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Anyone into the WOO here? UFOs etc?
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Unless we are in a simulation.
And if we are, how would it be proved or disproved?
And this guy Eratosthenes.
https://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/200606/history.cfm
Take the red pill.
Who knows unless there are limitations, bugs or it crashes.
Actually, one of the great misconceptions that seems to linger is that NPR is a government operation.
Presently, NPR receives funding for less than 1% of its budget directly from the federal government. In total, less than 10% of its budget comes from federal, state, and local governments indirectly. Not that you would ever listen, but that’s why their programs are now chock-full of commercials.
Of course morons like “genius” Elon Musk do their best to propagate the misconception.
Well, my brother used to work for NASA, and they are not in the business of hiding things. As he says in the interview they couldn't for long even if they wanted to. The whole point of the committee is to find out some truth from the evidence.
What would be the point of them lying, risking their careers and respect, when it's much more interesting to reveal the truth of their findings. They aren't saying nothing is out there, just that NASA don't have any evidence for it.
A problem as he says in the interview is that they are threatened with abuse from believers when they reveal information that they don't want to hear. It's just a shame it has to be like that.
But there is more than just photographic proof of UFO/UAP existence. Expert, respected testimonies, police/military statements, videos, cockpit, radar recordings etc. Even the PENTAGON acknowledges many of these reports are unexplained.
Out of the 100's of thousands of reports since the 1940's, it's a long stretch of the imagination that something hasn't been recovered at some point.
Aside from actually taking a ride in one, with a genetically proven alien, it's hard to see what would actually convince a hardened sceptic.
Any ideas?
Woah tiger yourself, with your 'fries in arse' headlines.
Or is it only sceptics that are allowed to take the piss?
Well that's refreshing to hear and provides some optimism. That wasn't quite the tone I got from that NASA event though. Will keep fingers crossed that all the important parties in this really do want to be transparent.
But that's exactly what the video was discussing - that NASA don't have this information available. Or top level government. Or the military. Because of the compartmentalised nature of government it's been filtered into black ops, and public corporations.
The evidence that led to the theory that the earth is round provided for more accurate prediction than a flat earth model. Nothing about the purported reports of extraterrestrials provides better , more accurate predictions of observed phenomena.
This doesn’t mean extraterrestrials don’t exist, but your analogy about the flat earth isn’t relevant. The arguments in favor of a round earth add up to a simpler more accurate understanding of observed phenomena than a flat earth model.
Photographs and eyewitness accounts aren’t proof. As has been pointed out, throughout history there have been eyewitness accounts of fairies and devils and a host of monsters and creatures few now believe in.
Not that long a stretch. People report things they believe they have seen all the time which later turn out to be wrong.
Centuries of people reporting angel sightings doesn’t mean angels exist.
Being in the military or a pilot doesn’t prevent one from being wrong in one’s conjectures.
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You didn't sound like you were taking the piss though! You sounded deadly serious. Sometimes things get lost in translation.
My local NPR station is commercial free so i’ll consider myself lucky but that is interesting. So instead of NPR, insert DOE, DOD, NSA or X government organization in.
Monzoid
‘ Aside from actually taking a ride in one, with a genetically proven alien, it's hard to see what would actually convince a hardened sceptic.’
That is the problem. The is no physical evidence to back up what these witnesses are claiming. I believe that any government would cover up reverse engineering the technology but I have no evidence. But I trust no government because I’m paranoid.
From the 40 mins or whatever I watched of that video, I heard a lot of fluff, with a few interesting observations thrown in.
I found it interesting that the people I did watch all seemed to find it necessary to mention their wife, kids, grandkids etc. Anything wrong with being single? Felt like those speakers were doing their utmost to appeal to the 'normies'. All felt a bit like some kind of evangelical church event.
The military jargon reminded me of the church in the middle ages, or actually the Catholic Church up until a few generations ago. The Latin mass, etc. Impress the people with big words and technical detail to show your intellectual chops - but most of the detail seemed aside from the point.
I did also hear some really fascinating things about craft flying at speeds that are impossible for our earthly craft. That stuff I really did find compelling. Really compelling. And I have no reason to think they were lying. But it was quite a chore to get those interesting nuggets out of a sea of unimportant detail.
Math and basic observation prove the Earth is round.
Per Google Bard:
Well I just think that we are more likely to find evidence of Alien technology in deep space, not on earth. If NASA find anything they aren't going to hide it, scientists don't find it easy to keep quiet about anything
It’s an interesting topic of conversation. What level of proof would you need to convince a hardened skeptic?
Observable physical evidence and analysis. But to be honest about it, I'd still remain skeptical until I could see something living or 'flying' for myself. I've seen lots of strange things in my lifetime, but nothing I'd ever attribute to an 'alien intelligence'.
I'm genuinely not sure. But probably something from some of those Sci fi movies where obviously alien spacecraft fly over cities and destroy millions of people, including people you know - or God forbid - you yourself, would be pretty damn convincing!
It was an example of sceptics requiring immutable, potentially unobtainable proof. There are still some who still reject the notion that the Earth is round. A quarter of people in the UK believe Covid was a hoax: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jun/13/quarter-in-uk-believe-covid-was-a-hoax-poll-on-conspiracy-theories-finds
You don't get to decide what what another person considers immutable proof. One person's Covid hoax is another persons UFO.
Many of these sightings could be explained by extra-terrestrial means, just different times and different beliefs and viewpoints.
Ain't gonna happen.
That's my take. It ain't gonna happen.
I said:
"I sometimes wonder how sceptics accept that the Earth isn't actually flat, since they've only got photos and videos as proof - though I guess many still don't."
Where in the above was the need for a 'woah Tiger' warning? It's a genuine question, which reading the comments above, I still have no answer to.
You are correct. I don't get to decide what constitutes proof. But I can say that the analogy isn't apt. Your analogy can be applied to anything where some people believe something that other people don't.
The case for the earth being round is not: some people say so. It is a model that long before we could see the earth from afar provided for better predictions and simpler explanations of readily observed phenomena than a flat earth model.
Nothing about the argument for a round earth relies on eyewitness testimony. Eyewitness testimony is highly unreliable not just as far as extraterrestrials is concerned.
They come face to face with it, then off to a psychiatric institution.
Anyway crossed wires how many at NASA knew about this…
I think the same applies to UFOs as to religion... Why do so few people see these things? Why is it almost always based on faith in a few people who (claim to) have seen?
Something interesting I read in an article in The New Statesman: maybe all alien intelligent species are too short lived to get to the point where they are capable of intergalactic travel. Once they get too much power they wipe themselves out.
This is what has happened to all ancient human civilizations. Often it was due to ecological reasons. Other times due to being overcome by enemies.
Our human history until now has only featured civilizational extinctions, but a wipe out of modern humanity as we know it is easy to imagine if we keep caring more about what's theoretically happening in the skies compared to the mass extinctions of species we are currently seeing happening on earth, and the existential threat we pose to ourselves through overpopulation, climate change, possession of weapons of mass destruction etc.
Far more likely we destroy ourselves than that we are destroyed by any alien civilization.
So why are you still taking part in this thread? You have ruled out any kind of acceptance that these things exist unless you personally witness one, which is extremely unlikely.
The thread is titled "Anyone into the WOO here? UFOs etc?"
What are you here for since you're obviously not? Are you just here for a row or what?
Serioulsy, this is starting to get offensive now.
OK forget the Woah Tiger bit. My only point was that the idea the earth is round is based on masses of scientific evidence, not video, photos or anecdotes. Sorry, I genuinely didn't mean to insult you, if that was what you felt my intention was. I was just pretty shocked that you would draw an equivalence between what I previously stated regarding my scepticism about ufo 'evidence' to date and the evidence that the earth is round.