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Moog is now part of inMusic: UPDATE 😞

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  • SamuSamu

    @Gavinski said:
    I really hope this doesn't turn into a PPG scenario where Moog apps are suddenly wiped from the store. That would be tragic.

    For me that would just mean no more products from any of the companies managed or owned by inMusic...

    I mean when Meta/Facebook 'inquired' (a better word would be a more or less hostile take over of all IP, fire the people who worked there and shut down the company) Beatformer disappeared from the AppStore...

  • ErrkaPettiErrkaPetti

    @Gavinski said:
    I really hope this doesn't turn into a PPG scenario where Moog apps are suddenly wiped from the store. That would be tragic.

    Your comment made me run Wavemapper by PPG - WOW! Havn’t played with Wavemapper for five-six year - it sounds so lush creamy and fluffy, great!

    This was released for ten year ago and runner incredibly good on an M1 iPad - great coding!

  • auxmuxauxmux

    @espiegel123 said:

    @auxmux said:
    This is part of the consolidation of synth brands which started 2-3 years ago. Not surprising since synths have increased in popularity. Lots of brands have been bought or combined.

    This has happened a number of times over the history of electronic musical instruments. Pretty much every manufacturer of synths in the 60s/70s went bankrupt and either ceased to exist or got bought out by a large(r) company. Moog, Arp, Sequential Circuits, Oberheim, Buchla....

    Yup it was inevitable and cyclical pretty much.

  • NeuMNeuM

    @hes said:

    @NeuM said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @NeuM said:

    @auxmux said:
    This is part of the consolidation of synth brands which started 2-3 years ago. Not surprising since synths have increased in popularity. Lots of brands have been bought or combined.

    That trend is going to continue. The population is shrinking, so the number of people who will be around to buy things will also be fewer in numbers.

    Wrong analysis…

    The number of people in the world who going from poverty to middleclass is exploding…
    Both China and India (37% of the population in the world) have an big amount of habitants that can afford pretty expensive electronic stuff (and hopefully synthesizers)…

    While what you've said is true, what I've said is also true. All countries are facing a population collapse (at least that's how they classify it). From my observations, the population is returning to historical norms after the historical outlier of the Baby Boomer generation, which happened as a response to the end of the Second World War.

    What you've said is not true. Here's Wikipedia link, you can check its sources if you want: "The global population is still increasing, but there is significant uncertainty about its long-term trajectory due to changing fertility and mortality rates.[7] The UN Department of Economics and Social Affairs projects between 9 and 10 billion people by 2050 and gives an 80% confidence interval of 10–12 billion by the end of the 21st century,[2] with a growth rate by then of zero. "
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

    Also, I don't know what "historical norms" you're referring to, but the norm for the last several hundred years has been rapid growth: "It took over 200,000 years of human prehistory and history for the human population to reach one billion and only 219 years more to reach 8 billion." [same link as before]

    1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_the_United_States

    2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageing_of_Europe

    3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_Japan

    4) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_China

  • GavinskiGavinski

    @NeuM said:

    @hes said:

    @NeuM said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @NeuM said:

    @auxmux said:
    This is part of the consolidation of synth brands which started 2-3 years ago. Not surprising since synths have increased in popularity. Lots of brands have been bought or combined.

    That trend is going to continue. The population is shrinking, so the number of people who will be around to buy things will also be fewer in numbers.

    Wrong analysis…

    The number of people in the world who going from poverty to middleclass is exploding…
    Both China and India (37% of the population in the world) have an big amount of habitants that can afford pretty expensive electronic stuff (and hopefully synthesizers)…

    While what you've said is true, what I've said is also true. All countries are facing a population collapse (at least that's how they classify it). From my observations, the population is returning to historical norms after the historical outlier of the Baby Boomer generation, which happened as a response to the end of the Second World War.

    What you've said is not true. Here's Wikipedia link, you can check its sources if you want: "The global population is still increasing, but there is significant uncertainty about its long-term trajectory due to changing fertility and mortality rates.[7] The UN Department of Economics and Social Affairs projects between 9 and 10 billion people by 2050 and gives an 80% confidence interval of 10–12 billion by the end of the 21st century,[2] with a growth rate by then of zero. "
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

    Also, I don't know what "historical norms" you're referring to, but the norm for the last several hundred years has been rapid growth: "It took over 200,000 years of human prehistory and history for the human population to reach one billion and only 219 years more to reach 8 billion." [same link as before]

    1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_the_United_States

    2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageing_of_Europe

    3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_Japan

    4) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_China

    Missing India here, which has overtaken China as the world's most populous nation. Anyway, spending power, not just population, has to be taken into account.

    There would also be many other factors at play, though, in how interested any population is, or will be, in the prospect of buying synths, whether hard or soft.

  • ErrkaPettiErrkaPetti
    edited June 2023

    @Gavinski said:

    @NeuM said:

    @hes said:

    @NeuM said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @NeuM said:

    @auxmux said:
    This is part of the consolidation of synth brands which started 2-3 years ago. Not surprising since synths have increased in popularity. Lots of brands have been bought or combined.

    That trend is going to continue. The population is shrinking, so the number of people who will be around to buy things will also be fewer in numbers.

    Wrong analysis…

    The number of people in the world who going from poverty to middleclass is exploding…
    Both China and India (37% of the population in the world) have an big amount of habitants that can afford pretty expensive electronic stuff (and hopefully synthesizers)…

    While what you've said is true, what I've said is also true. All countries are facing a population collapse (at least that's how they classify it). From my observations, the population is returning to historical norms after the historical outlier of the Baby Boomer generation, which happened as a response to the end of the Second World War.

    What you've said is not true. Here's Wikipedia link, you can check its sources if you want: "The global population is still increasing, but there is significant uncertainty about its long-term trajectory due to changing fertility and mortality rates.[7] The UN Department of Economics and Social Affairs projects between 9 and 10 billion people by 2050 and gives an 80% confidence interval of 10–12 billion by the end of the 21st century,[2] with a growth rate by then of zero. "
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

    Also, I don't know what "historical norms" you're referring to, but the norm for the last several hundred years has been rapid growth: "It took over 200,000 years of human prehistory and history for the human population to reach one billion and only 219 years more to reach 8 billion." [same link as before]

    1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_the_United_States

    2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageing_of_Europe

    3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_Japan

    4) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_China

    Missing India here, which has overtaken China as the world's most populous nation. Anyway, spending power, not just population, has to be taken into account.

    There would also be many other factors at play, though, in how interested any population is, or will be, in the prospect of buying synths, whether hard or soft.

    Perhaps a little OT, but, here in Sweden the amount of students that playing acoustic instruments have been rising several years a row - that’s really great that not only electronic devices is used to play live music…

  • GavinskiGavinski

    I've heard that's a general trend, though don't know the statistics. These things always go in cycles anyway!

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @NeuM said:

    @hes said:

    @NeuM said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @NeuM said:

    @auxmux said:
    This is part of the consolidation of synth brands which started 2-3 years ago. Not surprising since synths have increased in popularity. Lots of brands have been bought or combined.

    That trend is going to continue. The population is shrinking, so the number of people who will be around to buy things will also be fewer in numbers.

    Wrong analysis…

    The number of people in the world who going from poverty to middleclass is exploding…
    Both China and India (37% of the population in the world) have an big amount of habitants that can afford pretty expensive electronic stuff (and hopefully synthesizers)…

    While what you've said is true, what I've said is also true. All countries are facing a population collapse (at least that's how they classify it). From my observations, the population is returning to historical norms after the historical outlier of the Baby Boomer generation, which happened as a response to the end of the Second World War.

    What you've said is not true. Here's Wikipedia link, you can check its sources if you want: "The global population is still increasing, but there is significant uncertainty about its long-term trajectory due to changing fertility and mortality rates.[7] The UN Department of Economics and Social Affairs projects between 9 and 10 billion people by 2050 and gives an 80% confidence interval of 10–12 billion by the end of the 21st century,[2] with a growth rate by then of zero. "
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

    Also, I don't know what "historical norms" you're referring to, but the norm for the last several hundred years has been rapid growth: "It took over 200,000 years of human prehistory and history for the human population to reach one billion and only 219 years more to reach 8 billion." [same link as before]

    1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_the_United_States

    2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ageing_of_Europe

    3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_Japan

    4) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_China

    Missing India here, which has overtaken China as the world's most populous nation. Anyway, spending power, not just population, has to be taken into account.

    There would also be many other factors at play, though, in how interested any population is, or will be, in the prospect of buying synths, whether hard or soft.

    Perhaps a little OT, but, here in Sweden the amount of students that playing acoustic instruments have been rising several years a row - that’s really great that not only electronic devices is used to play live music…

  • BietfriekBietfriek

    Last year I was lucky enough to visit the Moog Factory and Moogseum in Asheville. With the current trend (chips, Behringer and other factors) I think they have to do something. Is this the best solution? I truly hope it is but Roger’s story frightens me a bit. For now I will sit on my full Moog Sound Studio and Grandmother.

  • wimwim
    edited June 2023

    The Moog interactive website mentioned in this thread is loads of fun.

  • heshes
    edited June 2023

    @NeuM said:
    All countries are facing a population collapse. . . .
    1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_the_United_States

    You're citing sources that don't support what you're saying. . .

    "Given current (2020) demographic trends, it is projected that the U.S. population would grow slightly by 2100, while other countries, including China and India, will shrink."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_the_United_States

    "The UN Department of Economics and Social Affairs projects between 9 and 10 billion people by 2050 and gives an 80% confidence interval of 10–12 billion by the end of the 21st century. . . ."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

  • auxmuxauxmux
    edited June 2023

    @hes said:

    @NeuM said:
    All countries are facing a population collapse. . . .
    1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_the_United_States

    You're citing sources that don't support what you're saying. . .

    "Given current (2020) demographic trends, it is projected that the U.S. population would grow slightly by 2100, while other countries, including China and India, will shrink."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_the_United_States

    "The UN Department of Economics and Social Affairs projects between 9 and 10 billion people by 2050 and gives an 80% confidence interval of 10–12 billion by the end of the 21st century. . . ."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

    Yup, this is correct. While populations have been spiking for some time, they are now expected to peak in countries like China and India, as they did in Europe and US, and start to decline. This is because these countries are now entering their next phase of economic growth and mass population is no longer needed or sustainable.

  • oddSTARoddSTAR

    @Bietfriek said:
    Last year I was lucky enough to visit the Moog Factory and Moogseum in Asheville. With the current trend (chips, Behringer and other factors) I think they have to do something. Is this the best solution? I truly hope it is but Roger’s story frightens me a bit. For now I will sit on my full Moog Sound Studio and Grandmother.

    This is my home town and I still haven’t visited. Guess I’d better make it a priority now before it potentially disappears!

  • NeuMNeuM

    @Bietfriek said:
    Last year I was lucky enough to visit the Moog Factory and Moogseum in Asheville. With the current trend (chips, Behringer and other factors) I think they have to do something. Is this the best solution? I truly hope it is but Roger’s story frightens me a bit. For now I will sit on my full Moog Sound Studio and Grandmother.

    That must've been fun visiting their factory.

  • 0tolerance4silence0tolerance4silence

    Should have been Music Tribe :D

  • echooperaechoopera
    edited June 2023

    Time to get yours today:

  • Stuntman_mikeStuntman_mike

    @echoopera said:
    Time to get yours today:

    😂

  • WillWill

    Moog is was 49% "employee owned". Not exactly sure what that means when it comes to decision making about ownership transfers. If anyone reads anything about how employees were involved (or not) with this sale, I'd love to read about it.

    Synthtopia's write up is a good reminder that the Moog brand has changed hands/status several times over the decades. I'd like to think of this is just another chapter in the ever-evolving Moog story but Jack O'Donnell is a bastard.

  • NeuMNeuM

    @Will said:
    Moog is was 49% "employee owned". Not exactly sure what that means when it comes to decision making about ownership transfers. If anyone reads anything about how employees were involved (or not) with this sale, I'd love to read about it.

    Synthtopia's write up is a good reminder that the Moog brand has changed hands/status several times over the decades. I'd like to think of this is just another chapter in the ever-evolving Moog story but Jack O'Donnell is a bastard.

    Not that I have any inside knowledge of their situation, but if they had to make a choice between making payroll and shutting the doors this was the right decision for them.

  • Mr_FoxMr_Fox

    Did a quick Google search on inMusic. Damn, I didn't know inMusic owns so many companies. This is a bit unsettling.

    AIR Music Technology
    Akai Professional
    Alesis
    Alto Professional
    Denon Professional
    Denon DJ
    HeadRush
    ION Audio
    M-Audio
    Marantz Professional
    MARQ Lighting
    MixMeister
    Moog Music
    Numark
    Rane
    Sonivox
    SoundSwitch
    Stanton

  • GovernorSilverGovernorSilver

  • echooperaechoopera

    Another quick iteration.

  • NeuMNeuM

    @Mr_Fox said:
    Did a quick Google search on inMusic. Damn, I didn't know inMusic owns so many companies. This is a bit unsettling.

    AIR Music Technology
    Akai Professional
    Alesis
    Alto Professional
    Denon Professional
    Denon DJ
    HeadRush
    ION Audio
    M-Audio
    Marantz Professional
    MARQ Lighting
    MixMeister
    Moog Music
    Numark
    Rane
    Sonivox
    SoundSwitch
    Stanton

    Indeed.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InMusic_Brands

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @GovernorSilver said:

    I mean I’d buy it.

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    @HotStrange said:

    @GovernorSilver said:

    I mean I’d buy it.

    Just stay clear of the MOOG Farce :D

  • wimwim

    @Mr_Fox said:
    Did a quick Google search on inMusic. Damn, I didn't know inMusic owns so many companies. This is a bit unsettling.

    AIR Music Technology
    Akai Professional
    Alesis
    Alto Professional
    Denon Professional
    Denon DJ
    HeadRush
    ION Audio
    M-Audio
    Marantz Professional
    MARQ Lighting
    MixMeister
    Moog Music
    Numark
    Rane
    Sonivox
    SoundSwitch
    Stanton

    hummm ... on the other hand the fact that it isn't obvious that those brands are owned by someone else says something about them maintaining their autonomy.

  • wimwim

    @wim said:
    The Moog interactive website mentioned in this thread is loads of fun.

    I entertained my inner 5 year old for a couple of hours building a minimoog this evening. B)

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @wim said:

    @wim said:
    The Moog interactive website mentioned in this thread is loads of fun.

    I entertained my inner 5 year old for a couple of hours building a minimoog this evening. B)

    Now do an OP-1 and sell it for $999

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @knewspeak said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @GovernorSilver said:

    I mean I’d buy it.

    Just stay clear of the MOOG Farce :D

    0 voice polyphony. It just sits there.

  • AileromAilerom

    After the way the BFD purchase turned out I have very, very low expectations.

  • circledsquarecircledsquare

    The employee-owners were bought out according to the cdm article.

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