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There is no button on the forum(internet?) that I can click that would describe just how much I love this, and, that you did this.
So the future is bright?! š¤¢
Thatās why I got model D and model 15 but passed on animoog; I donāt trust IAP really to be reliable especially what I heard about moog. Anyway I have more than enough. I prefer acoustic instruments after all but itās nice to add variety
What do you mean regarding IAPs being reliable? model D and 15 both have IAPs? Animoog Z is their best synth, imo.
I do hope the recent massive moog app and iap sale was not a last minute cash grab made with the knowledge that the apps might be removed from the store. Still waiting for a response from them as to whether they will continue to support their ios products. Again, just bad memories of the PPG saga
Animoog isnāt a purchase of an app like model d and 15, you have to buy the iap upgrade from the base app. With moog issues with IAP in the past Iām glad I donāt have to be concerned with restoring an app as IAP, (same with subscriptions to me) in case there are worse issues as others said who knows what that means for app store etc and if itās not a concern to you, then donāt be concerned about iap . Animoogs just as good as the others, but I just would have bought it as an app, not an IAP in case a restore files like Iāve seen so many times )
I hope they certainly maintain and continue the software, theyāve only recently released software for desktop devices- Moogfooger, although they have in my opinion leveraged certain software for use in the MPC range they have also sort of maintained the origin of the software, BFD.
I wonder if this will eventually increase the resale value of pre-InMusic Moogs. Pre-CBS Fenders were a big deal when I was getting started, especially their amps. Prices went totally insane when Reverb came around so people have largely changed their mind about CBS-era-and-later Fenders, but that was a distinct watershed in the aughts.
Akai has done well under InMusic but something about the new MPC line feels almost disposable ā they straddle the line between āendlessly upgradableā and āinevitably obsolete.ā Maybe thatās not a fair assessment because theyāve done a very good job keeping the OS updated on older models, but the incremental hardware upgrades and flashy feature updates make the MPCs feel too much like another piece of consumer tech. Every time I find myself lusting after a Live II, I have to think about loading plugins and managing CPU bottlenecks and diving through touchscreen menus. People are doing amazing things with them but itās too awkward of a hybrid for my tastes. Is that InMusicās fault? Probably not, but theyāre a large corporation and need to keep shareholders happy. Flashy features and upgrade cycles always play well; satisfied musicians using the same gear for decades may be a tougher sell.
All this to say, Iām sad that an employee-owned business couldnāt thrive in the current economy and Iām sceptical that a corporate umbrella will lead Moog into a creative golden age. But I would love to be proven wrong. Maybe InMusicās supply chain and distribution capabilities will let them get even weirder with their designs!
An incredible merger of both company's core strengths. Akai's legendary analog synth expertise combined with Moog's woodgrain expertise. Brilliant!
hahaha
I love this thread
Itās turning out fun š
Perhaps āinMoogā is watching and taking note š¤ of potential products.
One of my bucket list items was "3) Own a Moog synth" and walking into a Sam Ash and saying "I'll take it" on a Little Phatty checked that off.
If this was another "Golden Age" that's passed I'm glad I was there for it.
Similar, though in my case it was the Sound Studio 3 and a Mavis.
Yep, I feel really lucky now.
It has the vibe of a hostage reading bullshit from a script. I wonder how much cash she's walking away with from this sale?
She has nothing to do with that Moog company, only the entirely separate Moog foundation. The relationship between those two entities has been rocky at times, although they recently collaborated to the extent of offering a modern Moog for one of the fund-raising things the foundation do.
Indeed Gavinski, much thanks for reaching out to them. Cheers, ED
Would really suck to lose these apps. I think Animoog shares the same engine as Theremini, so hopefully they'll at least support that one. I have always hoped Filtertron would be updated to au, but I doubt that happens now.
Since Moog is not going out of business, I presume the economies of scale which come from being part of a larger company will apply here. Part of the problem with this kind of specialized hardware is companies like Behringer can eat Moog's lunch all day since they have manufacturing facilities in (and very likely funding from) China.
China has strict requirements for foreign-owned businesses to operate in China. This is what Behringer's MusicTribe factory looked like in 2018.
(from 2018)
https://www.amazona.de/interview-reisereport-uli-behringer-2019-in-china/
Since 2020, China enacted a Foreign Investment Law which allows certain improvements to companies locating facilities in China, but there are a lot of downsides for a company committing to 100% reliance on manufacturing by any one country (as we've seen with the semiconductor shortage and shipping problems).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Investment_Law_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China
Agreed! ED
When I saw the plans for this on their website I thought "who the hell would actually make this?". Now I know.
Looks good - and you can't play a wrong note on it.
(I entertained my inner 65 year old ex-management windbag for several minutes with this post. š)
Having been on both sides of acquisition transition teams more than once over the years, I don't worry about the effect on Moog's iOS apps. If the Moog division thought these apps were worth maintaining I kind of doubt the parent company would concern themselves with it too much.
Moog probably made these apps more as as a brand presence thing than a serious revenue generating effort. That dynamic doesn't change having been acquired.
Sure, if the division is bleeding cash, something like this could come under pressure. But there are way more effective ways to cut costs than jettisoning existing software products that have such little maintenance overhead. Hardware R&D, manufacturing costs and other administrative redundancies are way more ripe for cost cutting measures. They require much bigger cash outlay and time before return on investment.
On the other hand, the software engineers could be let go or leave because of not being happy with the new structure. That would only impact fixing apps if they break though. In that case the company might elect to discontinue the broken app. More likely though, they'd shift the maintenance to a developer in another division or a software house in a low-cost country. It would not take anywhere near a full time programmer just to fix Apple update induced problems in existing apps.
It costs virtually nothing ($99 per year) to keep the apps on the App Store. I see no reason for them to remove them from sale unless they break and they don't feel it's worth it to fix them. Odds of that happening seem very low to me. The hit to their reputation as a brand would be too high.
This just doesn't seem like anything to be concerned about to me other than to reinforce my opinion that it's wise to wait at least a few months before jumping into iOS updates to be sure that broken apps are identified and fixed first.
Is this a thing? Iāve never heard of anyone having issues, itās always worked just fine for me. I definitely would to not have Animoog/Z. One of my favorite synth apps.
Great analysis Wim, thnx!
Animoog is one of my fav apps, if they ruin it I will be launching this MPC One they sold me then made obsolete, I will be launching it through one of the CEOās living room window. ( metaphorically, very peacefully and gently in the most PC of ways possible as to not scare or offend any of you more sensitive types.)
Lol, I feel you though. Hopefully it won't come to that > @Cyp3 said:
Lol, I could see a 'mini-keys' version of Minimoog Model D popping...
...a 2 oscillator 'Mother 32' could be a nice bonus as well.