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Icegear - Nambu (FM)

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  • edited August 2022

    @Spidericemidas said:

    @oddSTAR said:
    I'm generally a preset guy without a lot of free time. As much as I love Icegear stuff, I just can't commit myself to getting this based on all the excitement about operators and matrices when it has 40 presets that are reportedly pretty uninspiring. @Spidericemidas is tempting me quite a bit as I always love his work, but maybe I'd be even more inclined if I knew there was an AB Forum patch fest in the works...? :wink: (Been a while!)

    I'd love to see an ABF patch fest for this too! I'm planning more than one bank for this beast as there's just sooo much scope for sound designs. But, it'll take me quite a while as I only get a few hours a day on the iPad with my schedule the way it is these days.

    Ohhhh yea. Awesome, multi-bank situation on our hands here. Lol. patience is understandable, good things take time.

  • @mojozart said:
    Agree that more presets are needed, but a more useful preset browser, such as a tag cloud or table to organize the presets, is a prerequisite.

    That would go a long way toward making Nambu a go-to workhorse synth.

    It’s a great idea and I imagine that once it’s coded it could be used in all the Ice Gear synths.

  • @jsmonzani said:
    While everyone is testing this synth, why not share our presets? Here are mine, mainly plucks and pads (I mostly compose ambient)

    Great patches! I really like Pluck Random Drops 1, just had a lot of fun improvising some riffs with that one

  • @wim said:
    I love that you can make the texture operator fire on note off (or on, or both). Adding sounds on key release is a great design tool that almost no synths have.

    Sorry to ask a second time, but I'm very curious to know which others synth can do that?

  • @Montreal_Music said:

    @wim said:
    I love that you can make the texture operator fire on note off (or on, or both). Adding sounds on key release is a great design tool that almost no synths have.

    Sorry to ask a second time, but I'm very curious to know which others synth can do that?

    Sorry - I don't recall. Any synth that implements "release velocity" should have some semblance of that ability, though probably not with samples. I have the feeling AudioLayer has the ability to trigger samples on release, though I've never looked into it.

    I don't know of any way to find out other than looking into it when using a synth. If it has some way to map key release velocity to a parameter, then support is there.

    Release Velocity is the velocity that's sent as of a note-off message. Just as a note-on message carries a velocity in the third bit of the message, a note-off message can too. Most hardware and synths send zero in that bit, and most synths ignore non-zero values.

  • @wim said:

    @Montreal_Music said:

    @wim said:
    I love that you can make the texture operator fire on note off (or on, or both). Adding sounds on key release is a great design tool that almost no synths have.

    Sorry to ask a second time, but I'm very curious to know which others synth can do that?

    Sorry - I don't recall. Any synth that implements "release velocity" should have some semblance of that ability, though probably not with samples. I have the feeling AudioLayer has the ability to trigger samples on release, though I've never looked into it.

    I don't know of any way to find out other than looking into it when using a synth. If it has some way to map key release velocity to a parameter, then support is there.

    Release Velocity is the velocity that's sent as of a note-off message. Just as a note-on message carries a velocity in the third bit of the message, a note-off message can too. Most hardware and synths send zero in that bit, and most synths ignore non-zero values.

    AudioLayer does allow layers to be triggered by release. I have a piano library where there is a hammer return sound that happens on note off.

  • edited August 2022

    I've yet to fully understand what the matrix does - is this an FM matrix, similar to Native Instruments FM8? Or is it more like a Send (because how would you frequency modulate a filter operator)? How are different signals being combined and how are they affecting each other, is really what I'm trying to get clear.

    The manual doesn't really clarify things either ...

    I'm sure someone's figured it out already!

  • Each row of the matrix determines how how much signal is passed to the operator on the far right nod the column

    The bottom row determines the amplitude of the column’s oscillator that is sent to the audio output.

  • wimwim
    edited August 2022

    The dials in the matrix control how much signal is sent from the operator at the top of the column into the operator at the right of each row. What they do depends on the type of operator and the settings in the operator.

    • Feeding into an FM operator alters the frequency of the operator according to the signal fed into it. More input results in more modulation.
    • Feeding into an Oscillator alters the amplitude of the oscillator according to the amount of signal fed into it.
    • Feeding into Noise and Texture operators modulates their amplitude. This is going to be almost unnoticeable on noise and on most textures.
    • Feeding into a resonator or filter is simply like sending to an FX. The knob just varies the send amount.

    The bottom row is the amount of each operator that goes to the master out. This is powerful, but can be confusing unless you think the signal flow through. For instance, if you send an oscillator "A" into a filter "B", then turn up only the A send to Out, the filter does nothing. In order to 100% filter oscillator A, you would instead send B to the out.

    If you have an FM Operator "A" and FM Operator "B". Operator A is the modulator and B is the carrier. To only hear the carrier you would dial up B to the master. But you could also dial up some of operator A to mix in with operator B in the Out row.

    You have total flexibility. You can modulate operator C with A and B, or modulate operator B with A and C with B, ... or any combination. Or, forget FM altogether. Add some oscillators and dial them straight into a filter, then send the filter output to the master out for a traditional subtractive synth setup.

    That's just the "Level" tab of the Matrix. If you tap Mod, you can set modulation of the amount of each send.

    I hope that helps rather than muddying the water further.

  • edited August 2022

    @wim said:
    The dials in the matrix control how much signal is sent from the operator at the top of the column into the operator at the right of each row. What they do depends on the type of operator and the settings in the operator.
    ...

    Thanks for taking the time to reply so fully. That does make sense.

    So I guess to get FM synthesis requires something to be fed into the FM oscillator, which would mean that if the FM oscillator was first in the chain, it would behave like a simple oscillator, except with a greater choice of waveforms?

  • @espiegel123 said:
    Each row of the matrix determines how how much signal is passed to the operator on the far right nod the column

    The bottom row determines the amplitude of the column’s oscillator that is sent to the audio output.

    Useful thanks!

  • @craftycurate said:
    So I guess to get FM synthesis requires something to be fed into the FM oscillator, which would mean that if the FM oscillator was first in the chain, it would behave like a simple oscillator, except with a greater choice of waveforms?

    Yep.

  • @wim said:

    @craftycurate said:
    So I guess to get FM synthesis requires something to be fed into the FM oscillator, which would mean that if the FM oscillator was first in the chain, it would behave like a simple oscillator, except with a greater choice of waveforms?

    Yep.

    And feedback!

  • If you read the Audiobus forum, I enjoyed your short jam, good job.

  • @drewinnit said:

    @jsmonzani said:
    While everyone is testing this synth, why not share our presets? Here are mine, mainly plucks and pads (I mostly compose ambient)

    Great patches! I really like Pluck Random Drops 1, just had a lot of fun improvising some riffs with that one

    Thank you! I really like to play with the texture oscillators, I'm planning to do more.
    Maybe it will motivate more people to share their patches!

  • I'm intrigued if Nambu can stand up against the Opsix in terms of sound quality. (I have played a lot with Mersenne, and while the concept is great, I found the results underwhelming; thin and lacking depth. But It's a relatively old app.) Anyways, I'd like to hear about impressions from anyone who has spent time with both.

  • To join the choir, I really adore this thing. If you’re a preset surfer, I can understanding skipping for now but if you are into sound design and creating patches, or even generally just experimenting with sounds, this thing is a pure joy to work with.

    Global/host sync for the sequencer,and curve control for the envelopes are the only things I am missing I think, if I’m being picky, an option to have the voice LFOs not key sync’d would be very nice. I keep meaning to drop a cheeky pretty please email but I end up getting distracted by Nambu 🔊🎛

  • @ElectroHead said:
    I'm intrigued if Nambu can stand up against the Opsix in terms of sound quality. (I have played a lot with Mersenne, and while the concept is great, I found the results underwhelming; thin and lacking depth. But It's a relatively old app.) Anyways, I'd like to hear about impressions from anyone who has spent time with both.

    I haven't bought Nambu yet but own Opsix.

    Based on all the demos I've heard, I agree with you, not that impressed about iceworks synths sound character, just not my cup of tea.

    To me Opsix is superior in terms of sound depth and quality but maybe it is just my taste. As soon as I played Opsix for the first time, I was in love and blown away by the intuitiveness and the sound character.

    When Nambu was released I compared sound demos of both synths and still had a very strong preference for Opsix.

    One iOS FM synth I do find incredible and worth every penny is ID700.

  • Nambu Challenge: Create a fat, Moogy-sounding bass. Who’s up for the challenge?

  • @parnarules_85 said:
    One iOS FM synth I do find incredible and worth every penny is ID700.

    Thanks for the timely prompt; I need to dig into ID700 again. I got some pleasing results with it, but found the interface a bit obtuse.

  • @ElectroHead said:

    @parnarules_85 said:
    One iOS FM synth I do find incredible and worth every penny is ID700.

    Thanks for the timely prompt; I need to dig into ID700 again. I got some pleasing results with it, but found the interface a bit obtuse.

    The interface could be much better as it is not easy to navigate but in terms of sound...very few synth apps can compete imo

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  • @ehehehe said:

    @parnarules_85 said:

    @ElectroHead said:

    @parnarules_85 said:
    One iOS FM synth I do find incredible and worth every penny is ID700.

    Thanks for the timely prompt; I need to dig into ID700 again. I got some pleasing results with it, but found the interface a bit obtuse.

    The interface could be much better as it is not easy to navigate but in terms of sound...very few synth apps can compete imo

    Yeah. This one looks nicer but sounds pretty boring in comparison.

    Also I think good presets should be a focus point for devs, the sound is the main selling points for most. All big companies almost always have gorgeous presets that shows off the synths sweet spots, but I understand that this takes resources. I will be waiting and hear, the architecture seems pretty cool but that doesn't matter if I already have these sounds in my synth arsenal.

    Just wait til you start hearing new presets from Spidericemidas… You might change your mind after someone dives deeply into this synth.

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  • edited August 2022

    @ehehehe said:

    @NeuM said:

    @ehehehe said:

    @parnarules_85 said:

    @ElectroHead said:

    @parnarules_85 said:
    One iOS FM synth I do find incredible and worth every penny is ID700.

    Thanks for the timely prompt; I need to dig into ID700 again. I got some pleasing results with it, but found the interface a bit obtuse.

    The interface could be much better as it is not easy to navigate but in terms of sound...very few synth apps can compete imo

    Yeah. This one looks nicer but sounds pretty boring in comparison.

    Also I think good presets should be a focus point for devs, the sound is the main selling points for most. All big companies almost always have gorgeous presets that shows off the synths sweet spots, but I understand that this takes resources. I will be waiting and hear, the architecture seems pretty cool but that doesn't matter if I already have these sounds in my synth arsenal.

    Just wait til you start hearing new presets from Spidericemidas… You might change your mind after someone dives deeply into this synth.

    I doubt it. If a synth maker doesn't know how to make their creations audibly shine at release i guess one of two things, either the product is a bit rushed or the marketing is bad. I would bet there are more than enough youtubers, preset-makers and other heroes that would do it for free. I only make my own presets, so not having the ability to judge a synth based on name/category fitting presets makes it much slower to realize what that current synth excels at. Moog, Waldorff and Imaginando does this fine with all their stuff.

    I agree there aren’t enough presets already for this synth, but even a casual glance at this synth reveals the depth and breadth of setting combinations possible. A lack of presets in this case is no indicator of the capability (or lack thereof) of the synth.

    And comparing a one-man development shop to Moog and Waldorf is a bit ridiculous.

  • Btw, on the Nambu homepage, it explicitly says that not many presets are included.

    "This product contains only basic sound presets. Please note that there are no large amount of presets. Enjoy making sounds."

  • I’ve only used the available presets so far and I truly love it. Can’t wa> @NeuM said:

    @ehehehe said:

    @parnarules_85 said:

    @ElectroHead said:

    @parnarules_85 said:
    One iOS FM synth I do find incredible and worth every penny is ID700.

    Thanks for the timely prompt; I need to dig into ID700 again. I got some pleasing results with it, but found the interface a bit obtuse.

    The interface could be much better as it is not easy to navigate but in terms of sound...very few synth apps can compete imo

    Yeah. This one looks nicer but sounds pretty boring in comparison.

    Also I think good presets should be a focus point for devs, the sound is the main selling points for most. All big companies almost always have gorgeous presets that shows off the synths sweet spots, but I understand that this takes resources. I will be waiting and hear, the architecture seems pretty cool but that doesn't matter if I already have these sounds in my synth arsenal.

    Just wait til you start hearing new presets from Spidericemidas… You might change your mind after someone dives deeply into this synth.

    Agreed.

  • @espiegel123 said:
    Btw, on the Nambu homepage, it explicitly says that not many presets are included.

    "This product contains only basic sound presets. Please note that there are no large amount of presets. Enjoy making sounds."

    Saw that too.

  • @ehehehe said:

    @NeuM said:

    @ehehehe said:

    @parnarules_85 said:

    @ElectroHead said:

    @parnarules_85 said:
    One iOS FM synth I do find incredible and worth every penny is ID700.

    Thanks for the timely prompt; I need to dig into ID700 again. I got some pleasing results with it, but found the interface a bit obtuse.

    The interface could be much better as it is not easy to navigate but in terms of sound...very few synth apps can compete imo

    Yeah. This one looks nicer but sounds pretty boring in comparison.

    Also I think good presets should be a focus point for devs, the sound is the main selling points for most. All big companies almost always have gorgeous presets that shows off the synths sweet spots, but I understand that this takes resources. I will be waiting and hear, the architecture seems pretty cool but that doesn't matter if I already have these sounds in my synth arsenal.

    Just wait til you start hearing new presets from Spidericemidas… You might change your mind after someone dives deeply into this synth.

    I doubt it. If a synth maker doesn't know how to make their creations audibly shine at release i guess one of two things, either the product is a bit rushed or the marketing is bad. I would bet there are more than enough youtubers, preset-makers and other heroes that would do it for free. I only make my own presets, so not having the ability to judge a synth based on name/category fitting presets makes it much slower to realize what that current synth excels at. Moog, Waldorff and Imaginando does this fine with all their stuff.

    Exactly, it's just a matter of contacting a few youtubers or sound designers and asking, do you fancy making a few presets for my new synth? Or paying a few hundred bucks, which could easily be funded by a cheap iap, to someone who really really knows their shit. Not all devs / musicians like dealing with the marketing side of things, which I understand, but it's also a pity, as this kind of thing is pretty low effort in terms of time involved on the dev's side

  • edited August 2022

    @NeuM said:

    @ehehehe said:

    @NeuM said:

    @ehehehe said:

    @parnarules_85 said:

    @ElectroHead said:

    @parnarules_85 said:
    One iOS FM synth I do find incredible and worth every penny is ID700.

    Thanks for the timely prompt; I need to dig into ID700 again. I got some pleasing results with it, but found the interface a bit obtuse.

    The interface could be much better as it is not easy to navigate but in terms of sound...very few synth apps can compete imo

    Yeah. This one looks nicer but sounds pretty boring in comparison.

    Also I think good presets should be a focus point for devs, the sound is the main selling points for most. All big companies almost always have gorgeous presets that shows off the synths sweet spots, but I understand that this takes resources. I will be waiting and hear, the architecture seems pretty cool but that doesn't matter if I already have these sounds in my synth arsenal.

    Just wait til you start hearing new presets from Spidericemidas… You might change your mind after someone dives deeply into this synth.

    I doubt it. If a synth maker doesn't know how to make their creations audibly shine at release i guess one of two things, either the product is a bit rushed or the marketing is bad. I would bet there are more than enough youtubers, preset-makers and other heroes that would do it for free. I only make my own presets, so not having the ability to judge a synth based on name/category fitting presets makes it much slower to realize what that current synth excels at. Moog, Waldorff and Imaginando does this fine with all their stuff.

    I agree there aren’t enough presets already for this synth, but even a casual glance at this synth reveals the depth and breadth of setting combinations possible. A lack of presets in this case is no indicator of the capability (or lack thereof) of the synth.

    And comparing a one-man development shop to Moog and Waldorf is a bit ridiculous.

    Can think of plenty of smaller shops who do this aspect well. Bleass, Caelum Audio etc. My comment is well intentioned, I would like to see this synth sell a bundle of units. One very easy way to do so would be to ask youtubers, pxlhg, spider, SOI etc if they fancy throwing a few cool ones in the pot for free. Ultimately it's the dev's decision - we all have different skills and inclinations, but there's no question that such decisions impact sales.

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