Magic Delay is Out

Angie

Doug’s livestream from yesterday:

I ended up getting it and like it. After being reluctant to spend $20 on an effect, the value equation shifted when I started considering this as a $20 synth refresher to breathe new life into a lot of my older apps. Having an absolute blast revisiting old boring synth presets and
listening to them bloom with fresh evolving sonic nuance.

knewspeak

As to the comparison between desktop and iOS markets, mostly you can’t, software on the desktop is often sold as to be used on multiple platforms MacOS, Windows sometimes even Linux and also in quite a few cases your license may be resold. Maybe we will see the increasing possibility on iOS, which aside from a very few cases has been made possible.

ghost_forests

@Angie said:
I think this might be the convincer for me:

Underworld!

ExAsperis99

Does this delay do anything that Fabfilter's Timeless can't? (All the LFO's and tweakable parameters in Timeless are largely unexplored by my small lizard brain; am I only imagining that it can affect specific frequencies the way Magic Delay can?)

JohnnyGoodyear

@ExAsperis99 said:
Does this delay do anything that Fabfilter's Timeless can't? (All the LFO's and tweakable parameters in Timeless are largely unexplored by my small lizard brain; am I only imagining that it can affect specific frequencies the way Magic Delay can?)

Yeah, my thinking also. Plus Other Desert Cities which, you know, has the best name....

Angie

@ExAsperis99 said:
Does this delay do anything that Fabfilter's Timeless can't?

Run on an iPhone

audiblevideo

Love the flexibility and the straight ahead UI and the morphing pad. Sounds are great too no clicks or pops - its almost a granular synth

ExAsperis99

@Angie said:

@ExAsperis99 said:
Does this delay do anything that Fabfilter's Timeless can't?

Run on an iPhone

Excellent point. I was about to compare it to the Toneboosters' delay when it suddenly hit me: Why is there no Toneboosters delay?

Slush

@ExAsperis99 said:

@Angie said:

@ExAsperis99 said:
Does this delay do anything that Fabfilter's Timeless can't?

Run on an iPhone

Excellent point. I was about to compare it to the Toneboosters' delay when it suddenly hit me: Why is there no Toneboosters delay?

Well, there’s one in Reelbus. But no TB Delay only app.

craftycurate

@ExAsperis99 said:
Does this delay do anything that Fabfilter's Timeless can't? (All the LFO's and tweakable parameters in Timeless are largely unexplored by my small lizard brain; am I only imagining that it can affect specific frequencies the way Magic Delay can?)

Up to a point ... Timeless has extensive filtering options, but AFAIK they can't be set individually per tap, or based on frequency. You can set Timeless filter mode to stereo, mid/side, or per channel which does offer a lot of creative options, but not based on input frequency or per tap.

If there is a per tap mode I haven't ever found it or used it.

richardyot

@JohnnyGoodyear said:

@ExAsperis99 said:
Does this delay do anything that Fabfilter's Timeless can't? (All the LFO's and tweakable parameters in Timeless are largely unexplored by my small lizard brain; am I only imagining that it can affect specific frequencies the way Magic Delay can?)

Yeah, my thinking also. Plus Other Desert Cities which, you know, has the best name....

This delay is fundamentally different from them. You can set different delay times per frequency which is the USP of this app.

CracklePot

@richardyot said:

@JohnnyGoodyear said:

@ExAsperis99 said:
Does this delay do anything that Fabfilter's Timeless can't? (All the LFO's and tweakable parameters in Timeless are largely unexplored by my small lizard brain; am I only imagining that it can affect specific frequencies the way Magic Delay can?)

Yeah, my thinking also. Plus Other Desert Cities which, you know, has the best name....

This delay is fundamentally different from them. You can set different delay times per frequency which is the USP of this app.

Band Delay is closer, but this seems to have a lot more control options.

Blipsford_Baubie

@craftycurate said:

@ExAsperis99 said:
Does this delay do anything that Fabfilter's Timeless can't? (All the LFO's and tweakable parameters in Timeless are largely unexplored by my small lizard brain; am I only imagining that it can affect specific frequencies the way Magic Delay can?)

Up to a point ... Timeless has extensive filtering options, but AFAIK they can't be set individually per tap, or based on frequency. You can set Timeless filter mode to stereo, mid/side, or per channel which does offer a lot of creative options, but not based on input frequency or per tap.

If there is a per tap mode I haven't ever found it or used it.

Frequency per tap exists on Yukawa delay, if that helps, and if I’m ever understanding correctly.

Gavinski

@Blipsford_Baubie said:

@craftycurate said:

@ExAsperis99 said:
Does this delay do anything that Fabfilter's Timeless can't? (All the LFO's and tweakable parameters in Timeless are largely unexplored by my small lizard brain; am I only imagining that it can affect specific frequencies the way Magic Delay can?)

Up to a point ... Timeless has extensive filtering options, but AFAIK they can't be set individually per tap, or based on frequency. You can set Timeless filter mode to stereo, mid/side, or per channel which does offer a lot of creative options, but not based on input frequency or per tap.

If there is a per tap mode I haven't ever found it or used it.

Frequency per tap exists on Yukawa delay, if that helps, and if I’m ever understanding correctly.

That's cutoff frequency for the filter. In Magic Delay you can set it to have different delay times depending on the frequency of what you're inputting. Eg. You could have 1000khz sounds trigger a dotted 16th delay while 1010khz could trigger a completely different delay time. You could have literally hundreds of different delay times, even thousands, all happening simultaneously, each triggered by a different Hz value! Nothing else does that to that level. Band delay yes, but fewer bands.

Blipsford_Baubie

Ah, frequency input. Gotcha.

ervin

@Gavinski said:

@Blipsford_Baubie said:

@craftycurate said:

@ExAsperis99 said:
Does this delay do anything that Fabfilter's Timeless can't? (All the LFO's and tweakable parameters in Timeless are largely unexplored by my small lizard brain; am I only imagining that it can affect specific frequencies the way Magic Delay can?)

Up to a point ... Timeless has extensive filtering options, but AFAIK they can't be set individually per tap, or based on frequency. You can set Timeless filter mode to stereo, mid/side, or per channel which does offer a lot of creative options, but not based on input frequency or per tap.

If there is a per tap mode I haven't ever found it or used it.

Frequency per tap exists on Yukawa delay, if that helps, and if I’m ever understanding correctly.

That's cutoff frequency for the filter. In Magic Delay you can set it to have different delay times depending on the frequency of what you're inputting. Eg. You could have 1000khz sounds trigger a dotted 16th delay while 1010khz could trigger a completely different delay time. You could have literally hundreds of different delay times, even thousands, all happening simultaneously, each triggered by a different Hz value! Nothing else does that to that level. Band delay yes, but fewer bands.

A rather uneducated question: in practice, why would one use hundreds or thousands of different delay times on a single sound in an actual mix? Or is it a cool feature to be appreciated in itself or in sound design?

Gavinski

@ervin said:

@Gavinski said:

@Blipsford_Baubie said:

@craftycurate said:

@ExAsperis99 said:
Does this delay do anything that Fabfilter's Timeless can't? (All the LFO's and tweakable parameters in Timeless are largely unexplored by my small lizard brain; am I only imagining that it can affect specific frequencies the way Magic Delay can?)

Up to a point ... Timeless has extensive filtering options, but AFAIK they can't be set individually per tap, or based on frequency. You can set Timeless filter mode to stereo, mid/side, or per channel which does offer a lot of creative options, but not based on input frequency or per tap.

If there is a per tap mode I haven't ever found it or used it.

Frequency per tap exists on Yukawa delay, if that helps, and if I’m ever understanding correctly.

That's cutoff frequency for the filter. In Magic Delay you can set it to have different delay times depending on the frequency of what you're inputting. Eg. You could have 1000khz sounds trigger a dotted 16th delay while 1010khz could trigger a completely different delay time. You could have literally hundreds of different delay times, even thousands, all happening simultaneously, each triggered by a different Hz value! Nothing else does that to that level. Band delay yes, but fewer bands.

A rather uneducated question: in practice, why would one use hundreds or thousands of different delay times on a single sound in an actual mix? Or is it a cool feature to be appreciated in itself or in sound design?

I think more for sound design etc. The vid posted up the thread is a pretty good intro, even if the vocal sample used started to do my nut in after a few mins and I never made it to the end lol.

This delay also has some really interesting modulation possibilities too, with a lot of weird and less commonly seen modulation sources, plus modulation is very easy to assign. There's a lot to like even if it definitely is a bit pricey by ios standards

richardyot

@ervin said:

@Gavinski said:

@Blipsford_Baubie said:

@craftycurate said:

@ExAsperis99 said:
Does this delay do anything that Fabfilter's Timeless can't? (All the LFO's and tweakable parameters in Timeless are largely unexplored by my small lizard brain; am I only imagining that it can affect specific frequencies the way Magic Delay can?)

Up to a point ... Timeless has extensive filtering options, but AFAIK they can't be set individually per tap, or based on frequency. You can set Timeless filter mode to stereo, mid/side, or per channel which does offer a lot of creative options, but not based on input frequency or per tap.

If there is a per tap mode I haven't ever found it or used it.

Frequency per tap exists on Yukawa delay, if that helps, and if I’m ever understanding correctly.

That's cutoff frequency for the filter. In Magic Delay you can set it to have different delay times depending on the frequency of what you're inputting. Eg. You could have 1000khz sounds trigger a dotted 16th delay while 1010khz could trigger a completely different delay time. You could have literally hundreds of different delay times, even thousands, all happening simultaneously, each triggered by a different Hz value! Nothing else does that to that level. Band delay yes, but fewer bands.

A rather uneducated question: in practice, why would one use hundreds or thousands of different delay times on a single sound in an actual mix? Or is it a cool feature to be appreciated in itself or in sound design?

As Gav says it's a great app for creating unusual textures, and the sounds it makes are pretty unique and very different to the other delays on the market. Add to that the very comprehensive (and again fairly unique) modulation system and you have an app that just sounds different to the others.

Would you use this in a mix? On an important lead instrument yes, why not? It would give that instrument a unique sound.

drewinnit

@drewinnit said:
Looks great!

How long will the intro price be available for?

@gsdsp sorry if I missed this info, could you please tell us how long the intro sale will last?

Thanks!

Angie

@Blipsford_Baubie said:
Ah, frequency input. Gotcha.

More than that. 4 different ways to modulate off of frequency via the pattern of frequency brightness, the abundance of frequencies moving past, the weighted average of the frequency spectrum, and the flatness of the spectrum pattern (still trying to get a sense of what flatness means exactly)

And that’s not just input frequency, you could track off of output or one of two side chains. ( @gsdsp - I can’t find the side chain connection multi-bus input yet using Magic Delay in AUM. )

You can also tune the attack and release rate to make your LFO respond as you like to whichever of the 4 sources x 4 frequency measures that you like.

And you could externally modulate those 16 states and their attacks and decays with external modulators.

And there’s 8 of these LFOs to play with, with several more ways to drive them than just frequency.

I like the range of LFO variety, and the ease of access to all of the types and their adjustable parameters. It makes for a lot of complex sound possibilities with minimal menu diving.

gsdsp

@drewinnit We haven‘t decided how long the intro price will be available yet, but definitely till christmas

@Angie Thanks for reporting, we‘ll check that! If there is an issue, we will fix it in an update.

BTW we usually push free updates every 2-3 months, so expect UI/UX improvements, more modulators, etc. simply put: more magic is being added on a regular basis

drewinnit

@gsdsp sweet, thanks for the info

taeo

Lorichs

Bought it and I love it. But it is cpu HEAVY.

Zerozerozero

@Lorichs said:
Bought it and I love it. But it is cpu HEAVY.

Thanks for relaying. Really liked look of it but only using phone so reluctantly pass for now. 👍🏻

NoncompliantBryant

Anyone own ape delay and magic delay? I'm trying to understand what MD adds compared with other spectral delays.

Angie

@NoncompliantBryant said:
Anyone own ape delay and magic delay? I'm trying to understand what MD adds compared with other spectral delays.

Not sure how right I am with this, but it seems like apeDelay executes a spectral delay onto an audio file using all of the information pulled from a static frequency spectrum.

MagicDelay executes an ever evolving set of spectral delay instructions based on 4 drawn in static frequency graphs that get modulated (in several possible directions) by a set of 8 LFOs that can be anything from nothing (off/static) to sine to envelope followers to the really fancy LFOs created from reading ever changing frequency spectra (from your choice of input, 2 side chains, or output frequency spectra - analyzed with your choice of 4 different algorithms.)

So like apeDelay, you can draw in 4 frequency maps to drive the delay. Then you can drive those frequency selectors with live spectral analysis or other LFO types. Then you can morph between the 4 wildly moving frequency maps.

And it can all be done with just a dial twiddling level of seriousness and it turns a familiar sound into all kinds of stuff so far beyond my sound design abilities with all of my other tools.”Magic” was a good choice of name for this one because it is so simple to make expressive, captivating and unfamiliar sounds.

It’s filling my need for sonic greed and spits out more tonal delights than I can find a way to use.

It does work in AUM on my iPhone 11 Pro Max. Warms it up a bit, but fine for making glorious new sounds to collect and layer in a rompler type apps or samplers.

Lorichs

@Zerozerozero said:

@Lorichs said:
Bought it and I love it. But it is cpu HEAVY.

Thanks for relaying. Really liked look of it but only using phone so reluctantly pass for now. 👍🏻

Stuntman_mike

@knewspeak said:
As to the comparison between desktop and iOS markets, mostly you can’t, software on the desktop is often sold as to be used on multiple platforms MacOS, Windows sometimes even Linux and also in quite a few cases your license may be resold. Maybe we will see the increasing possibility on iOS, which aside from a very few cases has been made possible.

I feel like software resell model is dead, never really took off. Subscription is the reality of our world now: Netflix, Spotify, Office, Adobe, Ring, Arcade, iCloud etc. We either pay monthly or buy major updates every couple years. I’ve worked in the healthcare industry for over twenty years and I’m even seeing concierge practices that allow patients to pay a monthly subscription to see their doctor instead of using insurance. Get used to mobile and subscriptions.

enkaytee

I'm having latency issues in AUM - running 2 instances of Magicdelay causes both to crash with warnings...😕