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You can always do this 😜
Am I correct that this has no MIDI in, and you can’t add MIDI notes after you’ve captured a sequence, only move/transpose/delete? It’s way too hard to play the chord voicings I want with their dumb pads and small keyboard. And not being able to add notes seems egregious? I have to be missing something.
there is no midi in.
you can enter in notes after capture.
wait how?
just play more notes and click add, that's how I work in Ableton Live with capture also. Keeps it quick and spontaneous.
Oh yeah, but you can't enter notes directly to the sequence, you need to perform them.
It's weird but its a compromise I'm willing to take.
For chords give us midi in and we can manage
I'd rather use Push than that sized display. But would like to see a Push ipad app which added to the Push experience and gave a cut down version of the set and bigger Push graphics for ipad displays. That would work well I think.
We already have a Push style app for iPad. It’s either LK or Touchable. It’s not Ableton sponsored so they can only do what they can with those apps, but both are great if you want to have a Push style experience on the iPad.
I love the way you guys are hyping basic missing sequencer functionality as a plus point
i'm not hyping anything, I was answering a question truthfully.
It was a general observation, a light-hearted post, not directed at anyone in particular.
But your comment “ Keeps it quick and spontaneous”, does makes it sound like not having proper MIDI editing tools (like there is in…erm…Ableton, and almost every other sequence based app), is a bonus feature, rather than a missing one…
It’s Version 1 guys. 🤦🏽♂️
I don't mean a replacement for Push like Touchable but an accompanying app which would enhance Push, eg show the corresponding set and Push settings in more detail on the ipad as you interact with Push like an extended Push display, this would be really nice. But it would be aimed mainly at Push owners.
Something official from Ableton which did this would be very useful, maybe it could work in a limited way as a controller if you don't have a Push (then it could be an incentive to buy one for full ability).
There is an unofficial Push 2 script I have which shows the session clips on the Push display but it's a bit buggy, I hope Ableton might think of how the ipad screen could enhance the Push as an extra display.
Well that’s the point innit. It’s where you start stuff without having to think too much.
My comment meant what it said to be honest. I find it quick and spontaneous for me to use the capture to enter in midi notes.
I didn't imply anything else.
I'm sure midi input will come though along with other additions, its a great time.
Having standard editing tools on top doesn’t stop you doing that.
As I said, it was a general observation not aimed at anyone in particular. Normally a lack of MIDI editing tools in a MIDI sequencing app would raise a few eyebrows on here, as would complete lack of AUV3, or even basic IAA connectivity.
It’s quite notable (no pun intended) how this app is being lauded for things that it doesn’t have.
The more I think about it, the more I think the design principle of project portability will keep Ableton Note very simple, though I expect and hope that we'll see evolution in note entry and editing and midi input. But the minute you introduce e.g. AUv3 plugin support, you compromise the perfect portability of projects between Note devices and Ableton Live.
My hope though, is that Note is a "testing the waters" app for Ableton and lays the foundation for a future product that is more like Live (i.e. with a timeline and AUv3 support etc etc).
I don't know, it's a $5 app that seems pretty rewarding to many. It's really like no other groovebox on iOS. I'm not in love with the sounds at all, but there's definitely something about it that is inspiring. I'm not sure that the stuff I'm making with it sounds at all like me. @monz0id Are you finding it productive or is the lack of midi editing too frustrating?
I haven’t bought it yet - the lack of connectivity, MIDI editing tools, and the fact it isn’t compatible with my version of Live (10) mean I can’t see what edge it’d have over what I can already do with Gadget, and other MIDI sequencers.
I think it’s good they’ve made an app, it’s a great price, and it’s great so many are having a blast with it.
I’ll wait and see how it develops. If, it develops.
yep, it works great without a lot of editing features already, that's the point of the app in general.
quick takes to transfer to Ableton Live to continue.
No doubt most people will enjoy the app as it stands (and fair play, you do get a lot of stuff for a fiver), but I think the point of the app is to get people to buy their desktop software (and encourage those of us on previous versions to upgrade), so they can access proper editing and sequencing tools.
Though obviously I would be delighted to be proved wrong, and see an update with all the missing bits added in.
I think the app is aimed mostly at people who already own their desktop software. They’re the ones who will get the most out of Note, and I’d bet they’re a bigger group than us iOS-based musicians. Of course, if i gets some of us to buy/upgrade Live, they won’t complain 🙂
The important thing for me is that it runs on my iPhone 6S and now I can't make music even more mobile!
For 5 bucks I no longer wish to have a Dirtywave M8
These days I RARELY buy apps that don’t support Auv3, as in almost never and I’m fine with Note not being an AU or letting you load Auv3 instruments or fx, I think it just ensures compatibility and tighter integration with Ableton Live 11. I don’t mind it as it is but I would love it if I could use a midi keyboard with it. As far as a piano grid and inputting notes that way would be very beneficial and useful when using Bluetooth heads phones , we all know about the latency with Bluetooth headphones and speakers and since Apple got rid of headphone jacks a piano grid seems like a no brainer.
Having said all of that the latest version of Ableton Live does support Auv3s, So who knows, maybe Note will too someday ?
You know, after a night of just messing around with Note, I'm really impressed with the workflow. The lack of a grid is fantastic, actually. And I know how that sounds like a rationalization, but being forced to nudge a poorly timed note rather than just snapping it to a visible grid has led to some really organic-sounding beats. (I mean, the obvious clam gets fixed, but for the most part, if it swings, it stays.) It kind of reminds me of playing into the Digitakt. The offending note can be adjusted with micro-timing, but I find that if it sounds good, I don't mess with it.
I'm getting really interesting stuff out of Note that doesn't sound like any other app.
And @monz0id you're absolutely right. This is ultimately a companion to Live, and I'm honestly thinking, Huh, maybe next sale I'll pick up Ableton Suite — and maybe a Push 2, why not!?
it’s a pretty cheap way to expand Ableton Lite by 8 midi tracks (well at the expense of one audio track.)
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Oh I definitely think it’s good to encourage people to be more spontaneous - I just think there’s no harm in having the standard tools to hand if you need them. My bunch of banana hands mean I get into a right old pickle when I’m recording into this type of app, so it’d be helpful for clots like me. When I use Gadget and Koala, I always have to go back in and tidy up afterwards. These aren’t spontaneous hot jazz licks to be treasured, or nudged, they’re mistakes that require serious fixing.
Expensive app this, eh!
Ironically, given my (constructive) criticism of this app, I’m a massive fan of Live itself. Over the years I’ve been through almost every DAW going, and never quite settled until I bought the V10 Suite. It just clicked straight away. Love it. Maybe my expectations for the app are too high?
I’ve got a reasonable upgrade offer to V11 that I’ve been chewing over, a sale would definitely tip the balance though. I wouldn’t mind a Push too as well, if I had your money.
@monz0id wrote:
I don’t think Ableton is primarily trying to create new Ableton users as much as provide their existing users a bridge…possibly laying some groundwork for a future where mobile has a more serious role in professional production workflows. It’s probably an added. benefit if it convinces some version 10 fence sitters to upgrade to 11 so much the better.
Undoubtedly, they’ll add features over time as they see how it’s received.
For the people wishing it hosted AUv3: hosting AUv3 is a quagmire. It is much more involved than you probably imagine—unless you have written an AU host. I think Ableton is wise to steer clear off it for Note and focus on other aspects of the app that will benefit Live users.