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There is ‘bad’. And then there is outsider.
Now I have read the real life backstory of The Shaggs. It is so dark,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shaggs,
it makes the ‘evil’ posturing of the metal bands here look like nursery tales by comparison. At least The Jackson 5, for example, who had a reportedly similar controlling father, seemed to flourish and want their success at some level… not so The Shaggs. Hard to imagine the misery and humiliations of their childhood circumstances. And yet from this crucible something emerged…
As noted above, true ‘outsider’ art like theirs is rare, because it escapes the boundaries of just naff/camp/bad/poorly executed or tasteless. It beams in from another place, with an internal logic all its own, which renders conventional aesthetic judgment or the usual yardsticks of performance, skill, etcetera against which familiar forms are judged, entirely irrelevant.
Outsider art can only be recognised, not judged. It has an authenticity, an honesty, a direct mainline to the wellspring, which cannot be appropriated or replicated. That no regular artist, however skilled, can access. Which is why they recognise it, and at some level, envy it. Jarvis Cocker, that very tasteful and accomplished product of an art school, has long been a champion of (literal) outsider artists.
It is savant stuff, and the utter unfakeable sui generis-ity of it, in visual arts or in music, makes it uniquely compelling in a way which something just plain bad never can.
I don't whether this thread is making me want to laugh or cry. 😱
One of Kurt Cobains biggest influences apparently
Ah you beat me to it! I love Outsider art. No pretension, just music for the love of music.
https://youtu.be/tRwYQgk05DY
This song has been given the title, Worse Song Ever, before. Mind you, it’s been a few years.
“I left the cake out in the rain…”. Huhhh???
Macarthur Park is brilliant imho.
The Shaggs story really does sound like it could have been written by Shirley Jackson.
That creepy New England gothic feel.
Terry Adams first turned me on to The Shaggs.
Hell, he was surprised that I knew of his
band (NRBQ)
He was later instrumental in having the album rereleased.
This version was a huge radio hit when I was a kid.
Why???
Does it count if it’s trying to be bad?
Somebody send him a code for the Bleass Voices app.
8th best selling single in the UK in 1984.
That’s an important distinction, and one that many people can miss.
There’s a lot of outsider music that I like, and a lot of heavily produced music that cost a fortune to make that I think is utter garbage.
Give me the Shaggs over the top 40 any day.
So, if you didn't read the backstory of The Shaggs you would just think their tracks are bad?
Actually this one isn't so bad, just fruity . 😏 (Get it, because there are literal dancing anthropomorphic fruits? I'll see myself out.)
Oh dear goodness, all I had to see was the thumbnail and I already knew which song that was. 😆 My mates and I in uni used to laugh our arses off to that one back in our 20s. And as a man who's pushing 40...it still makes me laugh.
I'm so glad I brought up The Shaggs, because now I'm learning a lot more about Outsider Music and Outsider Art in general. I'm also shocked about the Shaggs' tragic backstory. One never knows what interesting discussions can come about from a simple post.
Call me an outsider but this song is bad ass…..!! I didn’t pay attention to the lyrics lol
A bit awkward to see authentic and sincere artists like The Shaggs or even the face of the great Daniel Johnston in this thread. They don't belong here. It feels like the initial joke of the OP went terribly wrong at some point of the discussion...
@JanKun I wholeheartedly agree with you. @Svetlovska put it very well: “Outsider art can only be recognized, not judged.”
It was me who brought up The Shaggs. I didn't understand what outsider art was to be honest. I simply thought it was fodder for the thread, but people have been educating me and others here as to what outsider art is.
"True love will find you in the end" 😉
Hehe, precisely. Strange thing is, I love Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart, so now that I can understand that The Shaggs fit in with that crowd, they aren't so bad afterall. Just outsider music.
I admit that I'm ignorant to things sometimes, but I'm always open and glad to be educated. I'm 39 pushing 40, and honestly I'm never too old to learn.
And then there’s Mike Love “rapping.”
@rottencat , I think I win:
Far be it from me to consider you ignorant. You wouldn't have reached your level of craft if you were.
That being said, as someone who made the mistake for years, I would advocate to try to stay away form over labeling things... Labeling is a bias. And it's probably better to stay away from any form of cultural bias when discovering something new. Like in this case, if you can't stand listening to The Shaggs and consider their music as rubbish it is perfectly fine. No one should judge you for that. It shouldn't matter what people say in this forum or whether Zappa or Cobain were huge admirers when forging your own impression.
Well, I was (and still a little bit am) ignorant (or unknowledgeable) to outsider music that is. But I'm learning everyday.
It isn't an ignorant attitude that I'm referring to but rather my lack of knowledge.
True. Then again, my musical tastes span far beyond simple Western Classical Music Theory. I've taken World Music courses and have heard some incredible music, including music involving microtonal scales including Balinese Gamelan music which I absolutely love.
This is true, but still, I thought their music was more of a joke before being educated on the matter.
I could learn to take a page or two out of both Zappa's and Cobain's books. I'm a major fan of Captain Beefheart's music. It may sound like cacaphony, but everything was painstakingly notated down to the minutest of timings and tones, and the result is something quite magical that modern technology cannot reproduce.
Judging it is missing the point, although plenty of people do.
We laugh about it now but we had to suffer this back in the day. I honestly could not believe it.
This was released in the same year as the mighty Juno 106. Amazing.
Okay. I managed it. I actually listened to the whole thing.
I don't know what to say. On the positives. It's actually recorded well.
I've heard worse melodies and it's impressive that possessing almost zero musical ability didn't stop them recording a song. It's almost pre-punk really.
Fun fact. The “Aayyyy” after “Hey Macarena…” is a real thing in the south of Spain…it could means just a salute of men (friends)or when you see a pretty girl…I’m not kidding at all
The Kars for Kids jingle is devil's music.