Anyone into the WOO here? UFOs etc?

CracklePot

Now the official word is it is definitely not aliens.
Therefore, it definitely is aliens.
Tricky bastards.
😵‍💫

knewspeak

Here is the latest from the BBC, benign or as I stated mundane, they will probably turn out to be meteorological gathering equipment, especially given the area and vague identification of the objects.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64644845

SirMcp

@Carnbot said:

@monz0id said:

@Carnbot said:

@monz0id said:

@Carnbot said:
But seriously, I'm always interested in unexplained phenonema but if they had anything convincing that they wanted different opinions of I'm sure they would release them.

Why do you think the Pentagon would be interested in your opinion, or try to convince you the sightings that have been recorded cannot be explained by natural means?

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Why wouldn't they be interested in explanations? That's why they released them, to get them.

It wasn’t, and they have not asked the public to provide their own theories on the naval aircraft footage.

The footage was leaked. It was then reluctantly confirmed and an internal report eventually published.

@Carnbot said:
But seriously, I'm always interested in unexplained phenonema but if they had anything convincing that they wanted different opinions of I'm sure they would release them.

Why do you think the Pentagon would be interested in your opinion, or try to convince you the sightings that have been recorded cannot be explained by natural means?

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Why wouldn't they be interested in explanations? That's why they released them, to get them.

if it was possible to dismiss the footage as ‘lens flares’ or whatever they’d be quick to do so. This is an embarrassment for them

Not at all, it just shows they are fallible like everyone and it's quite nice that they are opening things up a bit, but its an easy mistake to make because there are many illusions like that possible with new and emerging digital and optical technology, coupled with natural phenomena.

I think the real reason they got released is to show, something anomalous is still happening, hasn’t stopped happening, people reporting these sort of thing’s aren’t crazy, so let’s do a real investigation this time, not a sham. They’re under NDA national defence ones, the type you go to prison for releasing classified material, so they were limited as to what they could get released through declassification.

Ok, great lets see more data and wait and see

Luckily the military are well trained and mostly non judgmental so they report things without prejudice and don't leap to exotic conclusions without more evidence. But also pilots going at those speeds only have their instruments to go on, and these like any equipment and data is fallible.

But since they have to deal with reality, they ultimately want to know the truth and I think one of the reasons they don't release more data is in case they are revealing too much about their own military tech limitations to any perceived enemy etc.

Here is the deal with the USN videos. According to a OS and an MA that had access to telemetry from CIC, Spy radar tracked these objects and at first they thought it was erroneous readings but they deployed planes to confirm that. So they have the objects verified simultaneously by the planes (they could target lock these objects), SPY radar, navigational radar (probably SPS-55), and the STs got sonar on them when they were below the water line. That’s four or more systems that were being coordinated, tracked and recorded and all of this is available in CIC through whatever LINK X system version they are up to now. And they recorded all of this. When you are under way you record everything and when the deployment is complete, the data is sent to NSWC, ATRC, The Library of Congress, etc.

Well, these tapes can’t be found in the archives of these agencies. That is a punishable offense for the CO, XO on down the chain of command. So something is rotten in Denmark. Loss of data tapes can put a CO in hot water unless they were confiscated and the pertinent Officers and Combat Systems personnel were debriefed. Then, missing records make sense…seized over national security concerns. And of course the first rule of UAP Club is you cant talk about it.

I will say this tracking an object moving at 38,000 feet in less than half a second would have caused quite a stir in CIC and they would need to put a lid on it immediately, if not in under a day the entire crew would have known.

SNystrom

The mighty North America military at work:

“The Pentagon said late Friday that searches for two objects shot down a week ago over the Alaskan coast and Lake Huron had been called off. Canada said that it, too, was calling off its search of Lake Huron, which lies on the border with the U.S., and was ending its efforts to recover a third object shot down over the Yukon territory.

White House spokesman John Kirby had warned that determining what the objects were would rely heavily on being able to recover whatever was left after they were shot down. “We may not be able to go to 100% certainty on that unless or until we can get to the debris and analyze it,” he said.”

Nothing to see here folks. Just move along…

knewspeak

@SNystrom said:
The mighty North America military at work:

“The Pentagon said late Friday that searches for two objects shot down a week ago over the Alaskan coast and Lake Huron had been called off. Canada said that it, too, was calling off its search of Lake Huron, which lies on the border with the U.S., and was ending its efforts to recover a third object shot down over the Yukon territory.

White House spokesman John Kirby had warned that determining what the objects were would rely heavily on being able to recover whatever was left after they were shot down. “We may not be able to go to 100% certainty on that unless or until we can get to the debris and analyze it,” he said.”

Nothing to see here folks. Just move along…

All the tech and nothing to show….

SNystrom

So, here’s an interesting discussion about all the unidentified flying (floating?) objects that have been shot from the skies in the past weeks. It features Dr. Steven Greer, who gives an interesting take that this is all a false flag operation to gain massive amounts of new military funding…

Simon

@SNystrom said:
So, here’s an interesting discussion about all the unidentified flying (floating?) objects that have been shot from the skies in the past weeks. It features Dr. Steven Greer, who gives an interesting take that this is all a false flag operation to gain massive amounts of new military funding…

Doctor Greer is a retired medical doctor, not some kind of space doctor or scientist. And he has a new book to promote.

He also claims to have a "technique" that you can learn that will allow you to make contact with extraterrestrial civilizations (I imagine it involves some kind of training and some kind of fee).

His film "Sirius" revealed a "tiny alien skeleton".... that turned out to be fake.

The fact that the US Government is saying:

• we easily monitored them
• we easily shot them down
• they posed no threat

... is hardly a good case for "massive amounts of new military funding".

SNystrom

So you totally believe the U.S. government would have absolutely no interest in using a false flag incident to demand an increase of massive amounts of new military funding???

🤓

Simon

@SNystrom said:
So you totally believe the U.S. government would have absolutely no interest in using a false flag incident to demand an increase of massive amounts of new military funding???

Did I say that? No, I didn't.

What I said was that if they wanted to create a "false flag incident" to get more funding this is not the way they would do it.

They would say something like:

• we don't know what these things are
• the sky is full of them
• they are hard to detect
• they are hard to shoot down
• they are more advanced then our tech
• they pose a national security threat
• we need more money to deal with the danger and keep America and the Free World safe from the Alien Commie threat

SNystrom

Sadly, everybody in this alien argument has at some point — or at most points lied.

The objective for the people at large is to somehow manage to separate the the lies from the facts.

This requires intellectual intelligence — something the human race is unfortunately lacking…

Simon

You can buy Dr Greer's products here:
https://shop.siriusdisclosure.com/

He used to work in the medical industry. Now he works in the conspiracy theory industry.

SNystrom

@Simon said:

@SNystrom said:
So you totally believe the U.S. government would have absolutely no interest in using a false flag incident to demand an increase of massive amounts of new military funding???

Did I say that? No, I didn't.

What I said was that if they wanted to create a "false flag incident" to get more funding this is not the way they would do it.

They would say something like:

• we don't know what these things are
• the sky is full of them
• they are hard to detect
• they are hard to shoot down
• they are more advanced then our tech
• they pose a national security threat
• we need more money to deal with the danger and keep America and the Free World safe from the Alien Commie threat

So, we can’t be bothered to search for these objects because it’s not a problem is an acceptable excuse?

At least the military during Roswell were quick enough to concoct a plausible “explanation” for what had happened.

What the all-powerful military with unlimited resources did this week was a complete and total cop-out, which will eternally raise more questions — with no answers.

Simon

@SNystrom said:
What the all-powerful military with unlimited resources did this week was a complete and total cop-out

Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.

Either way, contrary to what Dr. Greer says in the video interview, it doesn't look like a "false flag incident" to get more funding.

SNystrom

Time will tell.

The U.S. military will be making its new budget proposal in the next week or two.

Kind of convenient timing, don’t you think?

SNystrom

Oh, but of course they will be fully secure with themselves after downing all those unidentified “floating” objects and decide to request a massive reduction in military spending — since they have eliminated any and all threats to the great mass of the American public. 🤗

SNystrom

🤓

Simon

@SNystrom said:
Time will tell.

The U.S. military will be making its new budget proposal in the next week or two.

Kind of convenient timing, don’t you think?

No.

Like I said, if they were doing a flase flag operation for more money they would not be downplaying the danger. But I think you "WANT TO BELIEVE", so whatever they do you will see it as a trick to con the public.

If they say "it is a danger", then they are just trying to get more money or create anxiety to get us on a war footing.

If they say "there's no danger", then they have found something dangerous and serious and don't want to spook the public and wish to keep the secret alien technology hidden from view.

Bottom line: if you don't trust the government or the "all-powerful military with unlimited resources", then whatever they say you will dispute.

Simon

When mobile phones with cameras appeared I thought "great, now we'll get some real, authentic UFO evidence".

But here we are, 10+ years later, and YouTube is full of amazing sights we never saw before we had phone cameras: car crashes on the freeways, planes falling from the sky, industrial accidents, police shooting people, people falling off ladders, above ground swimming pools splitting open, firewokrs blowing up in people's faces, floods, bushfires, earthquakes and so on.

But no UFO footage. No alien abductions. Not a sausage...

Same with ghosts. Where are all the ghost videos? We have all these "ghost hunter" reality TV shows but no footage of an actual ghost. Thousands of hours of recorded footage and not a single shot of a ghost...

Identor

I often made the joke to my son, "Look!, behind you! I see a UFO!" to distract him...

Simon

Former Air Force Pilot Breaks Down UFO Footage:

supadom

It’s either that the regular us military has ‘discovered’ some more secret development program of their own government or some rich bastard is playing around with next gen tech on from his private island.

Could be a number of other things of course including the Russians and the Chinese but my bet is on the first two.

sevenape

@Simon said:
When mobile phones with cameras appeared I thought "great, now we'll get some real, authentic UFO evidence".

But here we are, 10+ years later, and YouTube is full of amazing sights we never saw before we had phone cameras: car crashes on the freeways, planes falling from the sky, industrial accidents, police shooting people, people falling off ladders, above ground swimming pools splitting open, firewokrs blowing up in people's faces, floods, bushfires, earthquakes and so on.

But no UFO footage. No alien abductions. Not a sausage...

Same with ghosts. Where are all the ghost videos? We have all these "ghost hunter" reality TV shows but no footage of an actual ghost. Thousands of hours of recorded footage and not a single shot of a ghost...

I think that we are seeing more photos and videos, they are posted daily on Reddit, of course the vast vast majority of them are explainable. I read that of January this year the pentagon Have over 500 reports from within the military that they are investigating. I do think we put a bit too much stock in mobile phone cameras being actually good. For all the ubiquity and high technology, the camera sensors are tiny, and if you try to take a photo of a plane at night, the results are underwhelming. I think that since 2017 things have really pushed forward in leaps and bounds in the attempt to identify and explain the phenomenon. People in high office have admitted that these things -whatever they are- are real.

SNystrom

Sadly you completely miss their logic.

The “unidentifiable” objects they destroyed were most likely elementary school science projects that just happened to reach the “danger to aviation” 40,000-foot elevation level.

By taking them out without ever investigating their origin, they have protected all Americans from an evil threat that could have ended AMERICA and the world as we know it, and therefore the military needs every cent the country can spare to keep us all safe from these godless intruders.

If only more sheeple could think like tyrants.

knewspeak

Most of the incidents probably are very mundane in explanation, others well require greater investigation, the paltry amount that has been invested, for investigation, has been inconsequential within the overall military defence budget.

These reports I think are used - with or without intent - to create paranoia, mostly aimed at China.
Will this lead to increased military spending- very possibly.

sevenape

Strange that they haven’t found any “crashed” material.

SirMcp

S> @Simon said:

@SNystrom said:
So you totally believe the U.S. government would have absolutely no interest in using a false flag incident to demand an increase of massive amounts of new military funding???

Did I say that? No, I didn't.

What I said was that if they wanted to create a "false flag incident" to get more funding this is not the way they would do it.

They would say something like:

• we don't know what these things are
• the sky is full of them
• they are hard to detect
• they are hard to shoot down
• they are more advanced then our tech
• they pose a national security threat
• we need more money to deal with the danger and keep America and the Free World safe from the Alien Commie threat

I agree with Simon. The US military already gets a phat budget and really doesn't need a false flag to beef it up when it has geo political threats like China, Russia, N Korea, ISIS, the Sinaloa Cartel and well the list goes on and on. Every body wants a piece of the US. The fiscal budget we the public see doesn't include any of the 'black' spending. Because of national security the spending on that is a 'need to know only' thing. The US government is so compartmentalized that one hand often doesn't know what the other hand has done.

Simon

I don't know how much the "black spending" comes to, but The Pentagon is ordering ONE HUNDRED of the new B-21 Raider bombers at... wait for it... $700 million EACH.

That's $70 billion dollars worth of planes.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/03/pentagon-new-strategic-bomber-counter-china

SirMcp

@SNystrom said:
Sadly you completely miss their logic.

The “unidentifiable” objects they destroyed were most likely elementary school science projects that just happened to reach the “danger to aviation” 40,000-foot elevation level.

By taking them out without ever investigating their origin, they have protected all Americans from an evil threat that could have ended AMERICA and the world as we know it, and therefore the military needs every cent the country can spare to keep us all safe from these godless intruders.

If only more sheeple could think like tyrants.

If a couple of balloons can end the USA then the country is fu#k@d. But yes, every fiscal budget proposal from the Pentagon is "we need every cent the country can spare and then some, to keep us all safe from (insert threats here)". That's the way any defense organization gets the filthy lucre.

SirMcp

@Simon said:
I don't know how much the "black spending" comes to, but The Pentagon is ordering ONE HUNDRED of the new B-21 Raider bombers at... wait for it... $700 million EACH.

That's $70 billion dollars worth of planes.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/03/pentagon-new-strategic-bomber-counter-china

Simon, I ask you this. Can you put a price on the safety of freedom?

Enjoy this short read.

https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

Simon

@SirMcp said:
Enjoy this short read.

https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

Thanks, but I am aware of "War Is A Racket".

I first heard about it a few months ago (perhaps on a thread on the Forum...can't remember).