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@monz0id Google translate is a crap , DeepL iOS apps do a far far better job (I don’t know if it a AI apps ).
@SevenSystems what AI apps or online service dis you used for your translation ?
Google translate was heralded as the second-coming when it arrived, still is by some.
My point is, there are nuances with some languages, as well as regional variations, that an automated tool might not get.
I guess we'll see, maybe most people will stop caring, and attention to detail a thing of the past. Not here though, they're very, very particular about their language.
You're almost correct imho. 🙂
First, the newer and newer generations of machine translation tools use increasingly better models so that translations into and from traditionally difficult languages like Welsh, Basque, Albanian etc. can be produced in ever better quality. The progress is scary fast by the way.
Second, where human review is needed (and it's a continuously decreasing breadth of area) there it ideally calls for a brand new skillset - that of the "machine translation post-editor". Being a good translator or even human translation reviewer gives you an advantage over everyday folks there, but it doesn't guarantee you can review machine translation efficiently. It is gradually becoming a different profession.
I'm not a translator (I just pay them to do it!) so I'm just guessing how it'll play out to be honest, but I do know there are regional variations and nuances that (so far) automated tools have been unable to translate.
At least that's what my translators tell me!
To be honest if it does work out, it'll save a hell of a lot of money here. Until AI replaces me, too.
Regarding using AI in creative process, I still can't get rid of my feeling uneasy about it. Are we fooling ourselves in thinking this will help? I agree that old art influences new one. But new art is not just a new combination of old fragments, is it? I'm still convinced that deep down the current AIs are just clever statistic/random algorithms. Huge data obviously, but art is not just algorithm, or is it? If not, and if something cannot be transcribed into codes, then aren't these algos just produce the same kind of art once everyone moves in on using AI, just expanding the data library with new combination of old fragments?
I hope I'm wrong though because I really love all kinds of automatic processes!
I’ve tried Midjourney and the AI output is astonishing. Every bit as good as what a human can do.
I’ve heard at least one Chinese game studio is letting go all their creatives because the can use these tools instead.
The other thing to consider is that it doesn’t matter how incredibly intelligent current AI is, it will only get smarter. They talk about super intelligence. It’s conceivable that in a 5 to 10 years there maybe general AI that is smarter then us by an order of magnitude. If that AI was ever given agency then we’re all in big trouble.
For all it's uses, AI doesn't think, it generates. So when it's finished rehashing and scraping all the current content it's feeding on, will it then start eating it's own output, creating an eternal poo-loop of regurgitated, steadily mutating yesterday's news?
And outside of the internet bubble and into the real world - what would you rather look at on your wall - an Athena-style digital print of some mashed up art, or an actual painting, created by some crazy geezer with a beard?
When you go out to watch a concert, would you rather stand in front of a stage, empty apart from a single device pumping out 'new' random, synthetic muzak, or your favourite live band of geezers, also with beards, leaping around and whipping up the audience to a level of total ecstasy?
I'm with the guys with beards.
For music creation , I do it just as a hobby and I dont work anymore.
however I think that for those in this forum that make a living with music it is important to how to carryon to make a living in the 5 to 10 years coming and think to have another source of income as music income will drop more because AI ( and other factors).
Even Dev need to think about their future.
It is not positive to be already what is positive thinking is to follow AI and put scenarios and alternative if you are a pro to carton to make a future.
@ervin you are right that you need to focus how you work will change and will create for you a new job in your domain.
@monz0id
1) music is created as a selfish Léa sure not to make monney as I do and sometimes shared with other creative dude like in this forum to improve it and have comment , AI is not a problem in this case. Our hobby will be still using apps, daw and hardware the old fashion.
2) for the guy who produce music , if they want to make monney they target to an audience that ear it with cheap headphones on a mobile phone mainly or for ambient that are dinking in a bar or restaurant, they don’t heard really it must be the pleasant according to their mood, sound quality or music deep thought is not their problems and if AI produce it , they will not notice the difference like you dude. They ear is not trained for that.
When it come to to EDM, House , Disco on the dance floor they want to dance and it’s the same they are not with pro headphones and Hifi top quality gear to analyse your music. If AI music is good to dance it will be ok.
AI will be a shock for the ego of many producers if some AI music is at the top of the chart. For the big names the luxury will be to work high school , and they make monney in concert live where people want a big show with very good musicians on stage.
Yes, I know that machine translation has already improved dramatically due to AI advances in the past years. But what astounded me, apart from the flawless and natural translations, were the "little things":
It's this "general intelligence" thing that is impressive. AI isn't only able to do one specific task mechanically, but a whole "meta-task" which would normally involve lots of overhead.
Yes, that's what I was basically hinting at with my tongue in cheek socialism comment. I think UBI is unavoidable at this point. I just hope that this huge and complex transition is handled by evil smart conspirers in the background and not our comically incompetent politicians 😂
Just GPT-4 via the usual ChatGPT web interface (I'm subscribed to Plus so I can use the newest model (GPT-4)
@SevenSystems you are a dev and I was a dev and we think the same things and notice the same little things about AI. And we are not the only ones. That make all this posts goods.
My English posts and comment will be better if I was using a AI translation as I made typing errors
So you can imagine why so many people would like to freeze new release up to chat GPT4.
Of the small bits you listed, the practically perfect context sensitivity is the one that eluded the profession for the longest time. One of the last trump cards of human translators, if you will. So it's really impressive. It's become safe to say no young person today should choose applied translation as a lifetime profession. 🙂
And as things look today, the fate of UBI in the UK will be decided by the half a dozen or so rich, white non-dom guys who own the tabloid newspapers (as it still won't be back in the EU), so no need to worry about your political class. There's your silver lining 🤷
It is. But the more talented the artist, the smaller the fragments and thus the less recognizable the fact that it's a combination of old fragments 😉
There's no randomness in neural networks, they're fully deterministic. Also, they're not "algorithms" in the traditional sense, nor are they "programs" (as in, a human sat down and wrote a bunch of code with if/then rules). The only code that humans wrote is the code that runs the neural network, which is actually quite simple. The intelligence is inside hundreds of billions of numbers (the weights or "synapses" if you will). WHY intelligence and creativity arises from those numbers? Nobody knows! (I hope that doesn't make you even more nervous 😂)
It isn't, no. But neither is a neural network!
It’s really easy to confuse art, and artwork, especially in commercial creative fields; mass produced videogames don’t need much more than current state of the art graphics in order to succeed, but that’s not where real creativity lies. Someone said earlier, or in another thread, the word ‘ideation’, and that’s where it’s at, and will be heading more and more as this stuff develops.
Finally, the ‘ideas’ guy/gal has their time…
tbh I’m up for it, lots of great projects fall by the wayside for lack of technical skills and without human input these things would eventually fade to gray, but with our sparks and errors being constantly reimported to the datasets, things should continue to evolve.
No worries, I'm running all your posts through GPT first to make them easier to read 😂😉
Was this burn suggested by GPT as well? Decent effort. 🙂
Well I had GPT crack quite a few good jokes alright🥳
"Two AIs walk into a bar..."
Agency won’t be given. It will be taken.
Is the Frame Problem really a problem? I think it depends on the framing – if you frame the Frame problem as a problem when the winning and dominant and loudest attention network is calling itself the conscious one, then yes, it’s a problem only solvable by observation over time, memory, and the rest is history
If we frame the Frame problem as nonexistent when dreaming, then it’s not a problem
Any near-future emergent Superhuman AI will also I predict need to be structured to be able to dream, and it’s entirely plausible that one of the affordances of our own dreams is to disengage causality and temporal occlusion of how things appear and in which state they are across the dream
And yes, I would totally love a SAI drummer, I hate anything to do with drumming, but my songs, being pop songs, need drumming in, I literally don’t care how this comes about, just as long as I don’t have to be involved
I'm reluctant to believe a human could've come up with something better (in a matter of 500 milliseconds)
(I've done a quick research -- the joke is clearly original. There's no "I'll have a byte" joke to be found on Google)
@monz0id said: (quoting Alan Moore) : “Art is, like magic, the science of manipulating symbols, words or images, to achieve changes in consciousness….”
I agree with Mr Moore. Which is why AI is already so dangerous.
We have, in effect, invented real magic spells - the prompts that generate pleasing results from Midjourney et al. But the specific chain of words fine tuned to produce an effect in MidJourney can just as easily use Chat GPT and it’s vocal and video mimicking kin to generate the fake news to incite a genocide in the real world. If magic means using special words to wreak real change in the physical world… we are already there.
Trouble is, not that we are now sorcerers, but that we are the sorcerers apprentice. Able to wield great power, but ignorant of how to control it. And we all know how that old story turned out.
And we won’t even realise.
Absolutely, which is why I’m dead against it.
In the wrong hands it stops being a lazy mans answer for creativity, and something much, much more sinister.
Pros and cons, pros and cons. Someone wasn’t thinking when they let this one out of the bag.
Actually the result in Chat GPT 4 is all about as a human how to tell him what to create in simple words. If you are unable to know what you want and how to explain , sometimes you can can also have a very bad results from chat GPT 4 .
So it also about your skill to explain clearly. English should d be a better direct language to use AI than my mother tongue (French) or philosophical German words. I think it is an interesting point for AI research and use.
Well, but this is no different to communication with humans. If you can't explain things clearly, you won't get good results. Trust me, I work with clients! 😉
For me, given my racket in games I knew I needed to incorporate this stuff to survive long term and started back in 2021 with Nightcafe (before it was gans like Ganbreeder/Artbreeder (not AI), then moved on to Disco Diffusion then Midjourney and now Stable Diffusion, using Dreambooth for training.
The founders of these things I have chatted with are somewhat naive utopian idealists. They believe they are moving us towards Star Trek and the holodeck etc.