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Knowing Behringer they love to give the finger, as you said above, so it could be possible, some of their past and present moves defy logic.
Behringer bashing is fair. There's plenty to bash.
But Behringer did not kill off Moog. Moog ended up where they are because there is no longer enough market for their products at the prices needed to sustain production the way they chose to carry it out. It would have happened whether Behringer was selling cheaper knockoffs or not. It's wrong to conclude that the people who would buy a Behringer ripoff would have bought a high cost Moog were the cheap alternative not available. Maybe a few, but I doubt enough to make a difference.
Cool info on the eyebrow @Tarekith. šš¼
Please tell me he was fighting someone like Joe Rogan or Mark Zukerberg. š
Accurate. There is a limited market for high-end brands in music. Most musicians are not very wealthy.
I would buy a Moog DFAM over a Behringer Edge if the DFAM had MIDI. The knobs are waaaay better on the DFAM, like not even close. Build quality...much better. But you'd think, in this day and age, Moog could have added MIDI support. These are the reasons why, imo, Moog is behind. The quality of life additions just aren't there.
Strangely I started looking at Behringer like a hardware alternative to the Arturia V Collection the other day. Beh gear is almost cheap enough to be plugins, well at least some of it. Lol
Plugins donāt get bashed like hardware homages š¤·š½āāļø
Honestly, Iād like to see Moog adopt precision motor control over their knobs and settings so automation could be implemented, in the same way some new hardware synth competitors are implementing.
I don't think it is coordinated, but frankly behringer deserve whatever they get after the way they treated Peter Kirn, among much other disgusting behaviour
See this also:
https://x.com/bennjordan/status/1711082621222912106?s=61&t=h9IT_HLFyi9pwn2iXlMGDQ
Behringer is already selling knockoffs of most of Moog's line anyway. What do they need Moog for?
inmusic is probably just drumming up the āhate on behringerā circle jerk to take attention off them lol
Cool video, I bought a Moog Sub 25 when it came out, Iām already seeing it sell for $1200 new ( $1199 ) up from the $850 I bought it new for, I think itās due more so to inflation than the company being sold at this time. But Iām not gonna lie, I also bought a Behringer Poly D because thereās no way in hell I can afford a real Moog Model D right now. š¤·š½āāļø
In practice, though, itās less of an issue than youād think, I suspect.
NB Iām not saying they wouldnāt have sold more DFAMs if they had MIDI - Iām sure they would have - but (based on a completely unscientific impression based on YT and IG videos), I doubt most people who own one donāt also have other gear able to send analogue clock to it. Such as a Mother-32 or Subharmonicon, or modular, or an SQ-1 or whatever, so you just send MIDI to one of those and clock it from there if you need to sync to a DAW or whatever.
So, while Iām broadly in agreement with your point - it seems an odd omission, bearing in mind the M32 and SubH both have MIDI - itās not a huge issue in practice. Though it would be if you had a setup that was MIDI right through.
One argument against MIDI, though, is that you can do interesting things by modulating the clock signal - Iāve no idea how that would integrate with MIDI clock, which seems to be designed to be stubbornly regular.
Cvpal clones are an easy and pretty cheap way to give Moog stuff an in to midi but can be a little noisy with the usb port as the power source. Sometimes I just use a TENS unit as a clock source and sync things up by ear when I need my lfos
You made it further than me. He does seem likable and articulate, but I wish he would get to the point.
I feel like that about a lot of YouTube videos though - creators talk a lot but donāt really get round to actually saying very much.
The unfortunate thing with youtube is that the algorithm tends to like longer videos. Probably at least partly because they tend to have more ads. Youtube tends to punish people who donāt consistently publish their format in a similar style, length etc. i actually much prefer Twitter as a platform currently - much more likelihood that all your kinds of different content get eyes. YouTube restricts written content, polls etc, to your community, for example. I think YouTube is in for a shock regarding how much of its ass is going to get eaten by Twitter if it doesnāt up its game. Same with Insta with its absolutely horrendous user experience when crafting posts, lack of basic functionality like clickable links in posts etc. Twitter is the best place to be posting stuff now, hands down, though they also need to deal with bugs, the fact that some Twitter Premium functionality is only available on the desktop site, not on the apps etc. Threads is better than Insta, but it doesnāt offer the long form posting or formatting options that Twitter Premium does, and it just died a death very quickly after launch. But yeah, despite a rocky takeover and despite that fact I think he is really an asshole, Elon Musk has made some excellent changes over at Twitter.
The title of the video should have been Behringer Bad, letās bash for long timeā¦.
Audiobus forum on Benās video.
Pretty sure he does that for a living so wouldnāt make much sense to release a 30 second video. Most YouTubers I follow make longer videos. Hainbach could sum up all his videos in 30 seconds by saying āthis is coolā and then playing it for 25 seconds, but seeing 15 minutes of him taking through its paces is part of the fun.
Thereās a not so subtle difference between a demo and a rant.
Trial by media is the norm on the Big Brother Channel these days.
This was not a rant., anyway, anyone, top tip for anyone who doesnāt like a YouTuber or other social media influencerās content: donāt watch them. Very simple
An important role of the media has always been to call things out. Do you think that ānon-mainstreamā media does not hold its own trials? They do. They only cry trial by media when the media happens to be saying something they donāt agree with. Otherwise theyāre absolutely fine with it. Pure hypocrisy
You are quite correct, I could cancel them, but thatās not for me, I like to listen to as many possible opinions as I can, gather as many facts as possible, before I form a position. No hypocrisy, no conjecture, just a reasonable formed opinion. If thereās a herd to follow my first question is why.
Itās not the length of the video as much as how much some creators draw out the length when they donāt have enough to say in the time it runs for. Thatās a shame that YouTube encourages this, as for me I would rather see a video based on what the creator thinks is worth saying, and not that plus a lot of padding.
Thatās another way of defining - a rant.
Sure, if you like to define it that way.
I disagree. Vid is basically shaming people that bought Behringer clones at Ā£300 rather then the Ā£5000 for the Moog equivalent. Pretty horrible stuff really.
I didnāt watch the video but as someone who bought the Boog over the Moog because I could never afford it even in a dream, his shaming would be pretty ineffective on me unless he wants to help pay my bills
Moog is a 1 trick pony and hasnt done anything remotely interesting since 2002.
Yeah.. you got a ladder filter. How long you gonna ride that wave?
I didnāt watch the whole video, this thing is terrible if you speak the truth. Everything around us is basically a copy of something else, even the universe.