A question on AI for anyone with current background

Gavinski

So back to my original question - I'm really looking for the input of highly informed AI-users, specifically related to the use of professional apps designed specifically for summarising long pieces of text, chat gpt itself, Bard, Bing etc - none of them are solutions for my use case described above, at least not currently. Thnx! Talking about something with the kind of features that Quillbot has.

AudioGus

@ehehehe said:

@zedzdeadbaby said:
It blows my mind that any self subscribed musician would have anything to do with supportting AI products to do with music.

I've seen a pretty strong correlation between peoples understanding of AI and their fondness of it. It's just another tool, like everything else. It won't replace real artists anytime soon,

I guess it depends on how you define 'replace real artists' but it certainly has had disruptive effects on certain commercial industries. I saw someone recently quit games because 90% of what they enjoy doing just became automate-able and they did not want to morph their career into something else to stay in it. It is partly on them for simply having no interest in adapting but also they are not wrong. This is the end of an era in many ways.

Gavinski

@AudioGus said:

@ehehehe said:

@zedzdeadbaby said:
It blows my mind that any self subscribed musician would have anything to do with supportting AI products to do with music.

I've seen a pretty strong correlation between peoples understanding of AI and their fondness of it. It's just another tool, like everything else. It won't replace real artists anytime soon,

I guess it depends on how you define 'replace real artists' but it certainly has had disruptive effects on certain commercial industries. I saw someone recently quit games because 90% of what they enjoy doing just became automate-able and they did not want to morph their career into something else to stay in it. It is partly on them for simply having no interest in adapting but also they are not wrong. This is the end of an era in many ways.

Definitely. I'm sure many writers and musicians will find themselves in the same boat, going 'fuck this, I have no interest in collabing with an assistant, no matter how smart it is, nor do I want to start churning stuff out at speed'.

NeuM

@Gavinski said:

@NeuM said:

@Gavinski said:

@NeuM said:

@Gavinski said:
Even chat gpt has a 10k limit (roughly 2000 words, not enough for my use cases

I forget... are you located in China? Is that why you can't access Bard? If you're in China, you can access it by using a VPN.

If anyone is in the UK or the EU, it's available there.

I am in China, but no, vpns don’t work, it still comes up with the not available in your region thing. Same reason I can’t get frigging youtube premium, no matter what location I set my vpn to. VPNs aren’t a cure all, unfortunately.

Have you considered leaving China? I assume you went there to teach English or something... I went there decades ago for business-related reasons, but cannot imagine living there now with the social credit score thing happening there. Their system crushes dissent and anyone who dares to question their government. That's not the profile of a government which will be around much longer.

I am leaving China shortly. Very shortly. Anyway, there's plenty I'd like to say about the US crushing dissent internationally, never mind within its own borders, but let's skip the politics

You may (or may not) be surprised to hear this, but I agree with you on that. A ”leader” who legally harasses or imprisons their popular opposition will not last.

NeuM

Someone just posted this link, which could be what you’re looking for.

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/56981/now-anyone-can-train-own-ai-models-do-we-make-use-of-it#latest

AudioGus

@Gavinski said:

@AudioGus said:

@ehehehe said:

@zedzdeadbaby said:
It blows my mind that any self subscribed musician would have anything to do with supportting AI products to do with music.

I've seen a pretty strong correlation between peoples understanding of AI and their fondness of it. It's just another tool, like everything else. It won't replace real artists anytime soon,

I guess it depends on how you define 'replace real artists' but it certainly has had disruptive effects on certain commercial industries. I saw someone recently quit games because 90% of what they enjoy doing just became automate-able and they did not want to morph their career into something else to stay in it. It is partly on them for simply having no interest in adapting but also they are not wrong. This is the end of an era in many ways.

Definitely. I'm sure many writers and musicians will find themselves in the same boat, going 'fuck this, I have no interest in collabing with an assistant, no matter how smart it is, nor do I want to start churning stuff out at speed'.

Heh, most of the concept artists I know feel bested and humiliated by these new 'assistants'. It is quite the blow to the ego for many. I grew up sampling and collaging music since the 80s so that is in my DNA creatively for visuals too but a lot of people came up in a later wave of digital art that embraced the foundation skills and traditional art, dismissing digital shortcuts as cheating (and being oddly selective about what digital tools they do use). Totally valid in terms of developing a strong skillset but an absolutist allegiance to that ethic always proved somewhat impractical as far as long term contentment and flexibility. They would end up slotting themselves very narrowly in the process. I imagine composers who only ever wanted to just deliver sheet music and had no interest in arrangement or production being eventually phased out. As a community within games that bubble existed and grew for about twenty years but is now popping. For me music technology development has been a pretty good metaphor for what is going on in the new ML assisted concept art and graphics world; the period of the early 80s to early 2000s in music where large operations were once needed, boiling down to the individual able to take on entire film scores.

All that being said, I am likely in a temporal bubble too that will pop one day. This is all fucking terrifying on some levels.

NeuM

My mantra for this modern era: “Anything that CAN be digitized, WILL be digitized.”

Gavinski

@AudioGus said:

@Gavinski said:

@AudioGus said:

@ehehehe said:

@zedzdeadbaby said:
It blows my mind that any self subscribed musician would have anything to do with supportting AI products to do with music.

I've seen a pretty strong correlation between peoples understanding of AI and their fondness of it. It's just another tool, like everything else. It won't replace real artists anytime soon,

I guess it depends on how you define 'replace real artists' but it certainly has had disruptive effects on certain commercial industries. I saw someone recently quit games because 90% of what they enjoy doing just became automate-able and they did not want to morph their career into something else to stay in it. It is partly on them for simply having no interest in adapting but also they are not wrong. This is the end of an era in many ways.

Definitely. I'm sure many writers and musicians will find themselves in the same boat, going 'fuck this, I have no interest in collabing with an assistant, no matter how smart it is, nor do I want to start churning stuff out at speed'.

Heh, most of the concept artists I know feel bested and humiliated by these new 'assistants'. It is quite the blow to the ego for many. I grew up sampling and collaging music since the 80s so that is in my DNA creatively for visuals too but a lot of people came up in a later wave of digital art that embraced the foundation skills and traditional art, dismissing digital shortcuts as cheating (and being oddly selective about what digital tools they do use). Totally valid in terms of developing a strong skillset but an absolutist allegiance to that ethic always proved somewhat impractical as far as long term contentment and flexibility. They would end up slotting themselves very narrowly in the process. I imagine composers who only ever wanted to just deliver sheet music and had no interest in arrangement or production being eventually phased out. As a community within games that bubble existed and grew for about twenty years but is now popping. For me music technology development has been a pretty good metaphor for what is going on in the new ML assisted concept art and graphics world; the period of the early 80s to early 2000s in music where large operations were once needed, boiling down to the individual able to take on entire film scores.

All that being said, I am likely in a temporal bubble too that will pop one day. This is all fucking terrifying on some levels.

Interesting comment! And yes, although I wrote 'assistant' I did also think about who is really the assistant and who's wearing the trousers. It's complicated for sure!