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Here is a little reminder for those who feel very confident in their opinion that the subscription plan is the better model for everyone:
But don’t you understand that is an impossible question to ask? First off, we are already(!) sliding towards that situation, and it’s worsening. Printing more money to solve problems that started by printing more money is a horror movie becoming reality. Why do you think banks are harvesting large amounts of gold behind our backs? They know what’s coming. It’s a reality too dark to bare. When? Forget about the mainstream media, they are there to keep you calm, dumb and ignorant. The situation is much worse than most people realize. You will have to look further to stay well informed.
But lets not go into that, this is a place to talk hobby and have fun. I just brought it up that in my opinion I doubt that anything subscription based is a wise idea in the current and upcoming time. I didn’t wanted to start a complicated discussion about these things, that was not my intention.
Why this subscription talk over and over all the time?
Apple doesn’t care if a small amount of users are against sub - they are aiming for new users that wants M2 iPad Pros with plenty storage, not poor guys like all dislikers…
Remember, Apple is the world’s wealthiest company, so, they don’t need your peanut money.
For all that can’t stand subs, go for Garageband. Easy choise…
GarageBand is a great app for free certainly the best free iOS Daw with great samples and sounds. Don’t underestimate GB talented now famous musicians had a start and make what was their first famous song on GB
Please leave me alone. I don’t like your anger and aggression.
Look when I can’t afford $5 a month (14 cents a day) because I gotta eat….trust ill shall be selling the iPad all together so I can feed my family. I won’t be keeping it so I can fall back and doodle on “paid for” Cubasis while they starve. 😂😂😂
Unhappy people are always the most vocal. When people are satisfied they tend to have nothing to say.
I am satisfied by the subscription model. I also have nothing to add to this conversation until Logic Pro is released to the masses.
Remember those who say “the subscription model is terrible.” They will be the first to have critiques during the trial period. After the trial expires, they will face a decision of subbing to Logic Pro or go back to their old work flow. Some will stay a sub and eat crow because “they never had it so good.” Others will slowly crawl back to Cubasis, AEM, ZenBeats, etc… with nothing more to say.
Apple has no plans to revert back to the old pricing model, ala Adobe Premiere.
I think the subscription model is only suitable when a monthly subscription goes directly towards the purchase of content e.g. A magazine subscription buys that months magazine or a Netflix subscription buys that months data. A developer sells you software that should work and be bug free - if they have done all possible testing in every possible situation there should be no need for future updates (obviously bugs are found because it’s impossible to test everything but historically with software, these fixes are to bring the product to its expected functionality so should be free). Why if someone buys something should they be forced to buy updated features that they may not want/need through a continuous monthly fee? You should be able to buy a product as is for a set figure and know what you’re getting and not be subject to secret development roadmaps as is likely to be the case with logic.
David
As said before by a member « Apple has no plans to revert back to the old pricing model« and if Logic is top Daw and my actual IPad can run it without to buy an other IPad I will subscribe that all for such great price.
As we don’t know more I wait to decide after a free trial that simple no much word to say.
I can Suscribe and enjoy Logic Pro ios and also use Cubasis 3 and AUM it is not a philosophical problem , 1 big daw Logic a smaller quick daw and AUM and you got all what you need , 4 or 5 good synth, some good FX apps and it is enough to be happy and making all I want to do.
Maybe in few years we can all enjoy free and bug free software made by AI
You’ll just ask your computer to do something for you and it’ll do it eventually. You won’t have to worry about how it was done.
“Don’t tell me about the delivery, just show me the baby!”
In every conceivable category, software has been steadily shifting to a subscription model – Pro Tools, Photoshop, Office 365, Salesforce, QuickBooks, and a zillion more. And Apple's "services" business, which is heavily subscription based, is thriving, now accounting for more than $20 billion in quarterly revenue.
It seems inevitable, then, that all Apple software and content will be offered as subscription-only, including the Mac versions of Logic and FCP, though hopefully those will be bundled with the iPad versions for the same $4.99/$49.00 price.
If one accepts that, like it or not, subscriptions are here to stay, then the decision about whether or not to subscribe to Logic becomes a straight value calculation, irrespective of the payment model: Will I get enough benefit from this application to justify its cost? The free trial should enable most everyone to make the best choice, either way.
I don't agree "all Apple software and content will be offered as subscription-only". A large part of the value of Apple's products is getting something which is ready to go for the customer on day one. Subscription services will be there for the "extras" you don't get from the entry-level model. And you'll never have to subscribe to any service, you'll want to subscribe because the value will be there if you're looking for it.
I’m voting with my wallet and not buying it.
I 100% agree with you. If a dev charges for major version updates with new features that’s absolutely fine with me and it’s my choice wether I want to buy into it. But if there is a monthly subscription plan I’m forced to pay for the software no matter where it’s going or how much/little improvement is happening.
Again the problem for me is not the 5€/month. That indeed is very little. The problem is the endless payment without having a choice. And as soon as I can’t pay / there is a problem with the payment or whatever is causing an interruption of the payment I will lose access to the software.
@NeuM said:
Thanks for responding. Apple already gives us a lot of software and basic cloud storage for free, like GarageBand and iMovie. I didn't mean that they'd begin charging for those so if that's what you're referring to, I'm sorry I wasn't more clear. I just don't see them continuing to sell software for a one-time price.
…you can’t buy it…
We shall see. One thing they'll have to be mindful of is a customer base which might rapidly discover "subscription fatigue". We're not quite there yet.
If you can’t pay yet another five bucks for a month, you have bigger problem than Apples subscription business…
Maybe you can help me out a bit…
FWIW, Logic Pro on the Mac has never suffered from a lack of updates or enhancements, which have included countless new features. They've always been a very active development team, before and since being acquired by Apple.
If you're inclined, scroll to the very bottom to see release notes dating back 10 years.
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203718
If you read what say professional musician and sound engineer about this new Logic sub model : they doesn’t care as they say they bought in all their life hight prices softwares that doesn’t work anymore for years so what is the pint to own something that you don’t can use anymore .
The most silly things sub or no sub model is to never back up what you do.
You can stop a subscription ok you cannot use LP but you don’t loose what you have created on LP that the point.
Correct. And that's the same with all Adobe software now. Rentware, but you keep all the files you create.
I think I’ll cancel my MGM subscription on Prime and subscribe to Logic - after I’ve finished watching Texas Chainsaw 2 and Killer Klowns from Outer Space.
I like to play in GarageBand for iPad a lot. No upfront for Logic Pro for iPad = I will probably pay subscription (maybe with some breaks), because there will no other option. However there is still option to buy Logic Pro for Mac without subscription. Please advice:
I recently bought my first ever Mac (M1 macbook). I used trial of Logic Pro and I don't know what to do now. I'm afraid that from version of LogicPro 11.0.0 or from 23 of May Apple start sell Logic Pro for Mac as a subscription only. In this case If I don't buy Logic Pro now as lifetime I will may regret it. On the other hand, if it turns out that the $5 subscription is for both (iPad and Mac), then I'd rather prefer to choose the subscription.
EDIT: I found the answer here. So buy 10.x.x at the end of the development of version 10.x.x and stay on the old version, or wait for 11.0.0 but with the risk that it will only be a subscription only.
I hope Apple will add a lifetime license where you pay the 200 or less/more and you have peace and quiet. I don’t think it’s a big deal and it’s probably also lucrative. The subscription model stays of course.
Subscribers gonna subscribe, and buyers gonna buy.
Isn’t Logic Pro on desktop 249 dollars just now, so, that’s five year’s subscription for the iPad version…
Consensum - five years from now, have you/we still interest in iPad music making, or, do we still be alive, or, your/our iPad is broken and you/we doesn’t have 2000 bucks for a new iPad Pro M6 with 14,1” screen…
Subscription, non problem for me, I love my iPad and love Logic Pro on my Mac, so, let’s move into the future…
In either case you get Logic Pro from the App Store, so correct, the license cannot be transferred. By the way, I don't think there was upgrade pricing for Logic 9 -> Logic X. But I think that's when Logic went from $1000US for the "Studio" version to the current, much lower pricing.
It is a fair question, what Apple will do for folks that purchased Logic Pro 10.x right before 11 comes out, presumably with a subscription. Maybe they'll offer a refund or a subscription credit. I wouldn't count on it though.
So Apple still kept Logic/Final Cut for iPad subscription only. Seems very silly to me since they potentially miss out on 2/3rds of all mobile musicians. Is it just stubbornness or clever tactics? I don’t think creatives and subscriptions will ever go together.
Where are you getting this "2/3rds of all mobile musicians" from? Only Apple knows how many people are signing up.