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I made a pad-based Midi Poly Grid app with MPE support (Open Source)

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  • MPE Grid Controller? Not the sexiest name but it does what it says on the tin and will hopefully fare better with the search algo?

  • Hmm I would like to have a little fun in the name still though. But I get your point @Gavinski

    It may sound silly, but what about

    • Meow Meow Midi Pads
      ?! 😅. maybe I am drawn to bad name choices haha
  • @anzbert said:
    @LeftyChris I am just uploading a hotfix with an added Perfect Fifth (Quint) Layout. Should be online in the next 48h. The next larger update is still a while away.

    I totally agree with the app name sentiment. When I first made it, it was really just for finger drumming, but it evolved into a MPE midi note App.

    I would love to relaunch it with a new name and suggestions are welcome!! It should be something that describes its function well and is unique enough to be searchable.

    Would "MPE Midi Pads" be better, or is that not catchy enough ?! I need some creative support haha

    thx everyone!!

    Wow, thanks so much for adding the perfect fifths layout! Fantastic!

    Ah, so actually that’s what it was originally, a finger drumming app! I didn’t know that.

  • edited May 2023

    @anzbert said:
    Hmm I would like to have a little fun in the name still though. But I get your point @Gavinski

    It may sound silly, but what about

    • Meow Meow Midi Pads
      ?! 😅. maybe I am drawn to bad name choices haha

    I think @Gavinski is probably right that having the word grid in the name is a good idea. I think that saying pads without the word grid will still convey the idea that it’s primarily a percussion app.

    There’s a talented guy on YouTube who plays Bach and other Baroque music on two Novation Launchpads tuned to perfect fourths and he calls them a “Keygrid.” Also not especially sexy but quite descriptive. (Of course it’s possible he’s copyrighted this term.)

    Here’s the guy playing Bach if anyone is interested:

    If you use Meow Meow, then you’d have to get rid of the cute doggie, though!

  • edited May 2023

    @Gavinski said:
    MPE Grid Controller? Not the sexiest name but it does what it says on the tin and will hopefully fare better with the search algo?

    My vote would be something very similar: MPE Grid Keyboard. This would really describe what it is/does very well. After all, since it plays notes and scales, it is a kind of keyboard.

    Of course, I realize that you have to balance meaning with appeal. Calling it something like “Variable Tuning Isomorphic Keyboard” would also be accurate but it would scare off most customers! 😂

  • I know what you guys mean with choosing a more descriptive name, but I find an "all business" name hard to digest. In my opinion, there needs to be at least a little bit of a fun side to the new name.

    And yeah, it would be shame to loose the doggo haha.

    I'll keep thinking about it

  • DogStrument :D

  • @Samplix said:
    DogStrument :D

    :D

  • edited May 2023

    Hi @anzbert

    It was so cool of you to implement the perfect fifths layout overnight like that. I wonder if I could ask you to consider another feature request: Could you add a piano keys mode under Pad Colors? Meaning, could you add a mode where the white key notes on a piano are colored white on the grid and the black key notes on a piano are colored black on the grid?

    Of course, it doesn’t actually have to be black and white - any two strongly contrasting colors could be chosen, as long as the white key notes are illuminated by a lighter color than the black key notes, in order to maintain the pattern of piano keys.

    This is another feature of the Linnstrument that I like and it’s also on the Synthstrom Deluge. On the Linnstrument the C notes are colored in a third color to make them stand out, which is also pretty cool.

    This is what it looks like on the Linnstrument when using the perfect fourths layout (the White keys on a piano/C major scale in green, C notes in blue).

  • @LeftyChris said:
    Hi @anzbert

    It was so cool of you to implement the perfect fifths layout overnight like that. I wonder if I could ask you to consider another feature request: Could you add a piano keys mode under Pad Colors? Meaning, could you add a mode where the white key notes on a piano are colored white on the grid and the black key notes on a piano are colored black on the grid?

    Of course, it doesn’t actually have to be black and white - any two strongly contrasting colors could be chosen, as long as the white key notes are illuminated by a lighter color than the black key notes, in order to maintain the pattern of piano keys.

    This is another feature of the Linnstrument that I like and it’s also on the Synthstrom Deluge. On the Linnstrument the C notes are colored in a third color to make them stand out, which is also pretty cool.

    This is what it looks like on the Linnstrument when using the perfect fourths layout (the White keys on a piano/C major scale in green, C notes in blue).

    Hey! No worries :)

    I think what you want should already be possible. Just select your Quint or Quart layout and select C major as the scale. All the white keys on a piano keyboard are now highlighted.

    Did that help?

  • @anzbert said:

    @LeftyChris said:
    Hi @anzbert

    It was so cool of you to implement the perfect fifths layout overnight like that. I wonder if I could ask you to consider another feature request: Could you add a piano keys mode under Pad Colors? Meaning, could you add a mode where the white key notes on a piano are colored white on the grid and the black key notes on a piano are colored black on the grid?

    Of course, it doesn’t actually have to be black and white - any two strongly contrasting colors could be chosen, as long as the white key notes are illuminated by a lighter color than the black key notes, in order to maintain the pattern of piano keys.

    This is another feature of the Linnstrument that I like and it’s also on the Synthstrom Deluge. On the Linnstrument the C notes are colored in a third color to make them stand out, which is also pretty cool.

    This is what it looks like on the Linnstrument when using the perfect fourths layout (the White keys on a piano/C major scale in green, C notes in blue).

    Hey! No worries :)

    I think what you want should already be possible. Just select your Quint or Quart layout and select C major as the scale. All the white keys on a piano keyboard are now highlighted.

    Did that help?

    Excellent, thanks! I had actually not tried changing scales because I assumed that it would change all the notes on the grid to the scale chosen, so I thought that if I chose the C major scale, it would mean that only the notes in C major would be available to play on the grid. I think the Launchpad works that way. Anyway, I’m glad your app works the way it does, and thanks for explaining it!

  • edited May 2023

    @LeftyChris said:

    @anzbert said:

    @LeftyChris said:
    Hi @anzbert

    It was so cool of you to implement the perfect fifths layout overnight like that. I wonder if I could ask you to consider another feature request: Could you add a piano keys mode under Pad Colors? Meaning, could you add a mode where the white key notes on a piano are colored white on the grid and the black key notes on a piano are colored black on the grid?

    Of course, it doesn’t actually have to be black and white - any two strongly contrasting colors could be chosen, as long as the white key notes are illuminated by a lighter color than the black key notes, in order to maintain the pattern of piano keys.

    This is another feature of the Linnstrument that I like and it’s also on the Synthstrom Deluge. On the Linnstrument the C notes are colored in a third color to make them stand out, which is also pretty cool.

    This is what it looks like on the Linnstrument when using the perfect fourths layout (the White keys on a piano/C major scale in green, C notes in blue).

    Hey! No worries :)

    I think what you want should already be possible. Just select your Quint or Quart layout and select C major as the scale. All the white keys on a piano keyboard are now highlighted.

    Did that help?

    Excellent, thanks! I had actually not tried changing scales because I assumed that it would change all the notes on the grid to the scale chosen, so I thought that if I chose the C major scale, it would mean that only the notes in C major would be available to play on the grid. I think the Launchpad works that way. Anyway, I’m glad your app works the way it does, and thanks for explaining it!

    Cool :) if you want to change the pads to only include scale notes, use the Scale - continuous / 3rd / 4th layouts

    Edit: maybe i should rename these modes to minimize confusion 🤔

  • @anzbert said:

    @LeftyChris said:

    @anzbert said:

    @LeftyChris said:
    Hi @anzbert

    It was so cool of you to implement the perfect fifths layout overnight like that. I wonder if I could ask you to consider another feature request: Could you add a piano keys mode under Pad Colors? Meaning, could you add a mode where the white key notes on a piano are colored white on the grid and the black key notes on a piano are colored black on the grid?

    Of course, it doesn’t actually have to be black and white - any two strongly contrasting colors could be chosen, as long as the white key notes are illuminated by a lighter color than the black key notes, in order to maintain the pattern of piano keys.

    This is another feature of the Linnstrument that I like and it’s also on the Synthstrom Deluge. On the Linnstrument the C notes are colored in a third color to make them stand out, which is also pretty cool.

    This is what it looks like on the Linnstrument when using the perfect fourths layout (the White keys on a piano/C major scale in green, C notes in blue).

    Hey! No worries :)

    I think what you want should already be possible. Just select your Quint or Quart layout and select C major as the scale. All the white keys on a piano keyboard are now highlighted.

    Did that help?

    Excellent, thanks! I had actually not tried changing scales because I assumed that it would change all the notes on the grid to the scale chosen, so I thought that if I chose the C major scale, it would mean that only the notes in C major would be available to play on the grid. I think the Launchpad works that way. Anyway, I’m glad your app works the way it does, and thanks for explaining it!

    Cool :) if you want to change the pads to only include scale notes, use the Scale - continuous / 3rd / 4th layouts

    Edit: maybe i should rename these modes to minimize confusion 🤔

    Thanks for letting me know. Yes, I would say you should probably change those names. I misunderstood what those were when I first used the app, actually - I clicked on “continuous 4ths” thinking that it was perfect fourths (ie., the quart layout), and similarly, I thought continuous 3rds would be rows rising by major or minor thirds.

  • @LeftyChris said:

    @anzbert said:

    @LeftyChris said:
    Hi @anzbert

    It was so cool of you to implement the perfect fifths layout overnight like that. I wonder if I could ask you to consider another feature request: Could you add a piano keys mode under Pad Colors? Meaning, could you add a mode where the white key notes on a piano are colored white on the grid and the black key notes on a piano are colored black on the grid?

    Of course, it doesn’t actually have to be black and white - any two strongly contrasting colors could be chosen, as long as the white key notes are illuminated by a lighter color than the black key notes, in order to maintain the pattern of piano keys.

    This is another feature of the Linnstrument that I like and it’s also on the Synthstrom Deluge. On the Linnstrument the C notes are colored in a third color to make them stand out, which is also pretty cool.

    This is what it looks like on the Linnstrument when using the perfect fourths layout (the White keys on a piano/C major scale in green, C notes in blue).

    Hey! No worries :)

    I think what you want should already be possible. Just select your Quint or Quart layout and select C major as the scale. All the white keys on a piano keyboard are now highlighted.

    Did that help?

    Excellent, thanks! I had actually not tried changing scales because I assumed that it would change all the notes on the grid to the scale chosen, so I thought that if I chose the C major scale, it would mean that only the notes in C major would be available to play on the grid. I think the Launchpad works that way. Anyway, I’m glad your app works the way it does, and thanks for explaining it!

    ok thx! another renaming job to think about. I'll probably adopt the language used in the ableton push for those modes

  • Ive got a beta up now on iOS test flight, testing a chunky code rewrite and rendering engine change. Just to see if it still works as before.

    Also toying with this name: Midi Poly Grid 😉

  • @anzbert said:
    Ive got a beta up now on iOS test flight, testing a chunky code rewrite and rendering engine change. Just to see if it still works as before.

    Also toying with this name: Midi Poly Grid 😉

    I like the name! Are you sending out codes for the test flight beta?

  • Please consider adding up in tritones, in between quart and quint? As in https://kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=594253 ,, it puts fourths on one diagonal, fifths on the other, all scales become massively symmetric repeating every two rows, and symmetric scales like diminished become the easiest thing, (so like Blue Bossa played block chords drop 2 style etc becomes almost a doddle,,, ish)

  • @LeftyChris said:

    @anzbert said:
    Ive got a beta up now on iOS test flight, testing a chunky code rewrite and rendering engine change. Just to see if it still works as before.

    Also toying with this name: Midi Poly Grid 😉

    I like the name! Are you sending out codes for the test flight beta?

    Just send me your email address in a pm and I'll put you on the list. Thx for volunteering to test !!

  • @Bruques said:
    Please consider adding up in tritones, in between quart and quint? As in https://kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=594253 ,, it puts fourths on one diagonal, fifths on the other, all scales become massively symmetric repeating every two rows, and symmetric scales like diminished become the easiest thing, (so like Blue Bossa played block chords drop 2 style etc becomes almost a doddle,,, ish)

    Sure. No problem. So that would be 6 semitones between rows, right?

  • @anzbert said:

    @LeftyChris said:

    @anzbert said:
    Ive got a beta up now on iOS test flight, testing a chunky code rewrite and rendering engine change. Just to see if it still works as before.

    Also toying with this name: Midi Poly Grid 😉

    I like the name! Are you sending out codes for the test flight beta?

    Just send me your email address in a pm and I'll put you on the list. Thx for volunteering to test !!

    Thanks, will do! By the way, I’m pretty sure that @Bruques must mean six semitones between the rows. I’ve heard of this tuning before. I haven’t tried it but it sounds very intriguing - having an octave in the same column up two rows from every note sounds very cool.

  • @anzbert said:

    @Bruques said:
    Please consider adding up in tritones, in between quart and quint? As in https://kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=594253 ,, it puts fourths on one diagonal, fifths on the other, all scales become massively symmetric repeating every two rows, and symmetric scales like diminished become the easiest thing, (so like Blue Bossa played block chords drop 2 style etc becomes almost a doddle,,, ish)

    Sure. No problem. So that would be 6 semitones between rows, right?

    yes, so F# is directly above C, and every two rows is a whole octave. cheers

  • @Bruques said:

    @anzbert said:

    @Bruques said:
    Please consider adding up in tritones, in between quart and quint? As in https://kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=594253 ,, it puts fourths on one diagonal, fifths on the other, all scales become massively symmetric repeating every two rows, and symmetric scales like diminished become the easiest thing, (so like Blue Bossa played block chords drop 2 style etc becomes almost a doddle,,, ish)

    Sure. No problem. So that would be 6 semitones between rows, right?

    yes, so F# is directly above C, and every two rows is a whole octave. cheers

    cool :) i've put it into the next testflight beta release. just send me your email addess per DM to test

  • @anzbert said:

    @Bruques said:

    @anzbert said:

    @Bruques said:
    Please consider adding up in tritones, in between quart and quint? As in https://kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=594253 ,, it puts fourths on one diagonal, fifths on the other, all scales become massively symmetric repeating every two rows, and symmetric scales like diminished become the easiest thing, (so like Blue Bossa played block chords drop 2 style etc becomes almost a doddle,,, ish)

    Sure. No problem. So that would be 6 semitones between rows, right?

    yes, so F# is directly above C, and every two rows is a whole octave. cheers

    cool :) i've put it into the next testflight beta release. just send me your email addess per DM to test

    edit: surely now the app should contain all the important intervals between rows

  • @anzbert said:

    @Bruques said:

    @anzbert said:

    @Bruques said:
    Please consider adding up in tritones, in between quart and quint? As in https://kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=594253 ,, it puts fourths on one diagonal, fifths on the other, all scales become massively symmetric repeating every two rows, and symmetric scales like diminished become the easiest thing, (so like Blue Bossa played block chords drop 2 style etc becomes almost a doddle,,, ish)

    Sure. No problem. So that would be 6 semitones between rows, right?

    yes, so F# is directly above C, and every two rows is a whole octave. cheers

    cool :) i've put it into the next testflight beta release. just send me your email addess per DM to test

    Thanks very much, I will do so!

  • edited May 2023

    Got it thanks An. I have set input size to the max, 25%, x-axis to to pitch bend up and down, yet, no matter what I set pitch bend range to, sliding my finger to the far edge of the input box always bends 24, 2 octaves, so if I set pitch bend range to 1, in practice this doesn't actually seem to change the range. Bug?

    Edit: It's an octave, not 2 octaves. No matter what I set the range to, moving from centre to far edge bends an octave. Setting to pitch bend range of 1, or 48, or anything else, it's still moving an octave in either direction.

  • @Bruques said:
    Got it thanks An. I have set input size to the max, 25%, x-axis to to pitch bend up and down, yet, no matter what I set pitch bend range to, sliding my finger to the far edge of the input box always bends 24, 2 octaves, so if I set pitch bend range to 1, in practice this doesn't actually seem to change the range. Bug?

    Edit: It's an octave, not 2 octaves. No matter what I set the range to, moving from centre to far edge bends an octave. Setting to pitch bend range of 1, or 48, or anything else, it's still moving an octave in either direction.

    Ok thx for the tip!! I'll look into it as soon as I have some time again!

  • edited May 2023

    I am going away for a couple of weeks, but afterwards I can do some coding.

    On another note though, I’ve just seen videos off the Push 3 and I am considering the MPE input method, where you can do pitch slides by moving sideways to other pads. This is the exact same request that people here in this thread have proposed on a few occasions, as they seem to enjoy it on the Linnstrument and other MPE apps (I believe it was GEOShred).

    So this is high on my priority list now. As soon as the current beta is stable.

  • wooop! 👍👍👍

  • @anzbert said:
    I am going away for a couple of weeks, but afterwards I can do some coding.

    On another note though, I’ve just seen videos off the Push 3 and I am considering the MPE input method, where you can do pitch slides by moving sideways to other pads. This is the exact same request that people here in this thread have proposed on a few occasions, as they seem to enjoy it on the Linnstrument and other MPE apps (I believe it was GEOShred).

    So this is high on my priority list now. As soon as the current beta is stable.

    Oh, that sounds nice 🙂! What I really like so far is being able to use timbre and aftertouch at the same time. Would you consider making the X-axis switchable between pitch and whatever other parameter is selectable, while you play with a button on the side? I think this would make it the first MPE controller app, that can do three dimensions at the same time.

  • @tyslothrop1 said:

    @anzbert said:
    I am going away for a couple of weeks, but afterwards I can do some coding.

    On another note though, I’ve just seen videos off the Push 3 and I am considering the MPE input method, where you can do pitch slides by moving sideways to other pads. This is the exact same request that people here in this thread have proposed on a few occasions, as they seem to enjoy it on the Linnstrument and other MPE apps (I believe it was GEOShred).

    So this is high on my priority list now. As soon as the current beta is stable.

    Oh, that sounds nice 🙂! What I really like so far is being able to use timbre and aftertouch at the same time. Would you consider making the X-axis switchable between pitch and whatever other parameter is selectable, while you play with a button on the side? I think this would make it the first MPE controller app, that can do three dimensions at the same time.

    interesting idea! i'll keep it in mind

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