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This greatly benefits from the use of sustain
On a touchscreen, I am finding Xequence AU Keys a pretty good choice for sustain control as well as velocity.
I love and use felt pianos a lot, (I also felted my grand piano, now I`m designing a kind of device for putting the felt with easy, Would be great something so easy as with the upright!) And the decay time is the same as without the felt... What is different is the curve of the decay, but not the overall sustain.
Lets say that without the felt the decay is more linear and with felt the decay is more exponential. So with the felt, apart from muting some harmonic partials, it also change the attack and decay curves characteristic of the piano.
So, doing a felt emulation don´t change the sustain time...
One of the things I love when playin or composing with felt is that the percussive decay is followed by a long sustain (the same as without felt) and also because there are less harmonics in the sound you can hear more clearly all the resonances of the soundboard. all that makes an ethereal quality to the sound.
I like some piano samples I have heard that are so felted that they tend to mute the strings making it sound closer to a marimba in its envelope. Then you can play these rhythmic patterns that sound similar to a Kalimba.
Off track a bit for this particular thread.
I get some of these deviant pianos from the good folks at PianoBook.co.uk. Some record using hand muting to get the effect of a short punchy piano sound.
Excited about this whole series, and all the great piano sounds to use… cheers
jason
My personal feeling is that the Emporeor sounds great at lower velocities but at higher velocities with a lot of polyphony, seems to get a bit jarring and easily goes above 0db
So to get it to sound good I generally need to lower the volume of the inbuilt modules.
Yes, it's easy enough for the user to adjust the volume and / or use a limiter
@Gavinski : the app has built-in velocity scaling. You can adjust it if you want to avoid the highest velocities being too loud for your taste
Thanks Ed, didn't notice that.
I would love btw if the app worked well at smaller sizes. The main controls are impossibly hard to see (for me at any rate) on the default small size in AUM. There's just so much wasted space with the black areas and the keyboard which is for decoration only. To tweak knobs, I have to open this at full size, and that's on a 12.9 Pro. A super tight interface that didn't waste any space and was readable and easily tweakable even at small sizes would be appreciated by most users I think.
Hal is being very nice today. Thank you Hal. I like nice Hal!
Did you know that you can pinch zoom to make the interface bigger?
I too wish the default zoom level was user-friendly.
Yes you can pinch to zoom but I can't see how to scroll, which means that part of the knobs interface gets cut off. I tried various gestures for scrolling but none worked. Do you know of a way to scroll?
@Gavinski : it doesn't seem that scrolling is possible, but i find that it is possible to zoom the interface to a size where the controls are usable even though there is space above the control panel
This is what default small size in AUM looks like on a 12.9 pro
Ok, thanks for clarifying
Still, would be easy to get rid of the black space and the keyboard. I think most users would appreciate this, really.
It’s definitely not a problem that can’t be worked around - if it was, I would not have bought the app, which as I said, I love the sound of. But the ideal would be to utilize space more efficiently and have no wasted space for purely aesthetic reasons. Just my 2 cents, others may disagree
Well, of course I know how to scale it. That’s not the point, and please stop putting down anyone who makes constructive criticism in a polite way.
Again with the threats. This is a complete overreaction. I've been nothing but civil in this interaction, there's no aspect of trolling whatsoever. In fact, you're the one who's trolling. I have spoken several times here about how much I like this piano. I have also made several constructive comments about how in my opinion it could be improved, which is my right as a purchaser of this app. Chill Jens, please.
No it’s not trolling really. It’s certainly frustrating for you since User Interface issues on 5 distinct platforms with multiple OS versions is a huge test case.
It’s these types of exchanges that most often lead a developer to just avoid the forum entirely:
@LuisMartinez of the LUMBeats apps gets hammered to make his software in AUv3 packages. He shows up to announce new products and sales but no exchange on user input.
@SevenSystems stays but just holds the line on AUv3 as a coding challenge he’s not really eager to take on. He has produced a couple AUv3 tools so maybe his cash cow app will get a version 3 with AUv3 to work inside our DAW’s. I think he’s too busy making his own music with “Xequence 2”.
Korg won’t even put a comment on the forum… How we wish they would keep making their synths AUv3.
Some of the solo developers with relatively simple apps (coded in Swift for example) have made the jump to AUv3 like the
Excellent Piano Motifs which frankly needs a Piano to be used effectively so I’m glad it got the AUv3 update. Simple apps are pretty easy to update and change based upon user input. @azul3D_Apps added a tip jar to his product (as did @j_liljedahl) to justify the steady stream of free updates for users that feed him requests.
USER INTERFACE CODE:
The Big shops use a User Interface Framework like “Juce” to simplify coding for so many targets. JUCE is not free and I think they might license for a cut of each app so we pay for their code too. I think the AudioKit folks also have a lot of re-useable code to manage user interface and AUv3 coding and it is free.
I think the user interface here is not a major concern because I can work it after a little effort on all my devices… zoom is the key Feature. Some apps can’t zoom and I need a magnifying lens for tiny knobs and maybe the Apple Pencil for touch the knobs. That’s the worst case.
jason you should just make your call on requests and write “Asked and answered”. Some will just harp and seek ways to budge you but that’s just a part of dealing with a customer base.
@gavinski does this with all the new apps and in many cases he gets us fixes when they makes sense and sometimes they just are not… like the sample import for “LoopMix” in it’s AUv3 instance which some say “Drambo” can do but the LoopMix folks use JUCE and it doesn’t provide the code to make it easy and work on all platforms. Developers are requesting JUCE fix this area to change their apps to “do what Drambo do”. For me the Drambo UI is a bridge too far and I never got into it. Primarily because it takes a lot of work to craft a sound that competes with something like “Tera Pro” or “Continua” and I need immediate feedback. Drambo also has a convoluted file type scheme that makes the free patches on patchstorage a puzzle everytime I try and use one… well NOT everytime but enough that I just stay with AUM and write my own sequencing in Mozaic for the thrill of
Acting like a programmer in a sandbox,.
I really hope you continue the dialog here and don’t get defeated by anyone that wants what they want ASAP. Continue to refine and polish your apps on your schedule. I respect your efforts to make these products robust and a good value.
I just hope we don’t insult you into just coding and releasing without any discussion like so many developers do.
I try and coach some here to be patient and give the coder time to react to issues that surface after the product releases.
The worst example of a dog pile I can recall was the excellent OBXD synth that has a lot of issues when released with a lot of refunds and trash talk. Now it’s considered by many to be one of their top 5 synths. Go figure.
Jason, I am going to buy your Emperor piano because I feel my objections have been met and mastered. Of course, the truth, for me, will be in the actual playing. This, indeed, might be a good piano with interesting tweakability That being said, your approach to this, IMO, is not conducive to a good relationship with many here who do not express the “Bad Energy” you usually misdiagnose. So let me make a few points you will certainly take umbrage at. I make them not for you, but for the audience you have garnered with your petulance.
1.it is foolish to compare any iOS piano to a good acoustic grand, as anyone can hear listening to the second example of the Rach piece you post. Neither the Ravenscroft, nor your piano, nor any other iOS piano comes close to reproducing that sound.
To dismiss Ravenscroft as not sounding “like” a piano is patently ridiculous.
because there is no context given. The context, of course, is that this is an iOS piano. And, in this context, your pianos fare no better or worse because both are simulacra of a real object in a real world.
Your vitriol is the creepy part. @Gavinski has given more to this community than the addition of one more iOS piano (or your ten) ever will. As @McD said, Gavin’s astute observations have led to many a good fix by devs who are open minded. I have never seen him act in an unfriendly way and I posit to you as a purveyor o bad energy… bad energy in, bad energy out. You are hearing with ears that demonstrate, IMO, your insecurity and it’s counterpart, grandiosity.
I will say that your strange behavior has made this a most popular thread. Perhaps this is intentional and a clever tactic on your part. If that’s the case I applaud you for it.
Your self destructive personality aside, I do not judge your (or anyone’s) work by their personal insufficiencies. It seems you have , indeed, made quite a nice piano, by iOS standards. That should be enough for you, but I doubt it,
Jason, you gave no impression that you liked me in the least. In fact, just the opposite. Perhaps you are the one that does not see the world clearly. That's called projection. I piss on your responses here but I still like what you have done and will buy it,
Jason, you are the most toxic person on this forum by a very long stretch. Your vitriol towards the world and towards those who do anything other than praise you is getting very tedious. Time to take a break and go work on that UI.
Jens, you’re the one who turns things into a drama, very unnecessarily. Look back through the threads with a quiet mind when you’re not feeling so angry. Please just take a break now.
@Gavinski : if you want less drama and more understanding, private communication might be more effective than public accusations and publicly grading someone’s attitude.
We will have to disagree on that, and many others agree with me. Bad behaviour needs to be called out. Having done private communication with Jason in the past, I have no desire to go back there.
Jason, of course I don't piss on you. I piss on your repugnant responses… barely worth my micturition.
Maybe our well balanced mod @CapnWillie should consider this, oh so important, subject snd levy Justice all around,
Like all projectionists, your hateful attacks on honest contributors like @Gavinski are perfectly fine but woe betide anyone who doesn’t agree with you.
Indeed, Jason thinks it’s fine to be very abusive to those whose views he disagrees with, but the mildest criticism from others, even if well meant, results in a spiteful torrent of abuse and threats. This is not in the spirit of this forum, and I am surprised that so many people, whether mods or members, are letting it silently pass, as if it’s ok. It is very much not ok. Are people reading this thread, and many others started by Jason, really ok with the tone that he is bringing to the conversation here?
No, I never used them, not even one for myself