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Might do a fiver to test it out for the month. I just have so many other apps that can do this. Tonality, LK, Progressions, a couple of the Bud apps, and of course Scaler2. Does the new one offer anything unique? I like the look of the interface. Anyone tried it yet?
Hard to see where the differences are…
Agreed. I can see maybe 1 new feature/UI upgrade but I'm not seeing much difference from the photos.
Surprised there are no explicit lists on the website or the appstore of a) the difference between version 1 and version 2 b) the difference between the free and paid versions of each. Edit: there is a list of the differences between the free and paid versions, within the app itself, see next post
Actually there is at least a list of the difference between the free and paid version 2 when you click on the key icon in the app:
I am also trying to find out what the differences between v1 and v2 are (besides the new UI). Number of scales seem to be the same (which is a big disappointment for me). V2 has perhaps two more "chords progressions" (which I do not care for tbh). V2 adds some chords suggestions: tertiary dominant and secondary superdominant. V2 also adds the option of visualizing guitar chords (I think you had to buy a separate app to do that in v1). Not sure if any of the exporting options are any different to previous versions (for instance, it would be cool to export a text file with the guitar chord diagrams, but something tells me that is not the case). The only big difference I see is the possibility of adding your own scale. I am not sure if this immediately creates all possible chord suggestions for you (I have to believe it does, but I cannot access this option without paying for the app), which would be cool. Not sure if this warrants the price of the app though. I wanted to buy it, the dev is very responsive and I do find the app to be great to organize chords in a fast and intuitive way, but so far I am not convinced about the price for what it has to offer (compared to v1). The possibility of building your own scale could convince me though (if it is doing a good job at suggesting the whole set of chords, as with the default scales). Perhaps the dev did not want to bother adding new scales and left that for us to do?
There’s actually built in IAPs for those who purchased Suggester One to get a discount as well.
Bit of a disaster for the dev that the iap list that was available prior to release only had the subscription option with a listed price and everything else was marked null. What a pr disaster. This left people perhaps more badly disposed than they should have been. The one-off purchase price and upgrade price seem fairly reasonable for those who think the new features are worth it, so it's really a pity that the full iap price list was not available until now. Again, it's also a pity that the dev did not simply release a full v1 vs v2 feature list. You want ppl to purchase basically the same app twice, then you better make sure people know what they're buying. Letting them find out by trying the app only to constantly get cockblocked by a 'not available in free version' warning hardly seems likely to win hearts and minds
The subscription seems overpriced as a recurring monthly cost so I can only suppose its purpose is to give people the chance to try a month of the paid version before they decide to buy. Would really have been better to give people a free trial option, even if only for a day, I reckon.
Surprised also that the app store let the pre-release through with the iap price list full of 'null's.
Yea a little odd. I’m guessing the nulls were some sort of place holder. But not too longer ago Scaler was 6.99 or 7.99 then it went up a couple times. Yea it would have been nice to have a much lower monthly, or free trial, since $5 a month is $60 a year, but only $20 to lifetime unlock iOS only.
Yeah, I think the original list also stated the price in euros as 6.99? For some reason that list is not showing for me on the first page of this chat now, must be just slow loading, and for some reason the appstore does not show iap prices when u check with android phone, which is what I'm on now. But think I remember that 6 euro 99 was the price, which is even more than 5 bucks a month
I have a lot of the scaler apps, like Suggester, Tonality, Tonaly, Scaler 2, Progressions, ChordMaps2, etc.
And my conclusion is (no rocket science...) that every random order of notes is some kind of scale. And a lot of scales are not that useful anyway. I do think it is fun to poke around in these apps to find the next chord in a sequence that resolves, or gives more tension. In the end I stick to more "conventional" scales and not the exotic ones.
I probably learned the most from Hooktheory 2, chapter Secondary chords, like the V chord of the V chord, for the application of chords outside a scale that fits.
It would be nice if there comes a price for owners of Suggester 1 to update to v2, with a discount. I don't see this yet.
@raabje
In my case I was hoping that the melodic minor modes would be considered (e.g. dorian b2, lydian augmented, etc). I would not call these scales "exotic" (at least compared to some eastern scales) and are fairly common in jazz.
Owners of Suggester 1 do get a discount, you pay 15USD instead of 20USD. But as others have pointed out previously, it is hard to tell what the differences are between v1 and v2 that justifies upgrading.
I did take a look in Tonality and there are a lot more scales available, than in Suggester 2 (still locked, but the list is short). For me stuff like Napolian Minor #4, Altered Altered, Ukrainian Dorian b2, is exotic. The common jazz scales are indeed not that exotic.
In my Suggester 2 app (Netherlands regio) there is only IOS key (23 euro), Universal key (50 euro) and subscription (7 euro) available.
That is strange, this is what I see in the US store
And I do own Suggester v1, and there is no app store update that I have missed. Not that it matters, I will not buy for 18 euro.
As I've been making all my music on my computer since 2016, and have been lured back to iOS music and this forum by the release of Logic for iPad, my immediate reaction is that I don't think I will be recording any new music on my iPad.
But I have already found it to be superior for songwriting. Getting ideas for chord progressions I would never come up with myself on the guitar or piano. Throwing together a basic arrangement for verse, chorus, middle. A lot of desktop chord apps like Chordjam are clunky compared to what you can find on the iPad. For the good stuff on iOS, I include the ones mentioned above, but also Navichord (the most intuitive and visual method to create three note inversions), Kord, Chord Polypad, Chordbot, Chords Gen, and even the Session Band apps. (It's great to have Scaler in iOS as a way for me to practice and learn, but I still find it easier to use on my desktop)
So this is my new workflow. Start with songwriting on iOS and then move to my desktop for a finish.
Logic got me going, but I will probably cancel my subscription to Logic.
Yes, I agree with all of that, definitely. I figured out for myself, if I stick to the most common chord sequences, like this overview, this is the stuff that works, I don't need to poke around to find chords that could fit. So that makes these apps a bit redundant.
https://www.hooktheory.com/theorytab/common-chord-progressions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chord_progressions
Of course when you go adventurous you don't want to use these progressions. And writing something yourself from scratch is more rewarding.
Any videos… $14.99 upgrade…
Kinda feel a bit bad for the dev tbh. Suggester 1 is a really nice app and has a great interface. This one seems to have a great interface and workflow as well. As much as I love Scaler, it can do so much that it can be overwhelming to just build a simple chord progression quickly.
For that reason I’d love the app, but considering I do have Scaler, Tonality, Progressions, etc it’s hard to convince myself to do it. It does load as an AU with the free version albeit very limited. I wish there was some kind of trail. Especially for the price of the app.
I may or may not do one month to give it a try but a one week trial would be way better compared to spending the full unlock or $6 for the month
Maybe mail the dev and make that suggestion (no pun intended) - you'd probably be helping him out by doing so.
Good call. I’ll do that now.
Just my take on Suggester2
As a longtime user of Suggester1, I was a bit disappointed with the improvements over Sug1.
I also had a problem with the view in general, as everything was bigger with no option to change that (like in Sug1)
I sent a mail to the dev and immediately got an answer, informing me the view was linked to the text settings from your iPad, so after changing the text in the IPad to small it changed the view in Suggester also. (I did ask to consider the view options like in Sug1, and he’s quite receptive to this suggestion)
There is of course the guitar mode that’s new, which could be very useful to some.
What is quite different though is the implementation of the alternative chord voicings and alternative bass notes.
It was already in Sug1 but now is much easier to see and hear, you get all on one page on the right next to song mode and you can immediately sample them comparing them with the original chord, same with the bass, makes my workflow for a quick chord progression much easier.
Another small thing I like is the option to send the bass to a different midi channel.
Also there a few arpeggios, but the good thing is they can be set different for each chord, just wish the dev would expand on the arpeggio possibilities. (will probably mail him about that also)
I did get a crash in song mode, but only if I used the small play button next to a section.
@mingxiu
have you explored the "custom" scale mode? Do you get all the chords suggestions (e.g. triads, sevenths, secondary dominants, tritone substitutions, etc) you get as when using the "standard" scales?
Sorry, completely missed your question.
Don’t really use the custom scale, but just had a look and seems yes, I see the same options as in standard scales.
Thanks for the detailed info.
Thanks! That is an important improvement IMO.
We got into the iOS ecosystem because it was affordable compared to desktop.
Look at apps like Koala , spacecraft , amazing apps for an extremely compelling price.
I bet they sell them every day.
If iOS keeps mission creeping its prices, and insists on Subscriptions,The ios music production eco system will die.
We will just go back to MacBooks.
It’s starting…..
Has the IAP ever gone on sale?