Anyone into the WOO here? UFOs etc?

[Deleted User]

@Gavinski said:

@monz0id said:

@Gavinski said:

@monz0id said:

@espiegel123 said:
Because, we don’t only have photos … the Earth being round provided a much more consistent explanation of a lot of observed phenomena than the earth being flat. It was figured out long long ago and provided better explanations than the earth being flat for a host of things people observed.

But there is more than just photographic proof of UFO/UAP existence. Expert, respected testimonies, police/military statements, videos, cockpit, radar recordings etc. Even the PENTAGON acknowledges many of these reports are unexplained.

Out of the 100's of thousands of reports since the 1940's, it's a long stretch of the imagination that something hasn't been recovered at some point.

Aside from actually taking a ride in one, with a genetically proven alien, it's hard to see what would actually convince a hardened sceptic.

Any ideas?

@Gavinski said:
Woah Tiger. What @espiegel123 said above. We often disagree but on this he's bang on the money

Woah tiger yourself, with your 'fries in arse' headlines.

Or is it only sceptics that are allowed to take the piss?

You didn't sound like you were taking the piss though! You sounded deadly serious. Sometimes things get lost in translation.

I said:

"I sometimes wonder how sceptics accept that the Earth isn't actually flat, since they've only got photos and videos as proof - though I guess many still don't."

Where in the above was the need for a 'woah Tiger' warning? It's a genuine question, which reading the comments above, I still have no answer to.

OK forget the Woah Tiger bit. My only point was that the idea the earth is round is based on masses of scientific evidence, not video, photos or anecdotes. Sorry, I genuinely didn't mean to insult you, if that was what you felt my intention was. I was just pretty shocked that you would draw an equivalence between what I previously stated regarding my scepticism about ufo 'evidence' to date and the evidence that the earth is round.

ok, I see the flat Earth thing is causing a lot of you to obsessively split hairs, though I find it perfectly accpetable myself.

Replace 'flat Earth', with 'Covid sceptic'. 25% of the UK think it was a hoax, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Try that one.

knewspeak

@Gavinski said:
I think the same applies to UFOs as to religion... Why do so few people see these things? Why is it almost always based on faith in a few people who (claim to) have seen?

Something interesting I read in an article in The New Statesman: maybe all alien intelligent species are too short lived to get to the point where they are capable of intergalactic travel. Once they get too much power they wipe themselves out.

This is what has happened to all ancient human civilizations. Often it was due to ecological reasons. Other times due to being overcome by enemies.

Our human history until now has only featured civilizational extinctions, but a wipe out of modern humanity as we know it is easy to imagine if we keep caring more about what's theoretically happening in the skies compared to the mass extinctions of species we are currently seeing happening on earth, and the existential threat we pose to ourselves through overpopulation, climate change, possession of weapons of mass destruction etc.
Far more likely we destroy ourselves than that we are destroyed by any alien civilization.

I hadn’t realised that The New Statesman had completed the Drake equation.

We can as a species multitask, make music, ponder the unknown as well as get it together to save ourselves. We are far from perfection but we managed to make it so far, I hold out hope even if darker days are before us.

espiegel123

@monz0id said:

@Gavinski said:

@monz0id said:

@Gavinski said:

@monz0id said:

@espiegel123 said:
Because, we don’t only have photos … the Earth being round provided a much more consistent explanation of a lot of observed phenomena than the earth being flat. It was figured out long long ago and provided better explanations than the earth being flat for a host of things people observed.

But there is more than just photographic proof of UFO/UAP existence. Expert, respected testimonies, police/military statements, videos, cockpit, radar recordings etc. Even the PENTAGON acknowledges many of these reports are unexplained.

Out of the 100's of thousands of reports since the 1940's, it's a long stretch of the imagination that something hasn't been recovered at some point.

Aside from actually taking a ride in one, with a genetically proven alien, it's hard to see what would actually convince a hardened sceptic.

Any ideas?

@Gavinski said:
Woah Tiger. What @espiegel123 said above. We often disagree but on this he's bang on the money

Woah tiger yourself, with your 'fries in arse' headlines.

Or is it only sceptics that are allowed to take the piss?

You didn't sound like you were taking the piss though! You sounded deadly serious. Sometimes things get lost in translation.

I said:

"I sometimes wonder how sceptics accept that the Earth isn't actually flat, since they've only got photos and videos as proof - though I guess many still don't."

Where in the above was the need for a 'woah Tiger' warning? It's a genuine question, which reading the comments above, I still have no answer to.

OK forget the Woah Tiger bit. My only point was that the idea the earth is round is based on masses of scientific evidence, not video, photos or anecdotes. Sorry, I genuinely didn't mean to insult you, if that was what you felt my intention was. I was just pretty shocked that you would draw an equivalence between what I previously stated regarding my scepticism about ufo 'evidence' to date and the evidence that the earth is round.

ok, I see the flat Earth thing is causing a lot of you to obsessively split hairs, though I find it perfectly accpetable myself.

Replace 'flat Earth', with 'Covid sceptic'. 25% of the UK think it was a hoax, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Try that one.

The same thing applies. The existence of skeptics isn't relevant to the question of whether one explanation provides a better and simpler explanation consistent with observed facts and phenomena.

I am not saying extraterrestrials don't exist. I am saying that the reasoning put forward is not strong. The same arguments people are putting forward have the same logical structure of claims about God, angels, etc.

There won't be unanimity of belief about anything. Heck, there are people that believe pi and the square root of two are really rational numbers.

Gavinski

@monz0id said:

@Gavinski said:

@monz0id said:

@Gavinski said:

@monz0id said:

@espiegel123 said:
Because, we don’t only have photos … the Earth being round provided a much more consistent explanation of a lot of observed phenomena than the earth being flat. It was figured out long long ago and provided better explanations than the earth being flat for a host of things people observed.

But there is more than just photographic proof of UFO/UAP existence. Expert, respected testimonies, police/military statements, videos, cockpit, radar recordings etc. Even the PENTAGON acknowledges many of these reports are unexplained.

Out of the 100's of thousands of reports since the 1940's, it's a long stretch of the imagination that something hasn't been recovered at some point.

Aside from actually taking a ride in one, with a genetically proven alien, it's hard to see what would actually convince a hardened sceptic.

Any ideas?

@Gavinski said:
Woah Tiger. What @espiegel123 said above. We often disagree but on this he's bang on the money

Woah tiger yourself, with your 'fries in arse' headlines.

Or is it only sceptics that are allowed to take the piss?

You didn't sound like you were taking the piss though! You sounded deadly serious. Sometimes things get lost in translation.

I said:

"I sometimes wonder how sceptics accept that the Earth isn't actually flat, since they've only got photos and videos as proof - though I guess many still don't."

Where in the above was the need for a 'woah Tiger' warning? It's a genuine question, which reading the comments above, I still have no answer to.

OK forget the Woah Tiger bit. My only point was that the idea the earth is round is based on masses of scientific evidence, not video, photos or anecdotes. Sorry, I genuinely didn't mean to insult you, if that was what you felt my intention was. I was just pretty shocked that you would draw an equivalence between what I previously stated regarding my scepticism about ufo 'evidence' to date and the evidence that the earth is round.

ok, I see the flat Earth thing is causing a lot of you to obsessively split hairs, though I find it perfectly accpetable myself.

Replace 'flat Earth', with 'Covid sceptic'. 25% of the UK think it was a hoax, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Try that one.

I also read that data about the UK population's beliefs today. This to me is exactly evidence of why we are so stupid as a species, not of how intelligent we are. But it's getting too political and these topics are deep. I don't like having forum arguments, these things are better discussed over a few pints / coffees or whatever. So I don't want to be dragged into this. Please let's gently agree to disagree Monzo.

knewspeak

@espiegel123 said:

@monz0id said:

@Gavinski said:

@monz0id said:

@Gavinski said:

@monz0id said:

@espiegel123 said:
Because, we don’t only have photos … the Earth being round provided a much more consistent explanation of a lot of observed phenomena than the earth being flat. It was figured out long long ago and provided better explanations than the earth being flat for a host of things people observed.

But there is more than just photographic proof of UFO/UAP existence. Expert, respected testimonies, police/military statements, videos, cockpit, radar recordings etc. Even the PENTAGON acknowledges many of these reports are unexplained.

Out of the 100's of thousands of reports since the 1940's, it's a long stretch of the imagination that something hasn't been recovered at some point.

Aside from actually taking a ride in one, with a genetically proven alien, it's hard to see what would actually convince a hardened sceptic.

Any ideas?

@Gavinski said:
Woah Tiger. What @espiegel123 said above. We often disagree but on this he's bang on the money

Woah tiger yourself, with your 'fries in arse' headlines.

Or is it only sceptics that are allowed to take the piss?

You didn't sound like you were taking the piss though! You sounded deadly serious. Sometimes things get lost in translation.

I said:

"I sometimes wonder how sceptics accept that the Earth isn't actually flat, since they've only got photos and videos as proof - though I guess many still don't."

Where in the above was the need for a 'woah Tiger' warning? It's a genuine question, which reading the comments above, I still have no answer to.

OK forget the Woah Tiger bit. My only point was that the idea the earth is round is based on masses of scientific evidence, not video, photos or anecdotes. Sorry, I genuinely didn't mean to insult you, if that was what you felt my intention was. I was just pretty shocked that you would draw an equivalence between what I previously stated regarding my scepticism about ufo 'evidence' to date and the evidence that the earth is round.

ok, I see the flat Earth thing is causing a lot of you to obsessively split hairs, though I find it perfectly accpetable myself.

Replace 'flat Earth', with 'Covid sceptic'. 25% of the UK think it was a hoax, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Try that one.

The same thing applies. The existence of skeptics isn't relevant to the question of whether one explanation provides a better and simpler explanation consistent with observed facts and phenomena.

I am not saying extraterrestrials don't exist. I am saying that the reasoning put forward is not strong. The same arguments people are putting forward have the same logical structure of claims about God, angels, etc.

There won't be unanimity of belief about anything. Heck, there are people that believe pi and the square root of two are really rational numbers.

If you had seen an object you had no reference to in regards to know technology and someone suggested it was just a belief, how would you feel?

espiegel123

@knewspeak said:

@espiegel123 said:

@monz0id said:

@Gavinski said:

@monz0id said:

@Gavinski said:

@monz0id said:

@espiegel123 said:
Because, we don’t only have photos … the Earth being round provided a much more consistent explanation of a lot of observed phenomena than the earth being flat. It was figured out long long ago and provided better explanations than the earth being flat for a host of things people observed.

But there is more than just photographic proof of UFO/UAP existence. Expert, respected testimonies, police/military statements, videos, cockpit, radar recordings etc. Even the PENTAGON acknowledges many of these reports are unexplained.

Out of the 100's of thousands of reports since the 1940's, it's a long stretch of the imagination that something hasn't been recovered at some point.

Aside from actually taking a ride in one, with a genetically proven alien, it's hard to see what would actually convince a hardened sceptic.

Any ideas?

@Gavinski said:
Woah Tiger. What @espiegel123 said above. We often disagree but on this he's bang on the money

Woah tiger yourself, with your 'fries in arse' headlines.

Or is it only sceptics that are allowed to take the piss?

You didn't sound like you were taking the piss though! You sounded deadly serious. Sometimes things get lost in translation.

I said:

"I sometimes wonder how sceptics accept that the Earth isn't actually flat, since they've only got photos and videos as proof - though I guess many still don't."

Where in the above was the need for a 'woah Tiger' warning? It's a genuine question, which reading the comments above, I still have no answer to.

OK forget the Woah Tiger bit. My only point was that the idea the earth is round is based on masses of scientific evidence, not video, photos or anecdotes. Sorry, I genuinely didn't mean to insult you, if that was what you felt my intention was. I was just pretty shocked that you would draw an equivalence between what I previously stated regarding my scepticism about ufo 'evidence' to date and the evidence that the earth is round.

ok, I see the flat Earth thing is causing a lot of you to obsessively split hairs, though I find it perfectly accpetable myself.

Replace 'flat Earth', with 'Covid sceptic'. 25% of the UK think it was a hoax, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Try that one.

The same thing applies. The existence of skeptics isn't relevant to the question of whether one explanation provides a better and simpler explanation consistent with observed facts and phenomena.

I am not saying extraterrestrials don't exist. I am saying that the reasoning put forward is not strong. The same arguments people are putting forward have the same logical structure of claims about God, angels, etc.

There won't be unanimity of belief about anything. Heck, there are people that believe pi and the square root of two are really rational numbers.

If you had seen an object you had no reference to in regards to know technology and someone suggested it was just a belief, how would you feel?

How I feel or my confidence in my observation are irrelevant to the question of whether my explanation for my experience is correct.

[Deleted User]

@espiegel123 said:
I am not saying extraterrestrials don't exist. I am saying that the reasoning put forward is not strong.

Gotcha.

Not really much point in us continuing this discussion then, is there, since I can't deliver an actual, live alien to your house.

[Deleted User]

@Gavinski said:
I also read that data about the UK population's beliefs today. This to me is exactly evidence of why we are so stupid as a species, not of how intelligent we are. But it's getting too political and these topics are deep. I don't like having forum arguments, these things are better discussed over a few pints / coffees or whatever. So I don't want to be dragged into this. Please let's gently agree to disagree Monzo.

Yeah fine, but since this thread is for "Anyone into the WOO here? UFOs etc?" where some people are sharing personal, and in some cases sensitive experiences, posting 'joke' comments about 'fries up the arse' is obviously going to get a bit of a response.

Krupa

I stopped talking with mates years ago about whether or not they exist or are actually here, I purely engage with them on it in a spirit of what are they like if they are? Much less upset and far more fun, and it’s great when they go the same way tbh

knewspeak

@espiegel123 said:

@knewspeak said:

@espiegel123 said:

@monz0id said:

@Gavinski said:

@monz0id said:

@Gavinski said:

@monz0id said:

@espiegel123 said:
Because, we don’t only have photos … the Earth being round provided a much more consistent explanation of a lot of observed phenomena than the earth being flat. It was figured out long long ago and provided better explanations than the earth being flat for a host of things people observed.

But there is more than just photographic proof of UFO/UAP existence. Expert, respected testimonies, police/military statements, videos, cockpit, radar recordings etc. Even the PENTAGON acknowledges many of these reports are unexplained.

Out of the 100's of thousands of reports since the 1940's, it's a long stretch of the imagination that something hasn't been recovered at some point.

Aside from actually taking a ride in one, with a genetically proven alien, it's hard to see what would actually convince a hardened sceptic.

Any ideas?

@Gavinski said:
Woah Tiger. What @espiegel123 said above. We often disagree but on this he's bang on the money

Woah tiger yourself, with your 'fries in arse' headlines.

Or is it only sceptics that are allowed to take the piss?

You didn't sound like you were taking the piss though! You sounded deadly serious. Sometimes things get lost in translation.

I said:

"I sometimes wonder how sceptics accept that the Earth isn't actually flat, since they've only got photos and videos as proof - though I guess many still don't."

Where in the above was the need for a 'woah Tiger' warning? It's a genuine question, which reading the comments above, I still have no answer to.

OK forget the Woah Tiger bit. My only point was that the idea the earth is round is based on masses of scientific evidence, not video, photos or anecdotes. Sorry, I genuinely didn't mean to insult you, if that was what you felt my intention was. I was just pretty shocked that you would draw an equivalence between what I previously stated regarding my scepticism about ufo 'evidence' to date and the evidence that the earth is round.

ok, I see the flat Earth thing is causing a lot of you to obsessively split hairs, though I find it perfectly accpetable myself.

Replace 'flat Earth', with 'Covid sceptic'. 25% of the UK think it was a hoax, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Try that one.

The same thing applies. The existence of skeptics isn't relevant to the question of whether one explanation provides a better and simpler explanation consistent with observed facts and phenomena.

I am not saying extraterrestrials don't exist. I am saying that the reasoning put forward is not strong. The same arguments people are putting forward have the same logical structure of claims about God, angels, etc.

There won't be unanimity of belief about anything. Heck, there are people that believe pi and the square root of two are really rational numbers.

If you had seen an object you had no reference to in regards to know technology and someone suggested it was just a belief, how would you feel?

How I feel or my confidence in my observation are irrelevant to the question of whether my explanation for my experience is correct.

We all experience external stimuli, how you internalise this is paramount to that experience and how you further express and relate that experience to others.

knewspeak

@monz0id said:

@Gavinski said:

@monz0id said:

@Gavinski said:

@monz0id said:

@espiegel123 said:
Because, we don’t only have photos … the Earth being round provided a much more consistent explanation of a lot of observed phenomena than the earth being flat. It was figured out long long ago and provided better explanations than the earth being flat for a host of things people observed.

But there is more than just photographic proof of UFO/UAP existence. Expert, respected testimonies, police/military statements, videos, cockpit, radar recordings etc. Even the PENTAGON acknowledges many of these reports are unexplained.

Out of the 100's of thousands of reports since the 1940's, it's a long stretch of the imagination that something hasn't been recovered at some point.

Aside from actually taking a ride in one, with a genetically proven alien, it's hard to see what would actually convince a hardened sceptic.

Any ideas?

@Gavinski said:
Woah Tiger. What @espiegel123 said above. We often disagree but on this he's bang on the money

Woah tiger yourself, with your 'fries in arse' headlines.

Or is it only sceptics that are allowed to take the piss?

You didn't sound like you were taking the piss though! You sounded deadly serious. Sometimes things get lost in translation.

I said:

"I sometimes wonder how sceptics accept that the Earth isn't actually flat, since they've only got photos and videos as proof - though I guess many still don't."

Where in the above was the need for a 'woah Tiger' warning? It's a genuine question, which reading the comments above, I still have no answer to.

OK forget the Woah Tiger bit. My only point was that the idea the earth is round is based on masses of scientific evidence, not video, photos or anecdotes. Sorry, I genuinely didn't mean to insult you, if that was what you felt my intention was. I was just pretty shocked that you would draw an equivalence between what I previously stated regarding my scepticism about ufo 'evidence' to date and the evidence that the earth is round.

ok, I see the flat Earth thing is causing a lot of you to obsessively split hairs, though I find it perfectly accpetable myself.

Replace 'flat Earth', with 'Covid sceptic'. 25% of the UK think it was a hoax, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Try that one.

I wouldn’t believe all you read in Newspapers - the quality of reporting these days is dire - it’s mostly opinion rather than decent inquiry and investigation.

NeuM

@monz0id said:

@NeuM said:

@monz0id said:

@NeuM said:
I'd still remain skeptical until I could see something living or 'flying' for myself. I've seen lots of strange things in my lifetime, but nothing I'd ever attribute to an 'alien intelligence'.

Ain't gonna happen.

That's my take. It ain't gonna happen.

So why are you still taking part in this thread? You have ruled out any kind of acceptance that these things exist unless you personally witness one, which is extremely unlikely.

The thread is titled "Anyone into the WOO here? UFOs etc?"

What are you here for since you're obviously not? Are you just here for a row or what?

Please dial it back a bit. I'm being civil to everyone and you should be too.

[Deleted User]

@NeuM said:

@monz0id said:

@NeuM said:

@monz0id said:

@NeuM said:
I'd still remain skeptical until I could see something living or 'flying' for myself. I've seen lots of strange things in my lifetime, but nothing I'd ever attribute to an 'alien intelligence'.

Ain't gonna happen.

That's my take. It ain't gonna happen.

So why are you still taking part in this thread? You have ruled out any kind of acceptance that these things exist unless you personally witness one, which is extremely unlikely.

The thread is titled "Anyone into the WOO here? UFOs etc?"

What are you here for since you're obviously not? Are you just here for a row or what?

Please dial it back a bit. I'm being civil to everyone and you should be too.

Right, the latter.

You win. I’m out.

SpookyZoo

ALB

This is a really long thread, but as someone who has seen something quite strange in the sky moving faster than anything I had ever seen and zig zagging faster than I have ever seen before or since, I have come to these conclusions:

1) There are things in the sky which are not explainable under the common paradigm.
2) It doesn’t mean they are alien craft( or not).
3) Given the apparent sophistication of the speed and movement that I observed, I am skeptical that any organization, governmental or otherwise, has its hands on the tech. That’s if the tech originated somewhere else. I mean, these things may not just crash somewhere like some old Chevy.
4) This is strange shit, possibly beyond us humans - the true explanations might be non-sensical to us. That doesn’t make me less curious.

Simon

NeuM

@Simon said:

LOL

SNystrom

How petty.

I hope you children are proud of yourselves.

A sad day in the history of ABF.

SNystrom

"When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." — MayaAngelou

echoopera

Any new Portals open up today?

echoopera

…😙

sevenape

Guys… It was meant to be a fun thread of sharing things but of course it’s devolved into petty arguments and blaming people interested in UFOs for climate change. Big ups to all the believers, to all the polite skeptics and to everyone in between. Personally I think the writing is on the wall for the skeptics and we are going to have to rethink our own realities very very soon. but this thread is getting tiring. Literally on the front page Simon is asking about mobile cameras, and 30 pages later it’s the same. We are just going around in circles now.

thank you everyone who took part in this discussion in good faith ) I’ve learned a lot!!!

Simon

Watched the whole 3 hour Greer press conference - thanks to Gav or whoever it was supplied the link. Very interesting.

SNystrom

Oh, of course, let the trolls win!

How truly pathetic would that be?

I’m by no means a “believer”

Just an open-minded person who lets the evidence fall where it may and make my own educated decisions.

I’ll be damned if I’ll let the troll scum of this site enjoy the spoils of their absolutist rants destroy this enlightened thread.

sevenape

I’m just so very tired. There’s so much aggressive spittle flecked ranting coming from pseudo skeptics everywhere at the moment not only on this thread, but literally everywhere. But it just takes a cursory look at things to see that our reality is not what it seems. I mean they are even trying to connect with other dimensions at CERN. I truly believe we are at the threshold of an ontological revolution. But people are so caught up in their shit that they deny what’s in front of them

SNystrom

@Simon said:
Watched the whole 3 hour Greer press conference - thanks to Gav or whoever it was supplied the link. Very interesting.

So funny you would mention watching all three hours — after the whole three hour video was taken dow and broken-up into segments more than a day ago.

Feeling guilty about all the nasty things you have posted on this thread over the past weeks?

Has a moderator or two confronted you and your disgusting posts and comments???

It must suck to be an insufferable troll, right?

Perhaps you’ll say three hail Mary’s and all will be right in your tiny little world.

Sweet dreams 🤗

SNystrom

It is past your bedtime, right little man?

Gavinski

@sevenape said:
I’m just so very tired. There’s so much aggressive spittle flecked ranting coming from pseudo skeptics everywhere at the moment not only on this thread, but literally everywhere. But it just takes a cursory look at things to see that our reality is not what it seems. I mean they are even trying to connect with other dimensions at CERN. I truly believe we are at the threshold of an ontological revolution. But people are so caught up in their shit that they deny what’s in front of them

I don't see that the sceptics have been aggressive here or ranty, actually, Dan tbh. At least not in the posts I've read, because I have not followed the whole thread. The only truly unpleasant behaviour I saw was from some of the believers. It's a pity you feel the need to close the thead, but yes, things have definitely turned a bit nasty.

SNystrom

So incredibly happy I canceled everything with regards to you, Gav.

At first I had a second thoughts, but now I definitely know I made the right decision 🤗

Just wait until I start trolling your videos.

Will be WILD!

Enjoy the ride — DOWN 😊

sevenape

You could be right gav. I dunno. I’m just tired of waking up to see I have 40 notifications and it’s just people fighting. Feel a bit guilty tbh I love this forum, it’s my safe place !