necessary to get an exception clause from all the contributors that've worked on it in the past, right?

That’s the gist of it, in my not-a-lawyer’s understanding. So software with fewer contributors and dependencies is easier.

Krupa

@sonosaurus said:

@NoiseFloored said:
@sonosaurus sorry for the tangent, but software licensing and its relationship with the App Store has always been confusing to me. The problem with porting, say, Surge to iOS is not that it's licensed under GLPv3, but rather that it would be necessary to get an exception clause from all the contributors that've worked on it in the past, right?

That’s the gist of it, in my not-a-lawyer’s understanding. So software with fewer contributors and dependencies is easier.

Yeah, this is why blender 3d is likely forever locked out of the App Store, dozens, maybe even hundreds of contributors over the decades, and only takes one to refuse permission…

NoiseFloored

@sonosaurus @Krupa thanks! I think I've always confused licensing and copyright. I usually see the assertion "if it's GPL then it can't be in the App Store" which doesn't really help with understanding the real issue.

espiegel123

@NoiseFloored said:
@sonosaurus @Krupa thanks! I think I've always confused licensing and copyright. I usually see the assertion "if it's GPL then it can't be in the App Store" which doesn't really help with understanding the real issue.

The short version, as I understand it, is that the GPL license says there can be no encumbrance to distribution of a software published under the GPL license. For example, if you download the app, there can't be an impediment to you giving the app to someone. Since the App Store has DRM even for free software, any app on the app store violates that license because you can't distribute apps you download to other people. Others have to go through the app store.

NeonSilicon

@NoiseFloored said:
@sonosaurus @Krupa thanks! I think I've always confused licensing and copyright. I usually see the assertion "if it's GPL then it can't be in the App Store" which doesn't really help with understanding the real issue.

It is the incompatibility of the App Store with the GPL that stops devs from porting GPL'ed software to iOS. So, it is the license that is the issue. The copyright angle is that if you can get everyone that holds a copyright on the code to agree to a new license, then it can be distributed on the App Store under the new license. That's going to be hard to do for lots of GPL projects because many devs work on projects with GPL specifically because the license stops the code from being used on closed systems.

sonosaurus

@NeonSilicon said:

@NoiseFloored said:
@sonosaurus @Krupa thanks! I think I've always confused licensing and copyright. I usually see the assertion "if it's GPL then it can't be in the App Store" which doesn't really help with understanding the real issue.

It is the incompatibility of the App Store with the GPL that stops devs from porting GPL'ed software to iOS. So, it is the license that is the issue. The copyright angle is that if you can get everyone that holds a copyright on the code to agree to a new license, then it can be distributed on the App Store under the new license. That's going to be hard to do for lots of GPL projects because many devs work on projects with GPL specifically because the license stops the code from being used on closed systems.

That's why the easiest way forward is usually to append an "app store distribution" exception clause to the existing GPL license, because all the other parts of it are still valid (all the guaranteed and viral access to source code, etc), assuming everyone involved agrees.

I'll start reaching out, but like I said, it needs a fair bit of work to make it completely usable on iOS... so my name will have to go onto the copyright list too

sonosaurus

Here's a 55 minute piece stretched up 10x from a 5 minute doodle I did a long time ago testing out a virtual orchestra plugin suite (GPO). This version is a lot cooler than the original, which I won't post. Instant ambient album!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tz8quk4syd5y3ia/GPOStretch.m4a?dl=1

Svetlovska

@sonosaurus : glad to see your interest, fingers crossed your reaching out bears fruit. Just about to give your ‘instant ambient album’ a whirl…

echoopera

@sonosaurus good luck and many thanks in advance for your effort. 👊🏼™️ FWIW, maybe a show of good faith would be to get it working for Monterey and M1 devices on the desktop so they’d be more agreeable to modifying the GPL for an iOS port 😉

Really love your stretched out track you posted. Soothing glory 🙏🏼💕

shinyisshiny

@sonosaurus said:
Here's a 55 minute piece stretched up 10x from a 5 minute doodle I did a long time ago testing out a virtual orchestra plugin suite (GPO). This version is a lot cooler than the original, which I won't post. Instant ambient album!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tz8quk4syd5y3ia/GPOStretch.m4a?dl=1

this track is awesome so far. thanks for sharing. ill be using it for my meditation tonight. best of luck in your quest, if theres anything we can do to help please let us know.

celtic_elk

Just for fun, a recent video on the Paulstretch desktop plugin from one of the music YTers I follow:

celtic_elk

@sonosaurus said:
Here's a 55 minute piece stretched up 10x from a 5 minute doodle I did a long time ago testing out a virtual orchestra plugin suite (GPO). This version is a lot cooler than the original, which I won't post. Instant ambient album!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tz8quk4syd5y3ia/GPOStretch.m4a?dl=1

Wow. That's awesome.

mojozart

PaulStretch featured prominently by Ken Marshall

Thelast27

@sonosaurus

Just dropping in to ask if you'd had any further development on the licensing for Paulstretch?

Would love to see this out in the open on an iPad!

Cheers!

sonosaurus

@Thelast27 said:
@sonosaurus

Just dropping in to ask if you'd had any further development on the licensing for Paulstretch?

Would love to see this out in the open on an iPad!

Nope, it's crickets over here after trying to contact them....

el_bo

Definitely surprised that in all these years Paulstretch hasn't had any real imitators. There seems to be quite a few recent challengers to the OTT throne, yet PS remains pretty unique. Same goes for Mark Lingk's TimeFreezer.

waka_x

@sonosaurus:
I know Paul (he is romanian like me:)
try to contact him again here:

nascapaul AT gmail DOT com (primary email address)
or
nascapaul AT yahoo DOT com

if he doesnt answer, I will try to contact him too and see whats what...

Model10000

This is really missed on iOS. Hope you can connect with him.

sonosaurus

Ok, Paul has given his permission, now I need to get Xenakios… so one down, one to go!

rs2000

@sonosaurus said:
Ok, Paul has given his permission, now I need to get Xenakios… so one down, one to go!

Thanks once again for taking the challenge!!

maxwellhouser

@sonosaurus said:
Ok, Paul has given his permission, now I need to get Xenakios… so one down, one to go!

This is great. Thank you for this and thanks to this thread for inspiring me to go on a paulxstretch bender

david_2017

Wow, I didnt expect to see this... Would absolutely love to play around with paulstretch on iOS as AUv3 plugin. @sonosaurus thank you for your time investing in this. Fingers crossed this will be released somehow soon and love and welcomed by many!!!

Svetlovska

Oh, I could get very excited for this. I absolutely love Paulstretch, but it’s a faff creating something on Mac and then porting the wav over, so it doesn’t get used nearly enough by me. An iPad version would be very heaven…

el_bo

@sonosaurus said:
Ok, Paul has given his permission, now I need to get Xenakios… so one down, one to go!

Will have to try and contain my glee until you have full confirmation. but you've already managed to get closer than I'd have expected. Fingers crossed this might end up becoming a reality.

Thanks for the update

sonosaurus

@echoopera said:
@sonosaurus good luck and many thanks in advance for your effort. 👊🏼™️ FWIW, maybe a show of good faith would be to get it working for Monterey and M1 devices on the desktop so they’d be more agreeable to modifying the GPL for an iOS port 😉

Thanks for the reminder... I can at least do that for you folks to try out...

echoopera

@sonosaurus said:

@echoopera said:
@sonosaurus good luck and many thanks in advance for your effort. 👊🏼™️ FWIW, maybe a show of good faith would be to get it working for Monterey and M1 devices on the desktop so they’d be more agreeable to modifying the GPL for an iOS port 😉

Thanks for the reminder... I can at least do that for you folks to try out...

Anything to help the cause

Good luck moving forward.

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