Are you subscribing to Logic Pro?

RajahP

@ErrkaPetti said:

@ErrkaPetti said:

@HotStrange said:
After sitting with it for a couple weeks I think I’ve decided a definitive yes. That being said, it probably won’t be where I spend the majority of my time (that’s AUM) but I can see it being the first DAW I reach for when I want that workflow. It can just do so much and do it pretty well.

But I can’t bring myself to delete Zenbeats or C3 as sometimes I may want that workflow. Or purely to use for a change of scenery. All the other “groovebox DAWs” like BM3, Vatanator Pro, Drambo are staying as well just for the fun factor.

Overall, for me, LPx isn’t a huge game changer. It’s not gonna drastically change my workflow. It’s just another tool in the tool belt. Albeit a very good and powerful one. If a couple months pass and I find I’m not using it at all or I’m using it in a way that I could also use another DAW, then I might delete.

I’m enormously thankful to the developers of the other traditional DAW:s on Apple mobile platform, that has struggle for many many years before Apple released their own DAW, Logic Pro for iPad…

What I wants to say here is that it will be 100% Logic on iPad for me from now on…

The others are also great, but I feel at home in Logic, and, the quality of all plugins is amazing, both instruments and MIDI/Audio FX plugins…

The discovery of Scripter MIDI FX plugin two days ago was a really big surprise - the ability to write your own MIDI FX plugin in Javascript seems fun!

Forgotten to mention that Drambo, dear Drambo, will still stand in my life - Drambo is not a replacement of traditional DAW:s although it’s an incredible app with great depth…

And Drambo can play in Logic Pro for iPad.. One can only imagine what the next Drambo brings…

Haven’t had a chance to run Drambo in Logic yet..

SuperNiCd

@ErrkaPetti said:
Forgotten to mention that Drambo, dear Drambo, will still stand in my life - Drambo is not a replacement of traditional DAW:s although it’s an incredible app with great depth…

Totally with you. There was never a question for me if Logic would replace Drambo. Only how well they played together.

I actually kind of hope that Apple will expose the instruments and effects inside of Logic as AUs so that i can use them in Drambo and do Drambo-ey kinds of things with them. I sincerely doubt that will happen though but hey I can dream…

AudioGus

@brambos said:

@AudioGus said:
If Apple had enforced AUParameterAutomationEventTypeTouch and Release events required by their own Audio Unit specification and not approved AU plugins without it then I would sub.

But because they did not enforce this I can't automate the vast majority of AUs via their GUI, so not interested in Logic.

Apple are actually breaking their own standard with this. The docs are clear: AUParameterAutomationEventTypeTouch and Release are optional and always have been. And all other hosts deal with it.

By making it pseudo-mandatory all of a sudden they are putting the burden on developers like me who get to deal with all the support emails about "broken plugins".

It is a bit of a dick move by them. I'm also conceptually opposed to the concept of Touch and Release, which is too limiting for a platform that has tons of sensors and other ways to generate automation.

Interesting! Well I don't know what to believe now as...

@giku_beepstreet said:
AUv3 automation recording doesn't work in many cases, because most AUv3s don't send AUParameterAutomationEventTypeTouch and Release events required by Audio Unit specification.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/audiotoolbox/auparameterautomationeventtype?language=objc

So if you have a problem with your fav AUv3, inform developer please.

I'm glad Logic is the first DAW that requires this, it makes parameters recording much easier and robust.

(From my side: Zeeon works fine, Sunrizer will be updated soon)

brambos

@AudioGus said:

@brambos said:

@AudioGus said:
If Apple had enforced AUParameterAutomationEventTypeTouch and Release events required by their own Audio Unit specification and not approved AU plugins without it then I would sub.

But because they did not enforce this I can't automate the vast majority of AUs via their GUI, so not interested in Logic.

Apple are actually breaking their own standard with this. The docs are clear: AUParameterAutomationEventTypeTouch and Release are optional and always have been. And all other hosts deal with it.

By making it pseudo-mandatory all of a sudden they are putting the burden on developers like me who get to deal with all the support emails about "broken plugins".

It is a bit of a dick move by them. I'm also conceptually opposed to the concept of Touch and Release, which is too limiting for a platform that has tons of sensors and other ways to generate automation.

Interesting! Well I don't know what to believe now as...

@giku_beepstreet said:
AUv3 automation recording doesn't work in many cases, because most AUv3s don't send AUParameterAutomationEventTypeTouch and Release events required by Audio Unit specification.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/audiotoolbox/auparameterautomationeventtype?language=objc

So if you have a problem with your fav AUv3, inform developer please.

I'm glad Logic is the first DAW that requires this, it makes parameters recording much easier and robust.

(From my side: Zeeon works fine, Sunrizer will be updated soon)

Yes, that's the annoying thing. People immediately think the host is correct and the plugins need fixing. That's why I'm getting the irritating "please fix your plugin" mails.

Since this is a feature that makes the life of hosts easier, I'm not surprised Giku likes it. He's looking at it from a plugin hosting perspective.

However, this is and always has been a purely optional definition in the AUv3 standard, and the regular (non-touch/release) setValue method is perfectly valid - and is used by most plugins and hosts*.

It's pure laziness on the part of Logic that they don't accommodate plugins that follow their own standard.

** hosts need a solution for this either way, otherwise they also can't record MIDI CC messages which don't come with touch/release types either. It's exactly the same thing.

AudioGus

@brambos said:

@AudioGus said:

@brambos said:

@AudioGus said:
If Apple had enforced AUParameterAutomationEventTypeTouch and Release events required by their own Audio Unit specification and not approved AU plugins without it then I would sub.

But because they did not enforce this I can't automate the vast majority of AUs via their GUI, so not interested in Logic.

Apple are actually breaking their own standard with this. The docs are clear: AUParameterAutomationEventTypeTouch and Release are optional and always have been. And all other hosts deal with it.

By making it pseudo-mandatory all of a sudden they are putting the burden on developers like me who get to deal with all the support emails about "broken plugins".

It is a bit of a dick move by them. I'm also conceptually opposed to the concept of Touch and Release, which is too limiting for a platform that has tons of sensors and other ways to generate automation.

Interesting! Well I don't know what to believe now as...

@giku_beepstreet said:
AUv3 automation recording doesn't work in many cases, because most AUv3s don't send AUParameterAutomationEventTypeTouch and Release events required by Audio Unit specification.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/audiotoolbox/auparameterautomationeventtype?language=objc

So if you have a problem with your fav AUv3, inform developer please.

I'm glad Logic is the first DAW that requires this, it makes parameters recording much easier and robust.

(From my side: Zeeon works fine, Sunrizer will be updated soon)

Yes, that's the annoying thing. People immediately think the host is correct and the plugins need fixing. That's why I'm getting the irritating "please fix your plugin" mails.

Since this is a feature that makes the life of hosts easier, I'm not surprised Giku likes it. He's looking at it from a plugin hosting perspective.

However, this is and always has been a purely optional definition in the AUv3 standard, and the regular (non-touch/release) setValue method is perfectly valid - and is used by most plugins and hosts*.

It's pure laziness on the part of Logic that they don't accommodate plugins that follow their own standard.

** hosts need a solution for this either way, otherwise they also can't record MIDI CC messages which don't come with touch/release types either. It's exactly the same thing.

Ahhh, thanks for the clarification. That is frustrating and seems to only shoot themselves in the foot too. Well, hopefully an update on Apple's end may come to fix this at some point but Apple 'bravery' seems to know no bounds.

HotStrange

@GLacey said:

@HotStrange said:
But I can’t bring myself to delete Zenbeats or C3 as sometimes I may want that workflow. Or purely to use for a change of scenery.

Exactly how I feel.

I initially thought I was gonna be deleting them all except Logic Pro but I just can’t do it. I know them both too well and still have a lot of fun with them. Especially Zenbeats. It’s the sleeper hit of the iOS DAWs I feel.

HotStrange

@ErrkaPetti said:

@HotStrange said:
After sitting with it for a couple weeks I think I’ve decided a definitive yes. That being said, it probably won’t be where I spend the majority of my time (that’s AUM) but I can see it being the first DAW I reach for when I want that workflow. It can just do so much and do it pretty well.

But I can’t bring myself to delete Zenbeats or C3 as sometimes I may want that workflow. Or purely to use for a change of scenery. All the other “groovebox DAWs” like BM3, Vatanator Pro, Drambo are staying as well just for the fun factor.

Overall, for me, LPx isn’t a huge game changer. It’s not gonna drastically change my workflow. It’s just another tool in the tool belt. Albeit a very good and powerful one. If a couple months pass and I find I’m not using it at all or I’m using it in a way that I could also use another DAW, then I might delete.

I’m enormously thankful to the developers of the other traditional DAW:s on Apple mobile platform, that has struggle for many many years before Apple released their own DAW, Logic Pro for iPad…

What I wants to say here is that it will be 100% Logic on iPad for me from now on…

The others are also great, but I feel at home in Logic, and, the quality of all plugins is amazing, both instruments and MIDI/Audio FX plugins…

The discovery of Scripter MIDI FX plugin two days ago was a really big surprise - the ability to write your own MIDI FX plugin in Javascript seems fun!

@ErrkaPetti said:

@ErrkaPetti said:

@HotStrange said:
After sitting with it for a couple weeks I think I’ve decided a definitive yes. That being said, it probably won’t be where I spend the majority of my time (that’s AUM) but I can see it being the first DAW I reach for when I want that workflow. It can just do so much and do it pretty well.

But I can’t bring myself to delete Zenbeats or C3 as sometimes I may want that workflow. Or purely to use for a change of scenery. All the other “groovebox DAWs” like BM3, Vatanator Pro, Drambo are staying as well just for the fun factor.

Overall, for me, LPx isn’t a huge game changer. It’s not gonna drastically change my workflow. It’s just another tool in the tool belt. Albeit a very good and powerful one. If a couple months pass and I find I’m not using it at all or I’m using it in a way that I could also use another DAW, then I might delete.

I’m enormously thankful to the developers of the other traditional DAW:s on Apple mobile platform, that has struggle for many many years before Apple released their own DAW, Logic Pro for iPad…

What I wants to say here is that it will be 100% Logic on iPad for me from now on…

The others are also great, but I feel at home in Logic, and, the quality of all plugins is amazing, both instruments and MIDI/Audio FX plugins…

The discovery of Scripter MIDI FX plugin two days ago was a really big surprise - the ability to write your own MIDI FX plugin in Javascript seems fun!

Forgotten to mention that Drambo, dear Drambo, will still stand in my life - Drambo is not a replacement of traditional DAW:s although it’s an incredible app with great depth…

I’m trying to get into apps like Moziac, Streambyter, the Logic Scripter, etc I just need to really learn it. I’m just using other presets from patch storage now. How hard is it to learn?

Agree about Drambo though. It’s too unique and too amazing to go anywhere. I think it’s one of the few apps that makes the iPad worth the price alone. It’s like its own instrument.

day_empire

@Gavinski said:

@BerlinFx said:

@Gavinski said:
I voted yes, although 'probably' would have been my preferred choice. I think a lot of people in the 'haven't decided' category will very likely sub to at least the monthly tier for the simple fact that for most people who don't have time to go all in on learning this deeply now, 1 month trial will simply not be enough. Those who are sold on it and have the spare cash will go for the annual sub, those without spare funds or who are more on the fence will likely go for monthly. Some of the NOs are saying they won't get it but may break their resolve and try a paid month or two at least.

You forget those who will never go to sub because they don’t want the sub or they want only AUM to use their great collection of apps. I respect it . Not all members have even enable the test period.

Some here have as hobby not so to make music but to play around with knobs And are more in experimental, or only love pure sound design , doing preset or just have joy more like sound engineers. I respect them a lot and really they don’t need this daw or any daws.

We are all different the important is to respect each other. I am not sure if Pro producer Cole in this forum in crowd they will be so respectful some pro have very bad manner and don’t respect others.

I do think that some of those who voted no are doing it as a protest against the subscription model but for some, their scruples will crack when it comes to the crunch. Of course, many will stick to their guns.

Remember that nobody, including Boris Johnson thought Brexit would happen, haha, amd5je nearly shat himself when it did. Polls are fun, but to be taken with a big pinch of salt!

Funny. Brexit! I'm the UK opting out of the EU, the EU being the Apple microcosm. I say this although I'm an Apple desktop and iOS person. Apple is no different than any other large corporation, although it pretends to be. Bottom line is the shareholder, not the customer. Thus no outright purchase option for Logic. If you have this DAW for years, like I've had AUM, you will end up spending more than an outright purchase price. I have had Logic on the desktop for six years. How much would that cost me if it was subscription?

AlanC3

@AudioGus said:

@brambos said:

Yes, that's the annoying thing. People immediately think the host is correct and the plugins need fixing. That's why I'm getting the irritating "please fix your plugin" mails.

Since this is a feature that makes the life of hosts easier, I'm not surprised Giku likes it. He's looking at it from a plugin hosting perspective.

However, this is and always has been a purely optional definition in the AUv3 standard, and the regular (non-touch/release) setValue method is perfectly valid - and is used by most plugins and hosts*.

It's pure laziness on the part of Logic that they don't accommodate plugins that follow their own standard.

** hosts need a solution for this either way, otherwise they also can't record MIDI CC messages which don't come with touch/release types either. It's exactly the same thing.

Ahhh, thanks for the clarification. That is frustrating and seems to only shoot themselves in the foot too. Well, hopefully an update on Apple's end may come to fix this at some point but Apple 'bravery' seems to know no bounds.

So, since I haven't implemented any of this before I thought I'd better find out a bit more about it. It seems I have to implement AUParameterAutomationObserver in order to receive the kAudioUnitEvent_BeginParameterChangeGesture and kAudioUnitEvent_EndParameterChangeGesture events.

There's just one problem: the documentation is typical modern Apple.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/audiotoolbox/auparameterautomationobserver?language=objc

Try clicking through the AUParameterAutomationEvent link in the typedef on that documentation page to see just how much information and help you get...

brambos

@AlanC3 said:

@AudioGus said:

@brambos said:

Yes, that's the annoying thing. People immediately think the host is correct and the plugins need fixing. That's why I'm getting the irritating "please fix your plugin" mails.

Since this is a feature that makes the life of hosts easier, I'm not surprised Giku likes it. He's looking at it from a plugin hosting perspective.

However, this is and always has been a purely optional definition in the AUv3 standard, and the regular (non-touch/release) setValue method is perfectly valid - and is used by most plugins and hosts*.

It's pure laziness on the part of Logic that they don't accommodate plugins that follow their own standard.

** hosts need a solution for this either way, otherwise they also can't record MIDI CC messages which don't come with touch/release types either. It's exactly the same thing.

Ahhh, thanks for the clarification. That is frustrating and seems to only shoot themselves in the foot too. Well, hopefully an update on Apple's end may come to fix this at some point but Apple 'bravery' seems to know no bounds.

So, since I haven't implemented any of this before I thought I'd better find out a bit more about it. It seems I have to implement AUParameterAutomationObserver in order to receive the kAudioUnitEvent_BeginParameterChangeGesture and kAudioUnitEvent_EndParameterChangeGesture events.

There's just one problem: the documentation is typical modern Apple.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/audiotoolbox/auparameterautomationobserver?language=objc

Try clicking through the AUParameterAutomationEvent link in the typedef on that documentation page to see just how much information and help you get...

unless they sneakily changed it recently not even their own sample code uses that touch/release nonsense.

Edit: if you’re going at it from a plugin angle, look into the various “AUParameter setValue:” flavours. One of them lets you include an event type. That’s the one they want you to use.

ErrkaPetti

@day_empire said:

@Gavinski said:

@BerlinFx said:

@Gavinski said:
I voted yes, although 'probably' would have been my preferred choice. I think a lot of people in the 'haven't decided' category will very likely sub to at least the monthly tier for the simple fact that for most people who don't have time to go all in on learning this deeply now, 1 month trial will simply not be enough. Those who are sold on it and have the spare cash will go for the annual sub, those without spare funds or who are more on the fence will likely go for monthly. Some of the NOs are saying they won't get it but may break their resolve and try a paid month or two at least.

You forget those who will never go to sub because they don’t want the sub or they want only AUM to use their great collection of apps. I respect it . Not all members have even enable the test period.

Some here have as hobby not so to make music but to play around with knobs And are more in experimental, or only love pure sound design , doing preset or just have joy more like sound engineers. I respect them a lot and really they don’t need this daw or any daws.

We are all different the important is to respect each other. I am not sure if Pro producer Cole in this forum in crowd they will be so respectful some pro have very bad manner and don’t respect others.

I do think that some of those who voted no are doing it as a protest against the subscription model but for some, their scruples will crack when it comes to the crunch. Of course, many will stick to their guns.

Remember that nobody, including Boris Johnson thought Brexit would happen, haha, amd5je nearly shat himself when it did. Polls are fun, but to be taken with a big pinch of salt!

Funny. Brexit! I'm the UK opting out of the EU, the EU being the Apple microcosm. I say this although I'm an Apple desktop and iOS person. Apple is no different than any other large corporation, although it pretends to be. Bottom line is the shareholder, not the customer. Thus no outright purchase option for Logic. If you have this DAW for years, like I've had AUM, you will end up spending more than an outright purchase price. I have had Logic on the desktop for six years. How much would that cost me if it was subscription?

Apple has set a price on Logic Pro for iPad, and, it’s just eat it or not…
If you/we don’t wanna pay for LP4i, it’s several other DAWs on this platform, sure, non of the others can offers the same package of instruments, MIDI & Audio plugins that Logic for iPad offers…

I’m fuckin’ superhappy that Apple at last released Logic for iPad - version 1.0 ain’t complete, but, give Apple some time to add thing to thr app…

Cubasis for iPad has been on the Appstore for ten (10) year, and, is not near Logics version 1.0…

dokwok2

Can't argue with the quality of the built-in synths and effects...

AlanC3

@brambos said:

unless they sneakily changed it recently not even their own sample code uses that touch/release nonsense.

Edit: if you’re going at it from a plugin angle, look into the various “AUParameter setValue:” flavours. One of them lets you include an event type. That’s the one they want you to use.

There was an example dating back to the AUv2 days that the documentation suggested might do something of the kind. The problem is the source code was bundled as part of the CoreAudio SDK, and that version has long since disappeared into the "The page you’re looking for can’t be found" void.

Thanks for the pointer to the AUParameter - setValue:originator:atHostTime:eventType: method. Shame we don't get anything beyond the declaration...

brambos

@AlanC3 said:

@brambos said:

unless they sneakily changed it recently not even their own sample code uses that touch/release nonsense.

Edit: if you’re going at it from a plugin angle, look into the various “AUParameter setValue:” flavours. One of them lets you include an event type. That’s the one they want you to use.

There was an example dating back to the AUv2 days that the documentation suggested might do something of the kind. The problem is the source code was bundled as part of the CoreAudio SDK, and that version has long since disappeared into the "The page you’re looking for can’t be found" void.

Thanks for the pointer to the AUParameter - setValue:originator:atHostTime:eventType: method. Shame we don't get anything beyond the declaration...

That got it working for me. Shoot me an email if I can help.

RedSkyLullaby

Haven’t had time to download yet, pretty likely I will grab it though

BroCoast

I have given it so many tries. I use Logic on my mac a lot…

Maybe it’s just exciting for people to have all these instruments and tools on iOS but for me?

So slow, so annoying to use and it’s quite laggy at times on my M1 Pro.

It actually makes BM3 look elegant in comparison.

Strizbiz

I was really planning on subscribing after the demo period expired….I don’t think $50 is too much but tbh…I just haven’t found myself using it a lot in the last week, I’ve kinda gravitated back to desktop as far as Daws go and I don’t feel Logic Pro dragging me back to using to the iPad as far as Daws go. I might still subscribe but I’m kinda on the fence now…maybe I’ll find myself using it more but I’m getting things done on my MacBook Pro.

HotStrange

@BroCoast said:
I have given it so many tries. I use Logic on my mac a lot…

Maybe it’s just exciting for people to have all these instruments and tools on iOS but for me?

So slow, so annoying to use and it’s quite laggy at times on my M1 Pro.

It actually makes BM3 look elegant in comparison.

I dove back into BM3 recently and forgot how much I loved it. It’s really fun and useful. Vatanator Pro is great too but a bit buggy still.

HotStrange

@RedSkyLullaby said:
Haven’t had time to download yet, pretty likely I will grab it though

Think you’ll leave Endless for it?

RedSkyLullaby

@HotStrange said:

@RedSkyLullaby said:
Haven’t had time to download yet, pretty likely I will grab it though

Think you’ll leave Endless for it?

No endlesss is too much immediate gratification, I can see myself exporting and arranging/mixing in logic

HotStrange

@RedSkyLullaby said:

@HotStrange said:

@RedSkyLullaby said:
Haven’t had time to download yet, pretty likely I will grab it though

Think you’ll leave Endless for it?

No endlesss is too much immediate gratification, I can see myself exporting and arranging/mixing in logic

Definitely. I plan on doing the same with AUM projects. I still need to dive into Endless.

realdawei

The “clear all” double tap trick I think is pretty essential to the experience. Without that quick way to declutter I’m not sure I would have been as onboard with the UX

realdawei

@brambos said:

@AlanC3 said:

@AudioGus said:

@brambos said:

Yes, that's the annoying thing. People immediately think the host is correct and the plugins need fixing. That's why I'm getting the irritating "please fix your plugin" mails.

Since this is a feature that makes the life of hosts easier, I'm not surprised Giku likes it. He's looking at it from a plugin hosting perspective.

However, this is and always has been a purely optional definition in the AUv3 standard, and the regular (non-touch/release) setValue method is perfectly valid - and is used by most plugins and hosts*.

It's pure laziness on the part of Logic that they don't accommodate plugins that follow their own standard.

** hosts need a solution for this either way, otherwise they also can't record MIDI CC messages which don't come with touch/release types either. It's exactly the same thing.

Ahhh, thanks for the clarification. That is frustrating and seems to only shoot themselves in the foot too. Well, hopefully an update on Apple's end may come to fix this at some point but Apple 'bravery' seems to know no bounds.

So, since I haven't implemented any of this before I thought I'd better find out a bit more about it. It seems I have to implement AUParameterAutomationObserver in order to receive the kAudioUnitEvent_BeginParameterChangeGesture and kAudioUnitEvent_EndParameterChangeGesture events.

There's just one problem: the documentation is typical modern Apple.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/audiotoolbox/auparameterautomationobserver?language=objc

Try clicking through the AUParameterAutomationEvent link in the typedef on that documentation page to see just how much information and help you get...

unless they sneakily changed it recently not even their own sample code uses that touch/release nonsense.

Edit: if you’re going at it from a plugin angle, look into the various “AUParameter setValue:” flavours. One of them lets you include an event type. That’s the one they want you to use.

Are the coreaudio engineers any more accessible than before? Seems like a lot of organizational change going on

Gavinski

@BroCoast said:
I have given it so many tries. I use Logic on my mac a lot…

Maybe it’s just exciting for people to have all these instruments and tools on iOS but for me?

So slow, so annoying to use and it’s quite laggy at times on my M1 Pro.

It actually makes BM3 look elegant in comparison.

Yeah I have also been surprised sometimes how slow some windows have been to enlarge etc. Chordjam has been painfully slow to render full screen at times. And I have never had anything like a big session going in Logic yet, every setup has been minimal, just a few apps. Get to school, Apple!

AudioGus

@RedSkyLullaby said:

@HotStrange said:

@RedSkyLullaby said:
Haven’t had time to download yet, pretty likely I will grab it though

Think you’ll leave Endless for it?

No endlesss is too much immediate gratification, I can see myself exporting and arranging/mixing in logic

Omg, being able to host Maschine and vst fx in Endlesss on windows has been amazing. Love it so much!

DovJ

Cubasis for iPad has been on the Appstore for ten (10) year, and, is not near Logics version 1.0…

I’ve been using Cubasis for 3 years. With lots of extra effort and lots of money spent on plug-ins, I’ve gotten it to work.

Along comes Logic Pro for iPad with support for:

• Markers
• Busses
• Tons of quality audio effects
• Many quality MIDI effects (such as Scripter - what a find!)
• Takes

Yes, Logic Pro for iPad entails a bigger financial and time commitment than Cubasis. But, finally, on my iPad, I can use a real DAW.

Hurray!

Luxthor

@jonmoore said:

@Luxthor said:

@jonmoore said:
I had expected the majority to deicide against Logic, which you'll see if you read between the lines of my initial post regarding Logic, the day after its release. Ultimately, I don't think the opinions of the Audiobus community will matter one jot to the success of LP4iP. But to misrepresent song lyrics of the mighty John Lennon - just give Logic Pro a chance, before making up your mind. And this statement is coming from an entrenched Ableton Live user whose opening sentence uttered the words, "I made my purchase decision regarding Logic Pro the day after release".

Good suggestion for Obsidian, certainly will check it out, especially if it’s markup language friendly. Clogged Notes to the point of no return, a long time ago.

Obsidian's beating heart is Markdown, and you can use most Markdown extensions too. But you can also stick to Markdown as specified by John Gruber and Aaron Schwartz almost 20 years ago if that's your jam.

The great thing about Obsidian is that you can bespoke the experience in virtually infinite ways. The developer community adds so much real value to the experience. It can be overwhelming at first, but take your time, as Obsidian is already super powerful in its vanilla form.

I still use DevonThink too, as it has smart search capabilities. It's particularly good with PDFs (and most eBook formats). The one essential thing with DevonThink is to add to your collection as alias's. That way it can index your existing Obsidian data (most of which is of course in plain text) without doubling the storage footprint. Plus, you only have to add your Obsidian data structure once to DevonThink and everything is updated without you needing to think about it.

And did I mention, it's FREE! You can choose to subscribe to their sync service, or make direct donations from time to time. But syncing works equally well via Dropbox (better in fact than iCloud, if you have Win10/11 installations of Obsidian as well as macOS). I always suggest using it gratis for a while to see if it clicks, and only then subscribe/donate what you can afford and feel is apt for the value you get.

Darn, this opened a few new rabbit holes for me. On the first, Obsidian is the winner. Devonthink is even better, but I already have a NoSQL database setup for all projects, documents, licenses, stems, samples, etc.

At the moment I need to transfer everything from Notes to something like Obsidian. Have lots of charts made in Affinity Designer, so I can choose whatever format Obsidian likes most.

@jonmoore, thank you so much, you helped me a lot.

drez

Yeah, I've gone down the Obsidian trail as well. Gotta love markdown. I've been an Evernote user for as many years as they have been around, but their stubbornness to not include markdown made me punt on them. Also, canvas in Obsidian is very cool, especially for a person like me whose brain is a rabbit chaser.

As for Logic, I've got it on MacBook, trying to get to grips with it, but always wander back into my home of Ableton. Now that Ableton Live and Reason are both M1'able, I'm using the Reason Rack in Ableton which is just a fantastic combo. I don't have a compatible iPad, and instead of buying one, I bought Push 3 standalone and am waiting for that to arrive. I've always used push 1 then 2 with ableton, so it was a no brainer.

I find myself using the iPad less and less and only write on iOS with my iPhone and pretty much just NS2 and nothing else. I dabble some in drambo and have hooked up my Elektrons with AUM/Drambo to sequence them from the Elektrons, but I think being able to just grab the push3 and do everything, including drum programming so easily, I will not miss Logic or...anything iPad related. I do love NS2 in my pocket and hope to share a song I've been working on ever so slowly on my iPhone

Gavinski

I always love mind map apps etc. I’m curious to hear more about how you guys are using these kind of note-taking apps in relation to your music play / work.

day_empire

@ErrkaPetti said:

@day_empire said:

@Gavinski said:

@BerlinFx said:

@Gavinski said:
I voted yes, although 'probably' would have been my preferred choice. I think a lot of people in the 'haven't decided' category will very likely sub to at least the monthly tier for the simple fact that for most people who don't have time to go all in on learning this deeply now, 1 month trial will simply not be enough. Those who are sold on it and have the spare cash will go for the annual sub, those without spare funds or who are more on the fence will likely go for monthly. Some of the NOs are saying they won't get it but may break their resolve and try a paid month or two at least.

You forget those who will never go to sub because they don’t want the sub or they want only AUM to use their great collection of apps. I respect it . Not all members have even enable the test period.

Some here have as hobby not so to make music but to play around with knobs And are more in experimental, or only love pure sound design , doing preset or just have joy more like sound engineers. I respect them a lot and really they don’t need this daw or any daws.

We are all different the important is to respect each other. I am not sure if Pro producer Cole in this forum in crowd they will be so respectful some pro have very bad manner and don’t respect others.

I do think that some of those who voted no are doing it as a protest against the subscription model but for some, their scruples will crack when it comes to the crunch. Of course, many will stick to their guns.

Remember that nobody, including Boris Johnson thought Brexit would happen, haha, amd5je nearly shat himself when it did. Polls are fun, but to be taken with a big pinch of salt!

Funny. Brexit! I'm the UK opting out of the EU, the EU being the Apple microcosm. I say this although I'm an Apple desktop and iOS person. Apple is no different than any other large corporation, although it pretends to be. Bottom line is the shareholder, not the customer. Thus no outright purchase option for Logic. If you have this DAW for years, like I've had AUM, you will end up spending more than an outright purchase price. I have had Logic on the desktop for six years. How much would that cost me if it was subscription?

Apple has set a price on Logic Pro for iPad, and, it’s just eat it or not…
If you/we don’t wanna pay for LP4i, it’s several other DAWs on this platform, sure, non of the others can offers the same package of instruments, MIDI & Audio plugins that Logic for iPad offers…

I’m fuckin’ superhappy that Apple at last released Logic for iPad - version 1.0 ain’t complete, but, give Apple some time to add thing to thr app…

Cubasis for iPad has been on the Appstore for ten (10) year, and, is not near Logics version 1.0…

Been using Logic on the desktop for years. No need for an iPad version. Not a fan of iOS DAWs. Have Cubasis, never use it. AUM my preferred host. Send stems from there to Logic on the desktop. Just irritated by all the hype.