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not sure Adobe would concur with that last statement
Looking at this poll (page 1), the other “will you subscribe” poll and other music forums. A vast majority is against subscription. Assuming that people stick to their word it’s a big crowd that Apple is missing. Apple might know how many people subscribe but not haw many don’t.
Yeah Adobe the master example. My guess is that mostly profit making companies subscribe to Adobe. The typical creative that I’m talking about is not making big cash so probably rather going for affordable alternatives like Affinity/Pixelmator etc.
Ah whatever.. sorry this conversation is nonsensical 😄
I’m pretty sure that is a minority of music making on the different forum around the world - people have other things to do than fighting on forums…. 😂😂😂
Regarding subscriptions, if the pricetag of LP4i was 15 or 20 bucks a month, it could be a problem for many users, but, 5 buck a month/50 bucks a year, nothing to complain about…
The real money drain here is the hardware, and the hardware getting old and “worthless” - a descent iPad Pro 12.9” M1/M2 cost $2000 and will loose value every month exceeding far beyond the cost for software…
And that’s exactly the reason why Apple shouldn’t charge monthly for logic and final cut. They should charge a relatively cheap one time sum or even give it out for free to encourage people to buy better hardware.
Apple give it out free??
That wouldn’t be nice to the competitors out there, like Cubasis, Zenbeats, MTS etc etc…
Better they tag it 200 dollars, problem solved, or?
Yeah let it be $200 problem solved. I’m sure people won’t abandon the other daws they came to like. Logic might rather be a nice addition.
I hate to rain on this ideal world free app and no subscription scenario. The powers that be in the world have stated (if you have been paying attention) by 2030 YOU WILL OWN NOTHING…. From here out the subscription models will only be rooting out further into everyday life until your very own underwear are rented as well. It’s foolish to think anything else. The WEF is the shot caller and that is their plan for us all. So far, every world leader appears to be in their pocket…well, except for the ones we are supposed to hate. So it looks to me as if..we will soon own nothing.
Okay there’s that and now this:
So In other words, Logic Pro on iPad will remain a subscription…if you need something free… garageband is pretty great for a free app. Rent Logic Pro to finalize an lp from garageband, then unsub until the next time you need it…or use cubasis, or zenbeats (also a sub really, and higher). You have choices and are not yet forced into subscriptions for everything.
Do nanostudio2 users unwittingly cannibalize their own platform?
The developer has often stated he does not make enough money in the current scenario..I’ve read it myself.
I personally feel like Nanostudio would be better if the developer could eat from it…he needs to make nanostudio 4.99 a month and add audio tracks…then according to a large number of fellow forum members he would have the superior product…as of now it lacks and it isn’t the bread and butter of the dev’s real life…so that’s what we get?! Would you pay 4.99 a month for nanostudio? Maybe if people helped the man pay his bills he would be motivated to go full time? Don’t know, but would think this would raise the chances? Imagine you paid a kid 200 bucks to mow your lawn forever, the kid just got ripped off and everybody here knows it. What if your job gave you 50k to work for them forever…and that’s 50k. Would you do it? Well of course not. Why? Because you have to show up, you have to fix things, you have to do work… does it make sense financially in any context? Nope. Especially for an independent developer…who for the most part made a highly regarded platform for iOS according to his very own fan base. So all of you need to go to the nanostudio forum and one by one actually really support the guy you want to “work for you forever for free, or for change on the hour” he isn’t a big corporation like apple and can’t write off or create loss leaders to kill competitors because he makes billions a year.
A conclusion of sorts:
Some people in here are paying a sub for a melodyne knock off that is nowhere near the power of melodyne on desktop…but NOT having to defend their decision for doing so. Nobody is bashing the faux melodyne on a logic bashing level…with a subscription plan that is just as costly as Logic Pro which is a whole Daw…and yet Logic Pro gets all the heat? In what bizarre world does this exist? I’m just trying to validate these ideas by making similar comparisons.
Look, I don’t like it either, but it is what it is…and this is what it really is.
If you don’t like the tools don’t buy or rent them it’s your right
If you paid for something and it doesn’t do what you thought… then complain it’s your right
I may agree with you, I may disagree with you…it’s NEVER personal unless you make it so.
Everybody here has an opinion or workflow to enforce…
I’ll read it, I may apply it or give it a shot
But let’s first discuss what logic on iPad won’t be…and that is 200.00
Our underwear on subscription? Think of the possibility for IAPs.
Hold on for a moment!
First, you complain that in the year 2030 you "own nothing”, but, why not complain about the hardware instead?
A $2000 iPad is pretty unusable in seven years from now, and divide 2000 bucks within seven years and you have had an monthly fee like 24 dollar, for seven years and almost nothing left as used 2030…
Second, Nanostudio v2, it will ever never happened that Matt adds audio track and then goes subscription…
Logic Pro for iPad isn’t just the core DAW, NS2 have to compete with Logics superb stock plugins and instruments, the free amount of loops and other audiofile…
For the developers of NS2, Matt, it’s better to fix another job as an coder/developer - if you can make an app like NS2 you probably can get any job you wants in the IT sector…
In Ass Purchases?
.> @michael_m said:
You’ll have to ask the WEF. They’re the ones who are desperate to rent us our underpants.
In the end, my question is whether they will raise the rates over time. It becomes like $20 a month in a few years or something.
Sure. The cynic in me says that someone at Apple has a spreadsheet where they're trying to figure out how many subscribers they gain/lose for a given price change, and they will charge whatever will produce the largest net income. Maybe that means keeping it at $5 and maximizing subscriber count, or maybe that means increasing the price even if it means losing some subscribers. Maybe it will mean increasing the savings you get with an annual subscription, like keeping it $50 a year but going to $7 a month, who knows. But we shouldn't fool ourselves; they'll extract as much $$ as they can.
I should add as an encouraging point, Logic Pro for Mac costs less today that it has ever cost, in both adjusted and actual dollars, and they've totally given up on the notion of IAPs and paid add-ons for LP and GarageBand. So if I had to make a bet today, I'd bet they'll keep the cost low.
inherently people like to own things although buddha gave it all up, subscription is here but it will never completely take over unless we become braindead zombies.
anti subscription and anti desktop prices?
(what would you have done if you could buy it outright, but it was 199$ like the desktop version)
No I own Logic on desktop. It’s quite a bit deeper than Logic on iPad though.
But yes I’m absolutely anti subscription. There’s no worse feeling than being in an endless loop of loosing money. No matter how much/little it is per month.
no cell phone or tv?
Nope no rent, no insurance, no internet, no tax payment, no car, no family, no friends, no food :P
honestly, if/when apple releases a new logic on desktop, i wouldnt be colored surprised if it went subscription too.
Well I am one of those creatives that I described earlier. Little money but my work is more or less enjoyable and flexible. So yeah I do try and avoid any unnecessary extra cost.
That’s when I’ll try and get familiar with Reaper. Or maybe stick to the last no subscription Logic.
Subscription or not isn’t an issue for me, per se. The fact is that no other iPad DAW has been able to give me what Logic has at any price. And it is enough of a priority for me to pay what they’re currently asking.
(The downside for them is that I’ll be constantly reëvaluating that equation and may end up canceling before they’ve made as much from me as they would have from a one-time purchase.)
I would have gladly signed up for a subscription for Nanostudio 2 if doing so had gotten us audio tracks. (Assuming the price wasn’t too outrageous.)
The poll might suggest they’re missing 2/3rd, but they may have only been aiming at 1/3rd in the first place. The fact that they haven’t discontinued GarageBand—and that GB is as good as it is—suggests to me they’re intentionally targeting a subset. With so much competition, including GarageBand, that so many people are perfectly happy with, balancing the feature set and pricing model is a complex equation.
And Apple has long been a “marginshare” instead of marketshare company. A business philosophy shared by my own company that I credit for the good living I’ve been making for the last 15 years.
But these things are always an experiment. A negotiation between producers and consumers in the marketplace. It’ll be interesting to see where it goes.