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The wave folders have me pretty interested too. I have the Neutron in a 19" rack now with a couple of other modular bits and a bunch of slots for guitar related stuff. I'm thinking that I may have to pull the guitar stuff and put the Proton in instead. The two together seem like they would make for a pretty good base for a relatively cheap kind a weird modular system.
Yeah, I have a Neutron as well. It plays really well with modular & semi modular setups. Proton adds tons of modulators with 2 envelopes, 2 (limited) function gens, and 2 lfos (with one shot mode!), as well as the oscillators which can go down to lfo rates, or be used as FM sources. Also, the oscillators can now be set to either linear or exponential FM this time, which is awesome. Neutron only had exponential.
To me, it seems like the Neutron is a better 'support' synth, with the lag, s&h, sum, and CV-able attenuators. And of course FX like distortion and delay.
The Proton provides lots of 'parts' like VCFs, VCAs, envelopes, LFOs, and wavefolder. But the utilities don't go quite as far as Neutron.
As much as I hate to say it, the Crave would make a great supplement to any semi modular setup. The CV-able crossfader / mixer gets lots of milage, and the 'Assign' output has some cool functions tied to the sequencer. The sequencer itself can be automated in fun ways with the CV inputs for start, reset, and hold.
Here's a better pic, the dust gives it away for real haha
Interesting, thanks for all the details and analysis! I'm coming at this from the angle of only having a couple of modules outside of the Neutron, so what you've described here is very helpful.
My son has a Crave. I may have to "borrow" it for a couple of days to play with it.
Hmm? I'm thinking that dust is too good. Maybe they ran it through iZOTOPE Trash 2 on a vinyl preset or something
I completely forgot about that.
You know it's authentic because Uli even stole the horizontal blue stripes!
This mini synth idea keeps getting more interesting!
For me the analog circuitry is what really catches me, I’ve been wanting a low cost, polyphonic, desktop analog synth… I’ve been looking at Dreadbox Nymphes, but these price points can’t be beat! Jupiter chords with Saturn and Oberheim chords with UB-1 connected to one of MIDI keyboards is music to my ears
Ahh these Soul and Spirit line of synths aren’t polyphonic. They’re paraphonic, with a paraphonic ‘voice’ count equal to the number of oscillators. Behringer confirmed this the other day. They’re just using a slightly liberal definition of polyphony, which can be a bit misleading.
So yeah, you can play more than one note, but all voices are routed through a single filter and VCA, Volca Keys style.
That might be a mock-up, but it's not a rendering.
It's like a pedal effect sized synth. LOL.
Gotcha, still intriguing…
I'm kinda just joking about them being renders now because they are coming so fast. Maybe a bunch of production samples? Seems like they could turn those around relatively quickly since they own the factory.
They manufacture in China, so I'm pretty sure they don't own the factory. I don't think China allows that generally. At least that was the understanding I got from my time over there (many years ago).
UPDATE: Just looked this up... Tesla is maybe the only company manufacturing in China which owns their factory. I'd like to see that contract.
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/09/27/teslas-100-american-owned-factory-in-china-is-a-big-deal-heres-why/
And here's a little business info on Behringer's holding company: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Tribe
Music Tribe is Behringer in the same way that Alphabet is Google and Meta is Facebook. You can see in the article on Behringer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behringer that the factory is there's. It's an interesting model to me, so I've been following it somewhat to see what happens as the political situations change. I'm also in to DIY hardware a bit, so their acquisition of CoolAudio is something I follow because they are keeping alive some classic analog parts that were probably going to be gone if they hadn't made that purchase. They've expanded the parts they make quite a bit since the acquisition and they are available to other manufacturers as well.
Yeah agreed, maybe the Atom(TM) (lol) will be Behringer Buchla easel clone with CV controllable functional generators.
I wonder what the boards will look like on the tiny synths. I really like how their clones have lots and lots of spots and room for mods and these would be fun to mod with a lot less worry about messing something up. I’ve been modding my Boog little by little and it’s opened it up a lot more to pair up with my eurorack so that would be fun with these little guys.
Lol nah not toys.
Right Modal Skulpt is digital; Saturn and UB-1 are analog, so not clones… technically Skulpt is the clone.
They are analog but still bad clones of classic hardware polysynths, and design ripoffs of Modal synths.
Also, these minisynths are not polysynths. They are paraphonic, not polyphonic. One 1 filter, not 4 for true analog 4 voice polyphony. Behringer will likely make true polysynths as well like Poly 800, which looks great btw, prophet 600 clone, but these are Behringer Jr / stocking stuffer synths.
To each his own, I dislike the Modal designs a lot too. They were cooler when they made the Model 008R rack synth.
I’m still waiting for the BCR32… A year later with no news whatsoever.
Interesting info @NeonSilicon
A holding company is just a means of protecting the parent company from the actions of the subsidiary. In the case of Behringer, they do enough copying of the intellectual property of others, I'm sure they are constantly being sued.
Indeed! All these mediocre baby synths should have been released back in the seventies 💃🏻🕺
Surprisingly few suits listed in the Behringer wiki article. Biggest loss looks to be the FCC hitting them for not doing proper UL testing in 2006. That's just silly on Behringer's part.
It looks like they've lost a few on trade dress issues, but most of the circuits they copy are really old or use common IC's for VCO's, VCA's, and VCF's that are also pretty old and most of the original companies are out of business.
This is the one that will interest me…
And here we go! https://www.synthanatomy.com/2022/03/behringer-2-xm-replica-of-the-oberheim-two-voice-analog-synthesizer-for-eurorack.html
I'll be pre-ordering this. Been dreaming of this.
At $299, it's a total steal. Just wish I had the room for this kind of hardware (I'd have a whole house full of it if I had my druthers).
Finally we will all praise Uli, right? 😆 Anyway, I’d still prefer they would do more nuclear particles. They can do that if they just want it. What about all the quarks? Uli promised a wave of new synths. So, this is probably not the end.
And another!
Analogue groove box! $99 when chips available.
4 part drum machine + 2Osc synth and sequencer. Apparently engineered by Hiroaki Nishijima, who designed the Korg MS-20 and Monotribe.
https://www.synthtopia.com/content/2022/03/04/behringer-intros-hirotribe-groovebox-engineered-by-ms-20-designer-hiroaki-nishijima/
Looks fun!