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Now for me, I never used apeMatrix even though it looks interesting. I think I purchased it but could never figure it out, lol. But, I sure do love AUM for my Ambient jams. (That reminds me, I need to get Fugue Machine and Ioniarics onto my Mini 6 once I finish this reply.). If AUM suddenly stopped working, I'd be a very sad guy.
Logic Pro on iPad is absolutely heckin amazing (for me) for production of Lofi and EDM as well as for mastering for SoundCloud and Bandcamp, but sometimes a person just needs to jam out while laying back in bed and relaxing. AUM fulfills that need quite succinctly.
Although...now the wheels in my head are spinning. 🤔💭 What if...I can create Musique Concrete in Logic Pro?!? 🤯 The experimental likes of Schaeffer and Stockhausen?! Not Ambient, but just...strange noises and sound experiments, using the DAW as an instrument rather than as a production environment? Breaking away from looped music! DUDE! You ever heard "Gesang der Jünglinge" before?! I bet that can also be done in Cubasis 3 and Audio Evolution Mobile I'd imagine.
Or maybe they can decide for themselves.
Or maybe they already have.
Every time I return to it rocks more. Clearly not for everyone but I’m super grateful for this product that’s going keep me challenged and learning for months. Hoping for continued success for all the other DAWs as well
Every day is a discovery trip in Logic for iPad - it’s getter better and better when all “hidden” features appears…
Yesterday was a big surprise when I discovered Scripter MIDI FX -supergreat!
I will go for the annual payment of Logic - worth every penny…
For my part, I made my purchase decision regarding Logic Pro the day after release. I couldn't test it on day one as it happened to be the 1-year anniversary of my Mother's death. Emotionally, it would have felt wrong to be spending time demoing an App on that particular day.
When I did get to spend some quality time with LP4iP it was an instant hit. I think I had an advantage in that I got to read numerous detailed reviews from people I trust before even installing LP4iP, never mind exploring it directly. And that managed my expectations from the outset. My only real disappointment, was that Notation was missing. Knowing that LP4iP was £5 per month, I wondered if I could save £3.49 a month on my Dorico for iPad subscription. However, Steinberg launched Dorico 5 on the day I started testing LP4iP, so even if notation were included with Logic, I would have kept my Dorico subscription going, as it's a major upgrade on previous iPad versions. The most important aspect for me, was the inclusion of all the playback options from the desktop version of Dorico, relating to defining subtle changes to the dynamics and timing of your composition, without having to rely on micro-edits in the piano-roll.
Anyway, that was Dorico.
I'm unusual in the Audiobus community, in that I tend to use my Apple devices as sound modules. And when mobile, I'll generally turn to AUM/ApeMatrix as hosts for creative exploration. I've purchased all the main DAWs on the platform over the years, ModStep, Gadget 1/2, Aura Pro, Cubasis 1/2/3, MultiTrack DAW, NanoStudio 1/2, BeatMaker 1/2/3 and I few DAW-like apps such as Loopy Pro too. It's not just that I like to keep up with what's happening in the iOS/iPadOS universe. Most of those Apps were so low-priced that even if my total use of each was e.g. 40 hours, I'd still be getting reasonable value for money.
Outside of music, I'm a design strategist specialising in interactive platforms, and on that basis, I get great value out of my investment in mobile DAWs as I get to see how a variety of talented, creative developers approached the challenges of creating compelling DAWs on a platform which has significant downsides compared to desktop OS's. However, in the world of UX, it's often the constraints of a project that elicits the most creative solutions.
And on that last point, I applaud the development team behind Logic Pro for iPad. They were starting from nothing. Most of their user base purchased Logic so many years ago they couldn't even rely on _**their **_loyalty. But wow, did they come up with compelling UX solutions, to deliver close to the total Logic Pro desktop functional spec, on a device that plainly wasn't designed for a creaking old Emagic UX design. Apple spent most of those intervening years twiddling their proverbial thumbs, not quite knowing what to do with the old girl, other than flattening the interface (and of course, using Logic as a platform to promote Dolby Atmos to creator's).
Going back to my habit of using my iDevices as sound modules. I have tried to finish projects through to final master on iPadOS/iOS on many occasions, but I was never truly happy with the results. And these days, most of what I do musically is writing, programming, and producing for other artists, so I'm extra fussy about my output. I will be reviving my Leftside Wobble output, now that caring for my bed-bound blind Mother (with dementia) is no longer my primary concern, but this is taking a little longer than I'd originally planned, as the past 12 months have been something of an emotional rollercoaster. And with a horrendous display of naked self-promotion of my own, have a look at https://www.facebook.com/Leftside.Wobble if you want to keep up with such musical output.
Anyway onwards...
I've surprised myself by how quickly I'm acclimatising to LP4iP. It reminds me how long a journey I had to take before being even reasonably happy with any of the other DAWs I listed above (ModStep and Gadget aside, which made complete sense to me from day one).
I love the Audiobus community. Even when I take long breaks from being an active participant. Most of the time I'm still reading or at least scanning for information relevant to my interests, I'm simply not posting. Logic Pro on iPadOS drew me out of such wallflower behaviour and back into active participation.
Those extended periods of only reading Audiobus has made something clear to me. That's that the Audiobus foum is an unrepresentative echo chamber of the wider music creation on iDevice user community. I don't mean that negatively, it simply is what it is. As a creative strategist, I have to read a huge amount, and all that knowledge would fall out of my rear end if it weren't for a rigorous habit of note-taking. Back in the day, it was all dumped into DevonThink (one of OS X's killer-apps), but 20 years down the line the whole second brain movement has really taken off, and now I use Obsidian (mainly because it's a truly cross-platform Electron application). This habit has the advantage that I can spot shifting attitudes, not only of my own but also of opinion-formers across multiple domains. Without such tools, you're doomed to cognitive biases that are hard to self-identify.
It's interesting to me, that with close to 200 votes, the current result stands at 35.79% Yes, 41.58%No, and 22.63% - Haven't decided yet. My surprise isn't that the No's are besting the Yes's, it's that so many have made a snap decision in such a short space of time, when they have a calendar month to make up their mind. This is especially surprising with an application as deep and complex as Logic Pro, which takes many months of dedicated use to make sense of, even on its primary OS.
All DAWs have their own design patterns, which makes it difficult to change loyalty between DAWs, and these differences in DAW design patterns are specifically designed to strengthen artist loyalty. One forgets how long it takes to become fluid users of any complex content creation application, and that makes it difficult to judge new applications, as we all end up with entrenched habits. If the vote remains this way, a month down the line, it will be at the polar opposite to the majority view across the rest of the social media world (inclusive of mainstream publications, as well as blogs, vlogs and suchlike).
I had expected the majority to deicide against Logic, which you'll see if you read between the lines of my initial post regarding Logic, the day after its release. Ultimately, I don't think the opinions of the Audiobus community will matter one jot to the success of LP4iP. But to misrepresent song lyrics of the mighty John Lennon - just give Logic Pro a chance, before making up your mind. And this statement is coming from an entrenched Ableton Live user whose opening sentence uttered the words, "I made my purchase decision regarding Logic Pro the day after release".
A well-thought-through and insightful post as usual Jon! 👋👋👋
Agreed, @jonmoore so much potential here, that's it's worth not ignoring.
Also, side note, big Notion user, got it before using Obsidian, but it's made such a difference in my own learning and note keeping processes as you mentioned with Obsidian. Can't imagine functioning without it.
Mixing theories.
Say you set levels less than 0db.
Is there a case where you would then use faders ( as faders ) but cant go passed levels set.
A user,set max.
Thanks Gavin. I've never been one for a few words when an essay can stand in their stead.
But seriously, I made the mistake of being too emotive and "in the moment" with my social media activity in the past. And on that basis, I now tend to post less, and even then, only after mulling over the things I want to say. It's far too easy to offend others with forum posts when no offence was intended.
@auxmux Notion is a great application too. When it comes to note-taking, (clichés aside), it truly is about building up good habits, and not the tools you choose to carry out those habits.
In the first few hours with Logic I felt intimidated and thought it was a good decision to choose the monthly sub instead of the yearly one to minimize the financial loss.
But after the first painful hours/days with Logic I started becoming more and more familiar with the basics, the UI and the workflow.
I can say now I love it! I’ll definitely stay subbed.
However I’ll keep using Cubasis and Zenbeats as well. These 3 daws (Logic, Cubasis, Zenbeats) inspire me in a different way and I need this different inspiration.
I'm impressed by the built-in instruments, effects, and the various transformations you can do in the editors. But I wish Apple had made it easier to move audio and MIDI between apps. The assumption seems to be that you will do everything, from here on, in Logic.
For me it was a no brainer, but for everyone else who will skip on ‘Logic iOS’, they will lose nothing. Because you can subscribe whenever you want without any repercussions. You can even open, play or export projects if you are out of the subscription period.
Good suggestion for Obsidian, certainly will check it out, especially if it’s markup language friendly. Clogged Notes to the point of no return, a long time ago.
@jonmoore, Thank you for such a good read, please write more.
I’m so sorry for your loss.
I’m currently in the same ballpark as these distinguished fellow members. I have and love Logic Mac so I was looking forward to the iPad version. I don’t even care about full parity. But the most important conclusion of the trial (so far) has been that the Mac version is just better for me - both in itself and especially with the desktop-only plugins I use it with. The other interesting consequence for me is the discovery of all those great Logic features I already had but did not use on the desktop. 😳
I don’t really want to spend time with a 1000-page manual other than as occasional reference. As for the missing stuff, I disagree with the “it’s such a great 1.0 version and they will put in so much more at some point in the future” argument. It may well be a correct prediction - but I prefer paying for something that exists now, not for something I hope will exist in the future. Especially when I’m forced on a subscription model. My current thinking is I definitely won’t do an annual sub and will probably pop in and out of the monthly, more often being out than in. I’ll continue to use Logic on the desktop and the mountain of great existing stuff I already have (and own) on the iPad.
I prefer using Logic Pro on my iPad vs desktop. The playable touch controllers + being able to pick up and work on a song in between meetings or on the couch + touch controls for parameters. I find myself using a ton more automation now.
We have to give Apple some time with the missing features in Logic Pro for iPad - it surely be many updates down the road…
For now we just have to use the export wave/Aiff that’s in the Logic iPad version, and, export MIDI, we just use the workaround that involves a MIDI recorder in the MIDI FX slot…
That’s not a bad idea. One iPad for everything and another for only the necessities. Quit making me wanna spend money! 🤣
I’ve been doing some experimentation like that the last couple days and it definitely seems possible. But it also made he want to upgrade to the 12.9” model sooner rather than later because all the short little random bursts of noise made the list of audio tracks grow pretty large 😂
After sitting with it for a couple weeks I think I’ve decided a definitive yes. That being said, it probably won’t be where I spend the majority of my time (that’s AUM) but I can see it being the first DAW I reach for when I want that workflow. It can just do so much and do it pretty well.
But I can’t bring myself to delete Zenbeats or C3 as sometimes I may want that workflow. Or purely to use for a change of scenery. All the other “groovebox DAWs” like BM3, Vatanator Pro, Drambo are staying as well just for the fun factor.
Overall, for me, LPx isn’t a huge game changer. It’s not gonna drastically change my workflow. It’s just another tool in the tool belt. Albeit a very good and powerful one. If a couple months pass and I find I’m not using it at all or I’m using it in a way that I could also use another DAW, then I might delete.
Mate, if you ever need a friend to talk to, I'm a private message away. My mum passed away in 4 Nov 2018. It's been over 4 and a half years, and it still sometimes gets to me on some days. Dad passed away 29 Dec 2019. If there's one silver lining, it was they passed away before the pandemic struck, and at least I could be by their sides when they drew their last breaths. So I understand 💯.
LOL! Well, the cheaper iPad Mini 6 (or even regular current gen iPad with max space) for just the necessities is an investment that will help you stop spending money on apps in the long run.
Ha! 😆 Well that's fair. But yeah, I have the 12.9" M1 here, and it's great for finishing larger projects. But honestly you can load up 4 audio tracks in Logic Pro and pretend it's a 4-track magnetic tape. I used to have a 4-track cassette recorder I'd love to putz with, although I didn't know and still don't know how to use a razor to edit tape. 🤣
Exactly mate! Logic Pro is great for polishing and mastering for streaming platforms.
BM3 isn't my jam, I never tried Vatanator Pro (have I purchased it in the past?), but deleting Drambo would be a big mistake. A wonderful creative environment. I need to get back into Drambo to be honest.
Exactly, and after a couple months you'd have only spent $5-$10 subscription rather than spending $200 and later regretting it if Logic Pro isn't for you. Easy peasy.
Logic is very nice as a trad daw, many good features.
But in terms of modern thinking, ease of use, creativity, speed. Drambo eats it without salt. And just about everything else. It is unique
Imo
I’m enormously thankful to the developers of the other traditional DAW:s on Apple mobile platform, that has struggle for many many years before Apple released their own DAW, Logic Pro for iPad…
What I wants to say here is that it will be 100% Logic on iPad for me from now on…
The others are also great, but I feel at home in Logic, and, the quality of all plugins is amazing, both instruments and MIDI/Audio FX plugins…
The discovery of Scripter MIDI FX plugin two days ago was a really big surprise - the ability to write your own MIDI FX plugin in Javascript seems fun!
Apple are actually breaking their own standard with this. The docs are clear: AUParameterAutomationEventTypeTouch and Release are optional and always have been. And all other hosts deal with it.
By making it pseudo-mandatory all of a sudden they are putting the burden on developers like me who get to deal with all the support emails about "broken plugins".
It is a bit of a dick move by them. I'm also conceptually opposed to the concept of Touch and Release, which is too limiting for a platform that has tons of sensors and other ways to generate automation.
Forgotten to mention that Drambo, dear Drambo, will still stand in my life - Drambo is not a replacement of traditional DAW:s although it’s an incredible app with great depth…
And you can use it as a Multi-Out AUv3 in LogicPro for iPad which makes incorporating your Drambo stuff super fun
Totally buying it. I will use it mostly for arranging audio from elsewhere. I find other instruments much faster and freer for actually making noises.
I have a Digitone, which I can record straight in. I also much prefer the Drambo sequencer over the Quick Sequencer in Logic, which is anything but quick. Way too many taps, unfolding sub-rows, etc. It’s good for creating a quick beat, and way better than any of Ableton’s sequencers.
For samples, Koala in Drambo.
The best thing about logic for me so far is that I have a serious destination on the iPad, and editing audio tracks is fantastic. I’m sure that over time I will use more tools and FX, but I’ve come to realize I don’t create well in a DAW environment. Even in Live. I always find the UI gets in the way.
But right now, Logic is pretty much the best tape recorder ever made, running on an iPad mini!
Think I'll pass for now. Got enough things to make music with as an amateur music maker and I don't have time to read a thousand page manual! Besides, I like working with a minimal amount of gear and buying apps as and when something interests me or I need something specific. I don't need audio, I don't need any fancy technical stuff, happy with my iPad 9, minilab 3, a set of cans, a few apps like NS2 and CB3, and some cider!
Obsidian's beating heart is Markdown, and you can use most Markdown extensions too. But you can also stick to Markdown as specified by John Gruber and Aaron Schwartz almost 20 years ago if that's your jam.
The great thing about Obsidian is that you can bespoke the experience in virtually infinite ways. The developer community adds so much real value to the experience. It can be overwhelming at first, but take your time, as Obsidian is already super powerful in its vanilla form.
I still use DevonThink too, as it has smart search capabilities. It's particularly good with PDFs (and most eBook formats). The one essential thing with DevonThink is to add to your collection as alias's. That way it can index your existing Obsidian data (most of which is of course in plain text) without doubling the storage footprint. Plus, you only have to add your Obsidian data structure once to DevonThink and everything is updated without you needing to think about it.
And did I mention, it's FREE! You can choose to subscribe to their sync service, or make direct donations from time to time. But syncing works equally well via Dropbox (better in fact than iCloud, if you have Win10/11 installations of Obsidian as well as macOS). I always suggest using it gratis for a while to see if it clicks, and only then subscribe/donate what you can afford and feel is apt for the value you get.
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Thanks for the kind offer. I've found that occasionally mentioning her death in public, has been a good way to process my emotions, but it's good to know there's someone else in the AB community that has gone through a similar situation, and understands the emotional impact. 💙
Exactly how I feel.