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Anyone into the WOO here? UFOs etc?
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But with some doubt.
Is "probably" the wrong word?
I’d agree, most UFO sightings are very likely natural objects or phenomena, but there still remains quite a few that do hint at something quite extraordinary, possibly even ‘extraterrestrials’ or something we mistake as extraterrestrials.
Our “Understanding of Physics” is likely due a rude awakening in the not so distance future.
“without much doubt”
Yes, probably suggests military vehicles are the most likely explanation. But since it’s been recorded and documented by military personnel on a military base, and they have not confirmed it was a military vehicle, then it probably isn’t.
You haven't considered that the military might not be telling the public whole story...?
Surely "without much doubt" allows for there to be some doubt.
A small amount. But not too much.
I’d be surprised if they were, but I’d guess if technology that could do this stuff was available 40+ years ago we’d know about it by now.
You can try and rewrite the dictionary definition as long as you like Simon, but your use of the word probably:
“ it is probably some man-made "UFO" device, not from outer space. Probably military.”
Is misplaced in this context. There is no actual proof to back up that statement.
I'm not saying there is proof.
I was expressing an opinion that it is probably military (probably: almost certainly). But maybe it isn't military.
Not "definitely" military (without any doubt).
I am guessing you probably won't accept my reasoning...
You have no proof to back up that statement, Simon.
Not yet anyway.
It’s got absolutely nothing to do with accepting your reasoning Simon, you’re arguing against a dictionary definition. If it really bothers you that much, take it up with Merriam-Webster.
“ it is probably some man-made "UFO" device, not from outer space. Probably military.”
If that’s the most likely explanation, you’d need at least some evidence as proof. But the military observers on the military base haven’t found any, and neither have any of the other investigators, so it is by any definition ‘unexplained’.
Never forget that people alive hundreds of years ago, hell even thousands, probably thought they knew everything too
The argument that another intelligent lifeform would be unable to traverse the vast distances of space to reach us, based on our own 'understanding of physics' and our methods of propulsion is, in my opinion, greatly naive.
If you can bend space then you can effectively travel fast then the speed of light. Much much faster.
I do.
Whereas your opinion is naively based on a relatively minuscule amount of years of human endeavour in the sciences.
But that's ok.
It's a fascinating topic and debate is healthy.
You thought space-time was unbent? No, gravity bends space-time everywhere. And the path of light follows the bends in space-time. But, who knows, maybe there are wrinkles that enable what you want. https://www.science.org.au/curious/space-time/gravity
At this point I think you are trolling.
No. Space time is already warped.
Minds can either be open or closed.
I'm always amazed by those that choose the latter. Especially considering how much our understanding of the world and universe has changed so often and consistently through just the last few hundred years with each new discovery.
So is there nothing new to learn in Physics?
For me, that's the outlandish stance to take.
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Having confidence that science will make new discoveries is now a religion?
...ok.
But why are you in this thread then. It's pretty obvious you are a hard skeptic and nothing that we say it's going to change your mind. It's pointless you being in this thread.
Because that's never happened before in human history!! hahaha 🤣🤣