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I think I might also be getting confused between instruments/patches - say you are in alchemy and you want to change to a different alchemy sound (as you would in GB), if you select the wrong option, you lose your current selection of Midi/Audio fx e.g. Arp, but if you just change the sound in alchemy, it doesn't . I need to double check this. One day I'll start composing again
Nothing missing is enough to stop Logic being the most complete audio app on ipad.
You might not be able to do everything you can (or more to the point the way you would do it) on Mac but it’s still already a powerhouse at v1.0 that makes it more than possible to do everything needed to make a complete song on an iPad.
In terms of what’s missing, for most people I’d guess the lack of third party plugins is what’s going to hold them back. Things like orchestral libraries which are going to be a hard to justify in an iPad where a library like Appassionata strings (which is pretty much ‘just’ legato ensembles) weighs in at over 60GB.
But what’s left is a really cool touch screen version of a fully fledged DAW.
I’m very much looking forward to starting songs with the iPad again. As much as I like AUM and messing with different ways if making music, I still like the linear arrange window best. And as Logic is my DAW of choice on the Mac, it’s a perfect fit for me.
Suddenly all the restrictions I felt using the likes of Nanostudio 2 have gone.
And I can’t say how much I’m at home having the info/parameter panel. Using the region parameters is so entrenched with how I use Logic I’ve never felt comfortable with DAWs that can’t do something similar.
So yeah. It’s missing the odd feature compared to the Mac. But compared to what I had before on iPad (BM3, NS2, Auria Pro, Cubasis) it’s a huge leap forward. Huge.
I can see myself using LiveLoops a hell of a lot more now. It’s much more fun with touch (and I’m rarely in a position to use the iPad as Logic Remote for my Mac).
It’s going to make my overspending on auv3s over the years worthwhile too!
Being able to start a track on the iPad and be able to just open it (with some parts obviously bounced) on the Mac is going to be transformative for iPad music for me. For the last year or so I’ve hardly touched it for music.
Can’t reorder effects?. See
Great description of your Logic Pro feelings and happiness…
I agree of everything - LP4i is a huge leap forward on this platform (iPad) and hopefully bring more AUv3 from the biggest companies, like Korg, NI, Auturia, U-he, IKM etc etc…
Like @Samu I used the feedback link to make a feedback to Apple this is the only way to have better experience.
I suggested kindly to Apple to add templates for the first upgrades as many users including me that are lost in hidden menus can’t produce nothing ready to release.
Templates can use these users that are the vast majority here only some few like Samu are expert. All the other will unsubscribe I’d they are lost easy to unsubscribe and never comeback.
This what I send and explain in my feedback why templates are a first step to make people use it. Midi and audio templates , some with buses ready for good mixing using stock plugin.
I dugges5 also to test logic IPad with people that are only average ios daw users to I prove it as better AUX experience. I heard as it was a secret it was tested only by the music dev team not normal peo0le, Influencers are not normal people.
Influencers like @Gavinski need really to tell the true that it is really difficult to create with all hidden menus and the lack of templates is a key point.
You need really to send your feedback to Apple about missing features but also how it is difficult to use it to make something with it. More people will do that more it will help.
The 'menus' are not really 'hidden', they are more like 'context sensitive' and only appear when an object is tapped
The UI would be super bloated if all options were always shown on the screen all the time.
After roughly one week in I don't find Logic for iPad to be 'difficult to use' just a bit different compared to the others and it's perfectly fine!
One area I'm not fully 'friends' with yet is the audio into the loop grid, the rest is piece-of-cake
(I will learn, that is what 30 day evaluation is for).
Maybe @Gavinski finds Logic for iPad fun and easy to use and doesn't need 'templates' (just save a project do a copy when you start a new project, template problem solved like seriously).
He has no obligation what so ever to do 'rant videos' on behalf of others.
@BerlinFx Why do you make videos about missing templates and all the other stuff that you feel is missing or wrong in Logic for iPad?!
And NO I will not be a 'Living User Manual' for every single question and topic that pops up here, RTFM!
Peace Out! (I'm seriously considering ignore all Logic threads in this forum....).
You are the expert and if it was a so great aux experience you will not have so many questions, I are not willing to ask questions as it is a fail if I need to ask questions ever 5 minutes.
I suggest that templates will help people like me who want to do music that all and you don’t want that Apple add template to user that need it ? Strange I don’t want to read your hack I never use hack as using hacks mean a failure in a software dev.
I don’t need a living user manual , even if the 1000 pages manual is not so useful as too big. I prefer that you wil” be quiet to learn and do music even If I never heard your music and you didn’t reply to me if you have a link to enjoy your music , please give me a link.
If Logic is not for non expert user ok, I am in the crowd that are happy with other daw and at least Apple should add minimums a master track , some improvement to Garage Band ios for the idiot like me I am ok to pay for it.
I know I am not so intelligent to use a daw like Logic iOS.
I will not subscribe for a year I will unsubscribe first during one month before the trial , wait reading the forum and if they bring templates and are willing to make it on for idiots like me I will sub only monthly. After all other Daw can do a lot to make good music. And I will not be push to buy a new powerful iPad.
@Samu are you willing to post everyday new videos tutorials on Logic iOS as I have done as I need someone to replace me and this thread is useful for people learning .
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/55721/a-thread-to-put-all-tutorials-texts-and-videos-links-about-logic-ios#latest
I see no real need to do that so, so please do continue
I can’t lie with myself as I decide to stop to use Logic you are better to share than I am , it take only few minutes every day and it will help to avoid to reply too many questions as some videos reply to many questions.
I respect t à lot you knowledge this why I ask you if you want post videos you find useful.
I stop today to put new content and it is not mine it is an open thread for everyone selecting useful videos and posting them in a same place.
Another missing features in Logic Pro for iPad is Scale Quantize...
This is perhaps a very niche features for pro users with composing knowledge...
I need that... Hoping it is hidden somewhere... Pretty nice..
Edit.. Seems to be there...
You can do scale quantize in the inspector...
...but I've not found a way to identify chords yet.
WTF ??
This is a thing with LP4i, you miss a feature, and suddenly IT’S THERE already!!
Thanks, will certainly check this out when I’m back home…
Haha this is amazing!
And I agree with Samu! I’ve never owned Logic on Mac but have messed with it a bit at my buddies place and I’m getting along just fine with the iPad version. It’s quite literally the most powerful DAW we have on iPad and will only grow and get better with time.
Is it really Apples fault that people can’t RTFM?!
This is most likely the reason Apple gave us all a free month to play around and get aquatinted with it. The tutorials are imo a must if you are completely lost and work well with the manual along side of them.
What’s the point of trying anything new if you aren’t willing to learn?
It is no secret that people approach learning in different ways, and that no matter how good a manual is there will always be a certain amount (The majority, I'm guessing) who are not going to read a 1000 page manual, from start to finish. Many will choose to use it as a reference, and only when they get stuck. And therein lies the rub. Any decent manual is going to plot a course through the topics that will start from simple foundations and keep building. So in the case of complex programs such as this, jumping in at page 82 as indicated by the index may not really solve the issue.
Any developer knows that the manual will be wasted on many (Good that they stopped sending out two huge printed manuals after Logic 9), so it's down to them to make the software as intuitive as possible. Maybe they have. I can't judge, as it's hard to remove all my years of experience with the desktop version from my LogiOS learning experience(s).
The other side of this, though, is that a huge part of what these forums are about is helping and being helped by others. And I get @Samu 's frustration with some of the more basic of questions (I'm sure i've even asked some lame-un's). But at the risk of creating another enemy around here (Seemingly, these days I'm having difficulty communicating what i'm trying to convey), I'd say that if it's becoming a burden, then perhaps do as 'you' say...and avoid certain threads, or at least stop answering questions. No point feeling obligated and just ending up resenting doing it.
Anyway...Speaking for myself. i did start off on a good 'foot' with the manual. I think it's actually well done, and certainly not as dry as it could be. And much of the later chapters can be skipped, if the FX and Instruments are easy enough to work out. Also perhaps worth skipping the synthesis section, for those uninterested.
Anyway...
I do agree that many if not most will not read the whole manual, hell I haven’t even but when I get stuck I do go back to it or hop on here and have a look around.
I wasn’t trying to be condescending or anything like that at all. I guess I’m just saying this app is huge and I’m sure all of us will be finding new things or ways to do certain things for quite a while. There is room for improvement on both sides I believe and I have faith that it’ll all get sorted out in time. It’s been two weeks about since the app launched and we all all just barely breaking the surface.
I do want to apologize if I came off the wrong way, this forum has been a huge help for me personally and I think is a big motivator for music on the iPad and even elsewhere honestly.
If you haven't read the friendly manual, it's easy to assume that it's complete, just because it's long. It is not complete. I am grateful to @Samu for sharing what he has learned, but nagging him to make videos is bad form.
No worries, I'll just take a chill-pill...
...what drives me bonkers is that many of the questions have already been answered a few pages back
What all these threads have shown is that 'Assumption is the mother of all f'kups', heck even I'm guilty of some of those assumptions...
After almost 10 days of Logic for iPad I'm starting to have a good grip on it...
...Desktop Logic took me about 2-3 months to master in comparison...
Many of the things many of us thought were missing are actually there already, maybe not super easy to discover but still there.
I mean seriously it took me a while to figure out how to change the color of AUX tracks and it turned out that in order to do that I first have to show the AUX track as a 'track' in the arranger as it was not enough to select it in the mixer which I consider to be a bug in the 'Inspector' as it's only effective on Tracks in the 'Arranger' and not all tracks including tracks in the mixer...
(The inspector in Desktop Logic is effective on all tracks where ever they are).
But yeah, I'll keep track on the threads but only focus on the really tricky issues.
Cheers!
Thanks!
I'll keep an eye on the threads here but will be focusing on the more 'tricky' how-to issues with Logic Pro for iPad...
...there's plenty of them too!
In short most things can be done, maybe not exactly like in other apps but more 'The Logic Way'
I'm quite certain things will improve over time and I will be keeping Logic for iPad on a yearly sub-plan as main main DAW.
With that said I'll still keep an eye on the competition and use the tools I feel are right for the stuff I need to do...
Cheers!
I didn't get that from your message, at all.
Again...I don't think you came off in any negative way, at all.
Like you, I've had so much help from this place. It's been nice, knowing at least some amount about Logic, to be able to finally offer some help.
S'all good! Really
The problem with the manual about LP4i is just that the search function in the app Books is really bad - the search results sucks…
Have to put that PDF in somewhere else…
Thanks for taking my comment in the spirit-intended. And like I said, I can get how it would be frustrating.
It's funny to hear you talk of mastering Logic desktop in a few months. Whether you're speaking literally or not, my own situation pales in comparison. Been using it since 2005 and still feel like a beginner. Been trying to turn that around, though.
Need to take some time off the internet, so perhaps I'll take a real stab at the manual (Desktop, at least).
Thanks for all the hep you and others provide around here
Am I the only one who has no need for templates?
I feel like there’s not enough similarity between any of my projects that a template would be any faster than starting from scratch. Make me wonder what I should be doing that I don’t know about yet.
Not necessarily. If I’m just going in and jamming without an idea of where I’m going to end then I personally wouldn’t bother with a template. But at the same time, if when I am just doodling I use a lot of the same instruments, such as Swam, me recording guitar and bass and perhaps pianoteq along with some more used effects than I would like to just open a template with everything ready to go and just get to creating. Maybe I won’t use everything and might even add more but I wouldn’t be wasting time flipping through loads of instruments and auv3’s and such. Also having say a mastering or mixing template could be a huge timesaver as well.
It’s all in how you create and what you’re comfortable with. Whatever gets you creating the quickest imo.
I don't use templates for projects.
I’m the same. I enjoy building a track from nothing building the different layers.
I never use templates. I’ve used Logic for decades.
The only reason I’d want to use a template would be for orchestral music. It makes a lot of sense to have all your instruments ready when they’re always the same. And if you’re composing for film you’re not going to be using an iPad.
But for my electronic nonsense? Nah. Better to start from scratch each time.
If I did want a template it’s just as easy to duplicate a project and then delete all the regions.
Although this has been mentioned earlier in this thread, but, Scripter FX in Logic Pro for iPad is really awesome FX!
I have had Logic on Mac since 2013, but, never have discovered this (when does MIDI FX come to Logic?).
If you don’t understand what Scripter FX can do in Logic on your iPad, look at this great video (everything can be done on iPad)…