Drambo - this was just posted on Facebook

wim

@Lorichs said:

@Fingolfinzz said:
Will the update support launchpads for the clip launching like loopy does or is that something that can’t be revealed yet

I try to keep all my controllers bluetooth so i don’t have a launchpad. But lets say that the bluetooth launchpad is released. Would two way comunication be possible?

I have been wondering about this for a while. Mainly because one of my biggest science fiction dreams is to have a bluetooth AUV3 controller software so that the controller setup can be state saved like any other AU.

Bluetooth or no Bluetooth makes no difference. Once a BLE Midi connection is established, the device is seen by iOS exactly like a wired connection. So yes, two way communication is possible, just like any other device. The two relevant factors are whether or not the device handles midi feedback and whether or not the host or app sends it.

I wrote a Mozaic script for controllers that accept midi "bounce-back" to set their state. By bounce-back I mean, they accept the same value to set the state of their controls that they send. So, for instance if a continuous controller sends CC 20 and has a LED ring, if you send CC 20 to it, it will update the LED ring.

The script goes between the controller and what it's controlling. It remembers the last values sent to it. When you restart the session it dumps these back to the controller to set the knobs. This provides a form of state saving for controllers that can handle it. I don't know if that fills the need you mentioned, but it's there to try out if you like.

https://patchstorage.com/controller-feedback-and-restore/

espiegel123

@wim said:

@Lorichs said:

@Fingolfinzz said:
Will the update support launchpads for the clip launching like loopy does or is that something that can’t be revealed yet

I try to keep all my controllers bluetooth so i don’t have a launchpad. But lets say that the bluetooth launchpad is released. Would two way comunication be possible?

I have been wondering about this for a while. Mainly because one of my biggest science fiction dreams is to have a bluetooth AUV3 controller software so that the controller setup can be state saved like any other AU.

Bluetooth or no Bluetooth makes no difference. Once a BLE Midi connection is established, the device is seen by iOS exactly like a wired connection. So yes, two way communication is possible, just like any other device. The two relevant factors are whether or not the device handles midi feedback and whether or not the host or app sends it.

I wrote a Mozaic script for controllers that accept midi "bounce-back" to set their state. By bounce-back I mean, they accept the same value to set the state of their controls that they send. So, for instance if a continuous controller sends CC 20 and has a LED ring, if you send CC 20 to it, it will update the LED ring.

The script goes between the controller and what it's controlling. It remembers the last values sent to it. When you restart the session it dumps these back to the controller to set the knobs. This provides a form of state saving for controllers that can handle it. I don't know if that fills the need you mentioned, but it's there to try out if you like.

https://patchstorage.com/controller-feedback-and-restore/

it isn’t quite true that the device is seen exactly as it is by a physical connection. I don’t know about the commercial adapters, but I know that the raspberry out script that I cribbed from to make it a Bluetooth adapter, did not preserve port names and it assumed one port per usb connection. It required some extra scripting to handle multi-port devices. If I recall, my solution preserved the number of ports but not the names (which at that time weren’t relevant to my case).

I am curious what the commercial adapters do.

rs2000

@uncledave said:
@rs2000 . I just took a look at the Yamaha UD-BT01. I see that it's wired to a USB-B connector on the keyboard, presumably with a short cable. But it has to be connected to a USB-A power source. This means you have freedom of motion with Bluetooth, but you're wired to the wall (or battery or powered hub). Is that true? Does it at least supply power to the keyboard? I'm surprised at this wired requirement from a wireless adapter. It seems simpler to just connect to a CCK or USB hub.

Yes, it only really makes sense to use it with a flat USB power bank attached to the Launchpad. With or without the BT adapter, you'll need to power the Launchpad anyway.

Also, I notice that some reviewers on Amazon don't realize that BT MIDI is a special thing where an app initiates the connection. Yamaha mention that on their web page, but it's focused on Yamaha gear and Yamaha apps, so it's not as clear as it could be. I'm aware of this because I've seen the BT MIDI option in the settings of many apps, even though I don't use it.

It also works with non-Yamaha apps. You'll want to use the Yamaha UD-BT01 iOS utility app though to rename the BT MIDI port and to update the firmware if applicable.

@espiegel123 said:

@rs2000 said:

@Gravitas said:

@rs2000 said:

@Lorichs said:

@Fingolfinzz said:
Will the update support launchpads for the clip launching like loopy does or is that something that can’t be revealed yet

I try to keep all my controllers bluetooth so i don’t have a launchpad. But lets say that the bluetooth launchpad is released. Would two way comunication be possible?

I have been wondering about this for a while. Mainly because one of my biggest science fiction dreams is to have a bluetooth AUV3 controller software so that the controller setup can be state saved like any other AU.

Yes, BT MIDI allows for bidirectional communication. I've already used my old Launchpad Mini with a BT MIDI "converter".
Parameter feedback like illuminated pads won't be part of the next big Drambo update though, you'd have to implement LED control yourself using MIDI modules like @Gravitas already did a while ago.

BT midi converter?
Could that be used together with the LP X?

Yes. Examples are the Yamaha UD-BT01

or a repurposed Raspberry Pi Zero W like @wim had documented here:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/41641/show-n-tell-raspberry-pi-ble-midi-bridge-thingy/p1

Also another way would to repurpose an old iphone but again
it would require having another adapter cable but it is doable.
I use an old iphone SE for my Line 6 FBV express mkii in this way.

Sure!

It must be noted that for a device like a launchpad publishes two or more midi ports, Bluetooth adapters can be problematic in use cases where hosts expect to see specific port names. I hacked together a Bluetooth midi adapter with a raspberry pi and I can’t recall if I managed to solve the naming issue.

I don’t know what the commercial solutions do in that case.

Interesting. My Launchpad only publishes one MIDI port and it works as I'd expected.

Gravitas

@rs2000

Interesting. My Launchpad only publishes one MIDI port and it works as I'd expected.

Both my Launchpad X and LaunchControl XL publish two ports each.
One is for “normal” mode and the other is for DAW or HUI mode.

espiegel123

@Gravitas said:
@rs2000

Interesting. My Launchpad only publishes one MIDI port and it works as I'd expected.

Both my Launchpad X and LaunchControl XL publish two ports each.
One is for “normal” mode and the other is for DAW or HUI mode.

Also LaunchPad Pros (at least the mk2 and mk3) and all Launchkeys

espiegel123

@rs2000 : re the Launchpad multiple ports. You might only notice the lack of ports if you are using an app that makes use of them (for things like session mode use).

rs2000

@espiegel123 said:
@rs2000 : re the Launchpad multiple ports. You might only notice the lack of ports if you are using an app that makes use of them (for things like session mode use).

Well all I can say is that I'm able to send LED updates and receive MIDI notes with my LP Mini over that single port.

espiegel123

@rs2000 said:

@espiegel123 said:
@rs2000 : re the Launchpad multiple ports. You might only notice the lack of ports if you are using an app that makes use of them (for things like session mode use).

Well all I can say is that I'm able to send LED updates and receive MIDI notes with my LP Mini over that single port.

That is fine for situations where one isn't making use of the sessionmode and custom templates with two way communication. For the two port devices (which I think includes LP mini mk 2 and mk3), you would miss out on the functionality tied to the other port. (Such as clip launching with accurate button feedback in Loopy Pro, LK and Atom and custom functionality in other apps that make use of the special features used by the other port)

espiegel123

@rs2000 : which LP Mini do you have? I'd be curious to see if you plug it in via USB if you see one or two ports.

Lorichs

Thank @wim and @rs2000
The reason i ask is that my korgnanokontrol an cme allways need a wired BT connection for setup.

I just want the mute and solo buttons to light up in “sync” with the state of the mute and solo buttons in AUM and/or Drambo.

I been looking on different forums now. I seems like it can’t be done with Korg nanokontrol studio.
But thanks for the script @wim. I may be handy on a future controller 😊

rs2000

@espiegel123 said:
@rs2000 : which LP Mini do you have? I'd be curious to see if you plug it in via USB if you see one or two ports.

The Mini 2. Connected via USB it also shows only one MIDI port.
Do you see 2 ports on iOS?

espiegel123

@rs2000 said:

@espiegel123 said:
@rs2000 : which LP Mini do you have? I'd be curious to see if you plug it in via USB if you see one or two ports.

The Mini 2. Connected via USB it also shows only one MIDI port.
Do you see 2 ports on iOS?

I don’t have a mini. I have a launch key mini mk 2 an LPX. Both have two ports via USB. One for regular midi , the other for DAW/Session/programming mode communication.

vasilymilovidov

I’ve just figured out that I can use drambo as a plugin in reaper…

Gravitas

@vasilymilovidov said:
I’ve just figured out that I can use drambo as a plugin in reaper…

Now that’s good to know.

My DAW of choice on both Mac and PC is Reaper.

Grandbear

@0tolerance4silence said:
Out of curiosity...
What type of modules would you guys like to see in the future?
What modules would help you to utilise Drambo?

Feel free to go nuts...
describe exact functionality, or just drop an existing product that tickles your fancy... a single missing piece or a list...
You may also put a price tag (if any) in the comment, regarding what would you consider fair (IAP)

I may start a poll later based on your input to figure out priorities.
Help shape D!

A bit late to the party, but I would really like a looper/circular buffer kind of module, basically a Flexi Sampler with these additions:

• Being able to set the buffer length ahead of recording
• Being able to keep recording after one pass
• Bonus: a decay or feedback setting that specifies how much of the recorded signal gets preserved after each pass
• Extra bonus: make the play and record heads independent of each other

I wouldn't mind if such a module wasn't polyphonic

rs2000

@Grandbear said:

@0tolerance4silence said:
Out of curiosity...
What type of modules would you guys like to see in the future?
What modules would help you to utilise Drambo?

Feel free to go nuts...
describe exact functionality, or just drop an existing product that tickles your fancy... a single missing piece or a list...
You may also put a price tag (if any) in the comment, regarding what would you consider fair (IAP)

I may start a poll later based on your input to figure out priorities.
Help shape D!

A bit late to the party, but I would really like a looper/circular buffer kind of module, basically a Flexi Sampler with these additions:

• Being able to set the buffer length ahead of recording
• Being able to keep recording after one pass
• Bonus: a decay or feedback setting that specifies how much of the recorded signal gets preserved after each pass
• Extra bonus: make the play and record heads independent of each other

I wouldn't mind if such a module wasn't polyphonic

We've discussed exactly this in our beta team a while ago and while it won't be part of the next big release, chances are that such a looper will find its way into Drambo in a future release.

Grandbear

@rs2000 said:

@Grandbear said:

@0tolerance4silence said:
Out of curiosity...
What type of modules would you guys like to see in the future?
What modules would help you to utilise Drambo?

Feel free to go nuts...
describe exact functionality, or just drop an existing product that tickles your fancy... a single missing piece or a list...
You may also put a price tag (if any) in the comment, regarding what would you consider fair (IAP)

I may start a poll later based on your input to figure out priorities.
Help shape D!

A bit late to the party, but I would really like a looper/circular buffer kind of module, basically a Flexi Sampler with these additions:

• Being able to set the buffer length ahead of recording
• Being able to keep recording after one pass
• Bonus: a decay or feedback setting that specifies how much of the recorded signal gets preserved after each pass
• Extra bonus: make the play and record heads independent of each other

I wouldn't mind if such a module wasn't polyphonic

We've discussed exactly this in our beta team a while ago and while it won't be part of the next big release, chances are that such a looper will find its way into Drambo in a future release.

Nice, I'm glad it's not just me that would find it useful

cian

@vasilymilovidov said:
I’ve just figured out that I can use drambo as a plugin in reaper…

How? Is this an M1 thing, or using it on your iPad?

rs2000

@cian said:

@vasilymilovidov said:
I’ve just figured out that I can use drambo as a plugin in reaper…

How? Is this an M1 thing, or using it on your iPad?

M1.
Although I wouldn't mind having Reaper on the iPad 😁

cian

Damn. I hope that M1 arrives soon...

RajahP

@rs2000 said:

@RajahP said:

@wim said:

@RajahP said:
A great app as MidiStep remains incomplete.. sad.. (Auv3)..

I don’t understand what you mean. Incomplete how?

It has limited CC/Parameter controls (just 3).. should be 8.
Randomizer (the IAA has a pretty decent one), Scaled Keyboard and a decent browser for saving files between host.
Oh, and the Key/Scale transposer as in his MidiDREAMs Seq..

Would be interesting to see steps skipping and repeating in Drambo.. Don’t think it does currently..

It does: Add the Jump condition to any step and you can adjust the step to jump to.

Edit.. that Key/Scale transposer in MidiDREAMs is classic..

How does it work?

@rs2000 said:

@RajahP said:

@wim said:

@RajahP said:
A great app as MidiStep remains incomplete.. sad.. (Auv3)..

I don’t understand what you mean. Incomplete how?

It has limited CC/Parameter controls (just 3).. should be 8.
Randomizer (the IAA has a pretty decent one), Scaled Keyboard and a decent browser for saving files between host.
Oh, and the Key/Scale transposer as in his MidiDREAMs Seq..

Would be interesting to see steps skipping and repeating in Drambo.. Don’t think it does currently..

It does: Add the Jump condition to any step and you can adjust the step to jump to.

Edit.. that Key/Scale transposer in MidiDREAMs is classic..

How does it work?

Had a play with Drambo StepSeq... It is definitely a replacement for MidiStep...

Waiting for that update...

Thanks..

monomatik

I guess the update we're all waiting for will come on the second anniversary of Drambo's release, which is April 1st. What do you think?

Michael_R_Grant

@monomatik said:
I guess the update we're all waiting for will come on the second anniversary of Drambo's release, which is April 1st. What do you think?

Whenever it is, it's going to blow you away. Promise.

RajahP

@Michael_R_Grant said:

@monomatik said:
I guess the update we're all waiting for will come on the second anniversary of Drambo's release, which is April 1st. What do you think?

Whenever it is, it's going to blow you away. Promise.

Like what?

With over a two month setback… It has to be, Special.. can’t wait..

Edit.. looking forward to that StepSeq and Piano-roll.

Edit again.. Putting MidiSTEPs into retirement.. upon release..

Fingolfinzz

I longingly check everyday for the update. Usually multiple times a day. I’ll probably have a heart attack the day it shows up

rs2000

I can imagine that the wait can be exhausting.
On the positive side, while fixing bugs, some new features are still sneaking in here and there.

MichaelRocketship

I was guessing another April Fools.

(I’d also be happy with sooner!)

Model10000

This one has been a damn hard wait. In the meantime, there’s still goodies regularly posted on patchstorage that make it feel like a new app.

BroCoast

@rs2000 said:
I can imagine that the wait can be exhausting.
On the positive side, while fixing bugs, some new features are still sneaking in here and there.

Eek,

I hope not too many new features.

Samu

Define 'Too Many'