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A small tweak to the Mozaic script could be useful, too. If the different rings in the sequencer each get routed out to different midi channels (I don't have it yet, but I assume this is how it would be done) then the Mozaic script can check for the channels and apply a different note length to each channel. Could use four knobs then, one knob to tweak length of each channel. You wouldn't want a long note length for a ring that was striking every event; the notes would run together, unlikely to sound good. But for a ring where just a handful of event slots are filled, long notes (maybe even overlapping notes) might work great. Or maybe this is the gist of what Paul is already adding. . . .
I'm not sure how to use the 4 Pockets one...but here I am having some fun with the Drambo Eucledian sequencer, ChordJam and Bleass OmegaFM:
Sounds nice for a background. Seems like it would be a challenge to make a song out of it. I'm g> @CapnWillie said:
I'm guessing it would pair well with Rhythmbud as well.
Yeah. It’s relative of course. I was just showing how flexible the Eucledian sequencer is in Drambo.
I bet i could fit it into a song if i really wanted to 😉
Yeah. The UI definitely needs some love for these apps. Conceptually they are great but using them is kind of like picking between different weights of inkjet printer paper.
Come on. We’ve all done that right?
Ha. Speaking of dbo. Go 49ers! Deebo Deebo!!!!👊🏼™️
As an iPad musician I’ll always go for the underdog. 🙏🏼💕
I know you could; wasn’t throwing shade my brother.
All good brother. Just challenging myself 👊🏼™️
Yes... that's Paul is implementing it: a "Gate" for each channel. I will wait for the update to
test how long it allows the "note length" to be extended. I'll keep your suggestion in mind until I can test it.
Currently, the "delay" (to create extra length) is being applied to all 4 channels. It typically makes it sound like an orchestra with multiple instances of many instruments.
Sold. All that would take quite a lot of patching to do with miRack, Drambo, or Rozeta. Tres cool.
Really cool, in many ways. But no shuffle and very, very limited scale selection. No?
Plus being able to set min max for things like velocity randomisation would be great. I tested a beta, so maybe these have been added, if not, they would be good additions
I don’t really see how shuffle could be applied when patterns can be odd lengths such as 13 steps with 5 triggers, playing against patterns that could be just as odd in different ways. Maybe it could work, but I can’t picture it.
As for scales, it’s the first Euclidean sequencer I’ve seen that has any, so it doesn’t bother me. There are plenty of easy ways around that.
Pretty neat, finally had a chance to play. Are AU parameters for each of playheads coming?
It is possible to have swing on a Euclidean sequencer but it has to be applied globally to all 8th, 16th, or 32nd step (usually with a 4/4 meter, other meters work but some will end up sounding janky with heavily swung settings).
Here's one of my favorite Max for Live (Ableton) Euclidean sequencers with swing. The purple lane, directly under the 4 seq lanes controls swing, accent, and velocity. In general, I prefer clock face UI's on Euclidean sequencers but this breaks the mold in a very successful manner. Best £10I've spent on a M4L device (the price has since gone up to £25 but the device goes so much further than its Euclidean components it’s still worth the asking price).
https://cdm.link/2020/02/strokes-euclidean-drum-sequencer-max-for-live/
Ref Strokes (the Max for Live device). If you go to the YouTube page the designer has a playlist that shows the evolution of Strokes over time. There are a lot of ideas that could easily apply to the 4Pockets Euclidean sequencer. I particularly like the pattern crossfader, which is an awesome performance tool. But it’s equally valid for creative exploration (recording the MIDI performance on a secondary track).
I like this guys take on the "Euclidean Groovebox":
The one thing I question is enforcing Euclidean distributions... I'd prefer an option to define the smallest allowed interval between notes and then use randomness within that constraint.
It would be nice to see Paul add "shift" since that's a pretty popular trend in modern bass and drum loops to avoid really strict attention to the clock but to create this tension.
Another constraint that follows from the Euclidean approach is that all the tracks have a note on beat ONE. A drummer would never do that... the convention might be kick and cymbal but rarely snare, clap, toms, etc "all together now". Emphasizing ONE is the focus of the most lame forms of traditional western music (i.e. whiteness). This would be easy to fix... just have a toggle for "play on one" for each track or touch the "dot" to turn it off (or on for that matter to by/pass the Euclidean "rules").
I do hope Paul sells a ton of this app everytime he pushes out an update with some of these additional features and his app gets closer to the type of sounds coming out of "strokes"... have a great collection of unique samples is also key to sounding more like Strokes. We should pick a good app to use as a target for the 4 essential notes of page 1.
@McD When your starting inspiration for your app/device is Jaki Liebezeit, the drummer with Can, you're starting in a very good place. I love this quote from the intro of Jaki's Wiki page -
That pretty much sums up Strokes too. The developer created Strokes after reading Jaki Liebezeit: Life, Theory and Practice of a Master Drummer.
In many ways, I put Can and Fela Kuti on the same pedestal. The 15+ minute jams, that hold a groove but somehow never sound repetitive are what enraptured me when I first heard them way back when. Their grooves were equally hypnotic, driving, and the very definition of funky.
The thing that elevates Strokes beyond the 'me too' world of Euclidean step sequencers, is that it thinks beyond its Euclidean bedrock whilst not losing sight of what makes Euclidean sequencers so essential.
There's so much packed into Strokes for Paul to think about. But I still think that some advanced features might find a better home in NuRack, once Paul's added the core Euclidean sequencer. NuRack is probably my most used 4Pockets app but the MIDI side of things needs a few more modules. It has the potential to be a powerful modular MIDI playground with a richer palette of MIDI-focused modules.
Thanks... I just finished a 30 minute video tour of Krautrock and some of Jaki's collaborations. "You have to play monotonous." He really mines the possibilities of ostinatos
effectively. Very good inspiration for a patterned drum app.
Is there a history of Paul moving external app code into NuRack. I bought it and haven't been using it. Does he keep adding modules?
Is that different to the "rotate" function?
Here's some of Nurack version history for roughly the last year. I tried to put relevant improvements in bold:
Version History
1.47
Jan 4, 2022
Added a Mid/Side Splitter and Mid/Side Mixer.
These two modules work together to first split an audio signals MID and SIDE band components and later recombine thw two back into a stereo image. You can then add additional effects to either the MID or SIDE bands to create some nice spacial sounds. Adding a Reverb to the SIDE band is great for adding ambience to a mix without saturating the MID's.
1.45
Sep 8, 2021
Added a new Stereo Remix module.
1.44
Jun 30, 2021
v1.44
Fixes an issue on smaller screen devices which prevented access to options due to screen size.
Other minor fixes.
v1.43
Added a new phase inverter module.
Added an invert stereo module.
1.43
Jun 10, 2021
v1.42
Added a new Chord to MIDI module. This takes an incoming note combination and transforms into other MIDI Note/CC/PC messages.
1.42
May 21, 2021
v1.42
Added velocity and the ability to recognise chord variations to the Chord to MIDI module.
v1.41
Added a new Chord to MIDI module. This takes an incoming note combination and transforms into other MIDI Note/CC/PC messages.
v1.40
Fixed an issue that occasionally caused a crash when launching the Spectrum Analyser.
1.39
Apr 22, 2021
Added a new module to display MIDI Clock/Time.
Fixed a menu display issue.
1.37
Apr 4, 2021
v1.37
Fixed an issue with Pitch Bend module limits
Added new options to MIDI monitor.
1.35
Mar 10, 2021
Added a CC Generator module that can be driven using the automation tools.
Added a Pitch Bend module.
Added a new MIDI CC Monitor module.
1.33
Jan 8, 2021
Upgraded Formant Filter Module, now allows you to customize up to 5 formants.
Fixed an issue with the Visual LFO which occasionally stopped working due to an uninitialised variable.
1.32
Jan 6, 2021
Added a new MIDI Remap module. This can be used to map MIDI CC values and MIDI Note On/Off values from one channel to another or from one value to another.
1.31
Dec 11, 2020
Added a new MIDI Modulation module that allows incoming MIDI notes to trigger an ADSR which can be used to modulate other components or synths using CC values.
Wow. I should check out these new features (NOTE TO SELF: and buy Neon).
Yeah, wow. I had no idea…
Gratuitous racism and bad musicology. Emphasizing the one is the root of the most rhythmically sophisticated world musics. That said, the option to one-drop would be good.
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sorry for the whiteness …of his bass ?
I wrote: "I Like in this sequencer... everyone in the band plays ONE?"
No. The Rotation knob can slide any or all the rings off of the One event.
It appears that the max "Gate" time is about 2 seconds... pretty good for but
crazy ambient purposes it's nice to have the Mozaic script to add even more time.
My friend, you have much joy ahead of you in discovering the classical music of India. Also keep in mind that the one-drop only works because of the super salience of the one.
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The midi timing in all these 4pocket apps are a problem to me. They sound quantized/static even with a shuffle on it😂
its not tight. Its not groovy.
The resolution of the midi is simply meh.
And very unintuitive and overcomplicated UX design in general. Just my 2 cents. I bought many of them. Never use them. Wont buy them.
+1 Patterning auv3 please.