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Same. Although, for me they would then be worth the asking price and so I'd probably slowly build my collection starting with Rock.
Oh yeah I meant $100 as in I’d buy 5 or 6 haha. I’d definitely start my collection as well. Probably with Soft Drummer.
can anyone please test if this works as standalone on desktop? I know soft drummer does, and even allows export of stems, two track, midi. but funk drummer crashes upon opening.
I disagree. The way people choose to respond to my words in solely in their domain. I have no control over that. Take it as fact, that I have not had any focus, even in a single infinitesimally small form toward intentionally trying to "raise bad feelings and dismissiveness". To put that on me is to give me power I don't believe anyone has. I'm saying how it appears to me from my user perspective, from my business planning perspective and from my experience with customer expectation modelling.
True. But as a customer that like what Lumbeat do, and has spent a significant amount in app terms I feel I should be able to expand on a simple and fairly invaluable statement such as this.
If you said in a thread, I'm not interested in apps with bold lettering, that this would capture enough information to warrant a developer opening a dialogue with you? However, if you also put for a range of supporting information, even if some were less than factual, you may get a more considered response. It's all futile at this point anyway.
As has been said. Lumbeat is apparently incapable of improving his old tech, or doesn't want to, or its too hard, or not feasible whatever that means. So even though I thought this was over with my initial post, I really don't have anymore to add. Unless of course I feel the need to defend what I have said.
If that's it, thanks for the conversation. No hard feelings here.
I still use all of the Lumbeat apps except for Rock Drummer, which I don’t care for. You can still use these in AUM and Loopy Pro. As others have mentioned, you can export the audio and the midi as well. While I wish it were AUV3, I’ll get plenty of use out of this. The complaining seems a little over the top for such a useful app.
I agree with both sides but I think the counterargument wins “the numbers”
$20?!!!
For IAA??
(and they shouldn’t pretend like auv3 might be possible (whcih I believe happened with this when they said basic auv3 or on the horizon)
There is nothing appealing about this BUT not the parrot but just skip it then dude
And I would definitely pay for an auv3 like hot strange said, if they update if they rolled that out. $30 for a drum app is a lot but Lumbeats are really some of the best drum apps that were made iOS or otherwise
Lumbeat should get absorbed by apple drummer ; I hope they offer them
Those sounds within Logic and GB would be great! Dev doesn’t seem like the type to do that but you never know!
The guy is a genius. Can you imagine this thing 'live' in Logic... automation and all.. and iBassist chugging along... and AfroLatin drum under Groove Lock?
https://on.soundcloud.com/oBGtT
TBH, I used to be a follower of the complaint that the developer could not be bothered to create AU versions. But really, it's his decision. You need to find a work-around or find something else.
I have found now that with Mozaic , it is pretty much exactly the same as an AUv3 . I can create whatever I need the Lumbeat drum app to be and do and then it loads as that when the AUM session loads. I've got around 200 Sessions and counting
The only downside, and it is pretty big, is that with all 5 open (soon to be 6 with Hip Hop) the CPU hovers up around 70% (it's only an iPad MINI Gen5) and sometimes the audio crashes (haha in a BIG noisy way!)
But that's the price of doing business as they say... these are unique apps and there is NOTHING like them (believe me I have looked long and hard and spent many $'s trying) .
I will soon buy a new mini with the M2 chip ( when it happens) and I reckon that will solve the crashing issue.
But folks (and this is from a former ally) this horse has been flogged into a rug, so stop beating!!!
There isn’t another IOS app that can make these sounds… LUMBeats always nails the selected Genre. For folks like me that own the whole collection, we’re learned to work around the lack of AUv3. The most important detail with AUv3 for me is usually hailing multiple instances.
I’d imagine that targeting a new genre and focusing on getting the sounds and patterns correct is key to seeing a new LUMBeats app. People keep buying them and many won’t but at $18 its probably worth making new apps and hopefully a fulfilling creative exercise. Most of us don’t make music expecting to make money and I’m sure there are developers that do it for the creative outlet and some extra income. Telling them how they could make more money by taking on a technical task they don’t look forward too can often fall on deaf ears. I think it’s clear this is one of those cases. Let it go. Find your Hip Hop options elsewhere. I’ll just export audio loops into Logic Pro, Staffpad and use IAA in AUM. In the end it’s how it sounds and NOT just
How it’s made.
I’m sure there are die hard Xequence users that accept that @SevenSystems just doesn’t want to bust his brain against the AUv3 specs and docs. He rather add new features since he’s not just the programmer… he’s a user too.
Numbers don't always tell the real story. In this case it only shows one small part of the total story. They always tell real stories but as you've shown above this only shows who has bought, not who didn't and the reasons why. I suppose a cool comeback would be to say who cares if it is top ten. Well I'd care. Especially if it was No. 9 and could have been No. 1.
Why?
Well, I’m glad it got the support for a #9! The app is awesome and there’s nothing that nails this genre quite like this on iOS
I don't see how the usefulness of a plugin has anything do do with the potential features that are missing or not to one's taste. Are you saying that every extremely useful app has nothing in it that you don't like?
I don't really like the tone of being told what to do but I'll take "Let it go." as friendly advice on how to stop beating my head on a brick wall.
You raise a good point though. And to be honest that is precisely what I imagined as the development process. Which is why I referred to it as fleecing. I know fleecing is not the nicest word but bear in mind it can be deliberate or completely unthought of. Regardless, that is how it seems to me.
Who knows when IAA will be shut down? Or if an update will render it unusable? I have no idea. So regardless of the intent of Lumbeat they are trying to make money actively developing, releasing and charging top dollar for products that lack the modern features for connectivity and rely on connectivity that as far as I know could be gone some time soon.
That was a typo. I had the screen upside down and thought I hit 6.
Whether it nails the genre or not isn't really relevant to your post.
No, that is not what I’m saying. Thank you for asking. My full comment (which you failed to quote because it doesn’t support your thesis) mentions that the you can export the audio and the midi. Taken together, it makes this app very useful in many if not all circumstances. Given these features, I can live with its minor inconveniences.
As harsh as Ailerom may sound, he does have a point on ‘depreciation’..Will iOS 17 render IAA useless?
I think Mr. Lumbeat is wise enough to be working on Auv3…
I didn't quote the full app because it had nothing to do with what I was saying. My only point was that (and this is regardless of what we are discussing, useful turtles, useful electronic devices, useful people) the usefulness of X has nothing to do with the complaints it might receive.
To simplify, the complaints are about the bad things and the useful things are those that there are no complaints about. So for example Robotic leg, latest tech, amazing assistance device, won't work properly under 15 degrees celsius. See, would racing a complaint about this useful device be over the top? As a statement it has no value. That was my point. In any discussion, including this one.
Wait, what? I sound harsh?
Everyone seems to think that his only position on the auv3 issue is that it is not possible for him to create this feature. Given what you said, how would it make you feel if he is just pumping out new old tech without a care in the world for auv3?
Yes. An AUv3 Drummer is in development
Standalone apps should continue to operate "standalone" whether or not IAA works. If that's true and if they have export, then they won't be useless.
Sort of. To clear up the speculation running through his thread:
Quote from June 18
Other than state saving…I dunno what everyone is upset over it not being AUv3. If you treat lumbeats apps like standalone hardware, it’s a non issue. No one stopped using their OP1or AnalogRythm w/ AUM or logic cause it’s not an AUv3.
Just pipe the midi into logic, record it there if ya want, and use whatever drum kits/machine you want. Or record the audio into something to stem out and drop in quicksampler or whatever.
(im an AUM dork, not a logic dork, but I can do all of this in AUM since forever ago so i assume the process isn’t any different for logic)
Or record your HHD stem in AUM and drop into Logic as audio...drum work intact 🤷🏾♂️
That would be awesome. I’d buy a bunch of them with AU support. I like having everything within AUM and being able to tweak patterns Live while also doing other things in the same window, which is why I don’t really buy new IAA synths anymore. I still have my old IAA apps like DM1/2 and I do use them, I just can’t bring myself to buy new ones at that price. He’ll definitely get my business when that happens.
Is the source of that statement the quote I posted above?
No sir. Luis has stated previously in this forum that he’d take a look at AUv3 for a Drummer.
I was also one of the 10 people that beta tested HHD so I can ask if you’d like
@pax-eterna what Mozaic script or plural scripts are you using? And the routing if you’re doing something “funky”?
(I attempted to use a hip hop like synonym for funky but it fell flat)
Well, you have a better connection than I do, so I won't argue and will hope you're right. 👍🏼
However I've looked back through a couple of years of comments from him here, and I don't see anything like that.
The closest I could find prior to the mention I already quoted was from September 2021