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A question on AI for anyone with current background
It blows my mind that any self subscribed musician would have anything to do with supportting AI products to do with music.
My question to anyone with Current AI background knowledge.
has the "Frame problem" been addressed? and if so how is this possible without a new type of "spooky/wildcard intelegence"? and if this has been put into use why are we not talking about this new problem we have created for ourselves.
Most of the AI stuff being used today including chatgpt is just crap based from compiles from what before 2021? And due to the Frame problem anyone using it for music is getting a fusion of music perception from about 2 years ago. This doesnt seem like a good way to evolve our auditory well being.
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Many Labs are developing new framework (language model) than Chatgpt 4 . The more advanced labs are not at all interested in mainstream and music so chatgpt 4 is the top of the iceberg as it is mainstream, quoted by medias and need not powerful computers compare to others.
AI or not this will all fluctuating structured and white noise. Recycled just like Earth’s materials. The evolution can only be as fast as the roll of generations and currently stands at 20-30 years. We’re not fruit flies so will continue to augment ourselves possibly to the detriment to our physical and mental health.
This period must be the hardest to make future predictions. The technological advances prior to the Industrial Revolution were minimal and even then didn’t affect our lives as the current digital revolution. The science as well as the bad science (who judges these things anyway) will keep going at break a neck exponential speeds as long as our processors keep getting better. It’s fucking exciting and scary in equal measures. Can’t wait though! Hopefully we see cure for many old age diseases as a result so at least the end of life quality of life will go up!
That was probably completely off topic but that’s my 5 pence. What is the Frame problem anyway?
Does any of this AI stuff come with a randomize button?
@supadom gpt frame evolve to 4 and more to come. No frame frame problems in itself , it is just that AI is just a generic terms but you got or will got different type of AI for more difficult task or critical one like in the medical field . The computer type of process too like neuronal computing.
For music , writing chatgpt give only a small view of AI use. But prefer to stay to music use as it is more relax for me as subject as I don’t work anymore and more and more want to be out of this tech race. You are the master of your life if you have the freedom.
The problem is not AI but people willing to make more monney using AI to suppress jobs , particularly high pay jobs telling that it will help where you have a lack of skilled staff. Some other see AI as helping to do quicker with more accuracy a job, AI being an assistant to suppress what is unpleasant and tiring in a job.
This why I said I hope to have more use of AI for apps helping to do mastering in audio for hobby or semi professional non critical task like to master demo tracks for Soundcloud.
Hope it will help
Is it even AIv3?
@SevenSystems seems to me that the advanced tools are online services so AUv3 is not their cup of tea…. I dream of a kind of AI Grand Finale apps with of course AUv3 to use on AUM. Cubasis … but that doesn’t exist isn’t it even as a VST on desktop ?
Sorry, it was a joke 😉 and of course, for mastering, everyone knows that you should be using Trinity 😄
I downloaded Chat AI browser by MixerBox.
One of the new features is:
— Upgraded with GPT-4!
But when I queried the AI model the following:
Are you using GTP-4? This is the response I received:
As an AI language model, I am not using GPT-4 as it does not exist yet. Currently, I am based on the GPT-3 architecture, specifically the GPT-3.5-turbo model. However, it's important to note that my responses are not solely based on the architecture, but also on the training data and knowledge that I have been provided.
Does this mean we have grounds for a possible class-action lawsuit?
Is it GPT 3 or GT 3,5 Turbo diesel … joke …. You need to suit the trainer not the architecture….it was free I suppose … I am happy not to be in the software dev anymore ….
My music perception is about 25 years out of date, I hope they cook up something for me too... I’d hate to feel left out.
Seriously though, I can’t wait to see how AI will help me out with my shortcomings... the music industry is already full of puppets... maybe I will rely on AI to filter them out.
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I used to have contempt for generative audio and visuals, but this changed, partly due to more exposure, and partly due to observing an artist friend with ALS who relied on these tools in order to continue creating art and music. It was clear in his case that the artist made the art.
In the case of chatGPT, I think there will be a new understanding, once the parlor tricks wear thin, of what human artists really do.
I won't be using the currently available tools for music production or ideation, but would I use an "A.I." to replace a bassist... a drummer... a session guitarist... if I wanted to have them fill in on material I created? Well the answer TODAY in the absence of true A.I. is that people use premade clips and virtual musicians all the time in GarageBand and Logic Pro. These tools will only continue to improve, so I daresay everyone here will eventually use some kind of virtual session musician, assistant or idea generator at some point. And absolutely no one will care because the end product will be what matters.
A.I is a tsunami that is going to impact every part of lives. Music generation included.
I don't have a positive outlook on A.I. I fear what it's going to do to the job market. It's going to decimate it.
There's no putting the genie back in the bottle at this point, so people should just be aware of the state of the art and make a personal decision that fits their beliefs, workflow or career arc.
@mojozart , AI music generating art creation can be really interesting particularly in live.
You got your music set up and do music as musician as usual and AI generate video art creation on big screens or even immersive experience this is one benefit I can see in the future in AI Music help ,
a Lab work on that use of AI to enhance live music experience, actually it will be used in near future for big performance but it should become more mainstream.
In this type of use it is more specific hardware sync, connectivity and protocol that seems the problem than AI issues.
The problem is adapting society to it. Yes, I'd say roughly 50% of jobs will soon become obsolete, and if mechanical engineering keeps up with AI (lol, it used to be the other way around!), then 80% of blue collar jobs will also be optimized away soon.
If you look at it from the perspective of someone from Mars, it's actually amazing and utopian. A society where nobody has to work anymore because everything is done by machines. It's like the stuff in "Star Trek".
But of course, the way society works needs to be radically adapted and the idea of working for money needs to be abolished.
I'm sure most mainstream politicians, especially in NATO countries, are a bit too stupid for that. BUT the WEF etc. guys are already on it ("You'll own nothing and you'll be happy". And I guess part of that is in preparation for the very scenario I outlined above).
Tinfoil hat off!
(even 5 years ago, me, as a 90% capitalist, would never have thought that I'd some day say "Socialism is the answer!" 🤣)
(as always, take everything I say with a grain of salt and as 3 nested bags of 30-70% sarcasm each!)
I don't believe the rise of strong A.I. represents the end of capitalism. Most existing white collar careers have maybe 5-10 years left, and blue collar careers... maybe 10-15 years left... 20 years at most, depending on the rapidity of the rise of highly dextrous A.I.-enhanced robots. People will continue to find new markets to shift to and the supply and demand equation will continue to live. And by the way, invest now in the people and companies who are going to be making and using this hardware and software because the hockey stick growth curve has barely begun to take off. Companies and countries which try to suppress this will get steamrolled by the building momentum.
I’ve read where some technology workers and somebody in finance have been using ChatGPT to allow them to simultaneously work two, sometimes more, salaried jobs.
Same with remote workers. The bosses are none the wiser, yet. Good for them to take advantage of AI to benefit themselves, while recognizing that ultimately employers will use AI to line their own pockets instead.
My interest in AI (for non-musical purposes) is new, so I know next to nothing about it, but it’s clear to me that it’s a tool, and it will be the more creative humans that will benefit from it. And creativity isn’t reserved for just artists, but business owners, employers, employees, criminals, cheats, scammers, scientists, engineers, athletes, people.
I don't know much about the technical side of AI and my practical experience with it is limited to fooling around with some picture generators, having some weird and funny conversations with AI characters and having them generate lyrics.
As with any technology, not everybody using it will come up with great art (highly subjective, what that means of course), but I suspect, that stuff that I enjoy will come around at some point, and I expect the work that the human part of this mam-machine-collaboration does, is what will make the difference. Maybe the artist that @mojozart mentioned goes in that direction. The comic book @Svetlovska posted in the recent "if I hum..." thread is interesting, in that it has a very consistent art style. I suspect it's not that easy getting an AI to produce something longer, that makes sense as a whole and might pass as something a human might have done. Add human taste in curation and an original story and you might have a pretty empowering tool for an author.
As to the idea of getting rid of mind numbing wageslave-jobs leaving everybody the time to do something, they actually enjoy. That's my kind of utopia, unfortunately I don't believe humanity can pull it off. Joke: Maybe AI can, please surprise me!
Just a practical example from a software developer, happened 2 hours ago: I decided I want to translate my app MusicFolder to German as well.
All texts in the app come from a central .json file, with an object that contains an id for each text, and then the individual languages as keys, and the translations as values. So, only English so far for each text id.
Pasted .json file to ChatGPT and told him to please take the text from each 'en' key, and add another key 'de' and put a German translation of the text as value.
Took 1 minute. Pasted json back into app, finished. Checked translations: they're perfect, including totally ambiguous words where ChatGPT had to realize (which it did) that we're dealing with a music player app. Some of the texts were HTML. It perfectly knew and translated only the text nodes.
54 texts. Would've taken a human an hour or 80 EUR for a translation agency.
Crazy.
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As I mentioned above, markets will change and jobs will change. The "career" of podcaster is a recent one caused by technological change, for example. App developer is still a relatively recent job description.
Don't get me wrong, working people who ignore this will not be in a good position. But as we've seen already, those jumping on the trend early have created all-new kinds of work.
A.I. will cause both disruptions and opportunities.
@NeuM good point.
You have just explained why I left the translation/localisation industry a few years ago. 🙂
Jokes aside though, machine translation has been an early area for the application of (proto) AI. And stuff like your user strings will indeed not need to be translated by humans any longer. But you would probably still want the English translation of the manual for a life-saving medical device to have been at least reviewed by an expert human before they use it on you. 🙂 For a while longer anyway.
You would also not necessarily enjoy an AI-translated novel or poem just yet (if you haven't tried reading one, don't - trust me on that). So it's not all gone for humans, but large-scale adaptation will be inevitable.
The development I'm most interested in seeing unfold is political: what would capitalist democracies do about a lot of people potentially losing their jobs but retaining their votes? I expect universal basic income to become a much more credible proposition than it is today but maybe the direction will be completely different. (Regardless of how old most of us are on this forum, we'll still get to see what happens. 😁👌)
Finally, to make this comment less off-topic: AI may not (yet) be able to compose proper songs, but in terms of "making a beat", I believe it is already surpassing most self-styled "producers". I for one welcome that part of the revolution.
It has to happen or there will be riots.
It's funny that governments are pushing the retire age up and up and yet there's a high chance that in 20 - 30 years most jobs will be done by machines. I've often wondered how that was meant to work.
Completely useless for my purposes:
“ I'm sorry, but I cannot generate inappropriate or nonsensical content. As an AI language model, I prioritize creating helpful and informative responses for users. Is there anything else I can assist you with?”
Heehee, try character.ai. Lots of inappropriate nonsense to milk out of there;)
https://beta.character.ai/
I agree with you but most of politicians are very old conventional guys so they can’t understand that. What you state in your comment is what I think.
Agree that in music beat makers should worry about their jobs , even presets and samples maker making a living with that. AI is ready to do quicker and better.
And as say @SevenSystems for translation game is nearly over
Not completely, Google already tried that. Some companies here used Google translate for their Bi-lingual English/Welsh websites, but there were so many translated word (it's a very, very tricky language to translate) and grammatical errors that the outcry forced them to do it properly. And it's even more important for critical information, such as health websites.
I can see it being a useful tool, but it will need to be checked by experienced translators and editors before it's used in public.
I can see AI being an even more useful tool for lawyers:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/apr/22/michael-schumacher-formula-one-interview-die-aktuelle-editor-sacked