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Zenbeats 3 is the best DAW on iOS as of Summer 2023
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I thought Logic was the end of DAW. Between Cubasis updates not including including hardware and automation parameters, BeatMaker not really updating or showing signs like NS2, the abandonware of Auria Pro, the small camp of Audio Evolution n track and Multi track studio, i thought that was the end and I would have to submit to the machine and just keep Logic Pro as the only DAW. Little did i know there was a complete, more than fully featured, totally suited for iOS production DAW that was both purchase license and also subscription and that is Roland Zenbeats 3.
This is the first DAW that I have had 0 issues with my hardware. I am new to synthesizers as main instruments, and that is why when I got my MIDI controller I was careful about selecting it. It is best in its mini class in my opinion and I was sure to have the updates and other DAWs were picky or not working well, and with Logic needing scripts I was just like, come on, is there a plug and play? So it was, and I asked the questions that brought me to find there is a DAW i didnt know existed even though I known Roland as long as anything musical since the 80’s and I m stunned to not know of being aware of it. Like I still dont know how it isn’t considered the best DAW, leave alone set aside that it is rarely spoken of or even known of.
if you need an all in one solution, similar to Logic (not as extensive sound Library of course, but it has a wide array of unique things to its own like amazing drum machine, the best synthesizers to my opinion , and some either semi sampled or modeled or hybrid, instruments) and it is also cross Platform now for $75 I believe until July 15. I am not technically great at production or studio work as I was always a studio (session) musician that was produced but Roland looked like it would be hard but it was the simplest set up of all, and most important and needed function are there. There are great effects, mastering and mixing tools, and everything you need because it also supports AUv3 and it works very nicely with MIDI controller plugin stuff.
It is trial so you can try before you buy, but it’s on sale anyway, for $8 you can’t go wrong. For $40 you would have all you ever need I imagine and 75 is for your Mac and your iPad and iPhone. Just plugging that because I thought someone who might be looking for a purchase alternative to Logic might not know the best DAW on iOS is Roland Zenbeats for an all in one as well.
My biggest feature request is a multi core thread support but Im sure that’s being worked on considering other DAW have it. Even still, it isn’t needed as I never redlined with it, but it’s nice to have.
Hope this helps someone who did not find Logic for their subscription taste and needed a better daw than Cubasis 3
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I agree it’s great DAW. I had problem with realtime recording of external instrument automations (it just doesn’t work for me at all, no matter what i do) but if they one day improve this, it will be perfect.. If one day NS2 stops fulfill my needs, ZenBeats will be definitely my choice.
@MatthewAtZenbeats really thumbs up, you went LONG way since Roland bought your product (can’t remember the name before ZenBeats era), really a lot of great improvement there, it’s now very solid, stable and very capable DAW. Maybe lot of ppl here will not agree with me but i think on iOS it is much better than Logic - much better optimised to this platform (especialy in terms of UI)
If ZenBeats DAW was that good that you say, Apple would never had released Logic Pro for iPad…
And, non DAW on mobile platform is better than Logic Pro for iPad, and, if you have this opinion you haven’t experienced Logic full potential yet…
Spend time with deep evaluating of ZB last two weeks and based on my criteria ZB is vastly better DAW than Logic (ofc just on iOS, on desktoo is situation very different !!)
Everybody of us has different criteria and priorities.
I have no stake in this or opinion about the relative merits of Zenbeats vs Logic Pro
But the argument that Apple wouldn't have released Logic Pro if there were a solid iOS DAW doesn't make sense to me. There are plenty of reasons Apple might establish a presence with Logic Pro even if there were solid alternatives. Apple must have been working on iOS Logic for quite a while and the plans certainly are about the long-term. At least part of the reason is wanting to avoid a migration away from Logic by desktop users in the future as iPads become increasingly viable as adjuncts to professional studios and pro musicians. And as a way to make iPads seem like essential tools for desktop Logic users.
Only time will tell what sort of commitment they will maintain to it.
(Fwiw, I was involved in music software development for decades and have also worked at Apple...long long ago... and have friends that are still there...the existence of competing projects wouldn't keep Apple from dipping their toe into a market).
Just started using ZB a few days back and it has been quite a revelation for me too. Love how straightforward it is, and the ease of use and accessibility to lots of sounds for the internal instruments, plus great library management to get around space limitations etc etc. Having PDC is an added bonus. Multi-threading would make it even better. Can't comment on how it compares to Logic Ipad as I have yet to try that.
For anyone using the max unlock that upgraded from an older version to ZB3, can you comment on if the upgrade price is also discounted during sales like the current one? I almost bought it a few days back but decided to go with a 1-year subscription for now, but do plan on buying it maybe after it hits V4.
Ummm, I have zenbeats, I have Logic Pro…on both iOS and Mac OS.
Let’s be real…not in any stretch of the imagination is this VS Battle close.
Here we go: sample alchemy, drum machine designer, & quick sampler VS sampleverse…? I can’t even stand to look at sampleverse it’s so hideous. It comes nowhere close to the abilities of sample alchemy period…if you can even stand to use it. Sample chopping in logic and kit building is so fast and easy it’s ridiculous. But the sample power of Logic for phrases, loops, and one shots is all day superior to zenbeats. (if full sampler comes, or full alchemy..there is no more powerful sampling available for iOS)
Zen beats is a Daw/rompler, with very limited editing…and a couple of not great synths (easily destroyed by groovebox or gadget). Yes it has samples of legendary tr drums etc…but those can easily be ported anywhere. Imagine for one second you live in a drug fueled illusion that tells you anything in zenbeats can remotely hold a candle to es2, alchemy (even as it stands), sculpture, or drum synth..? NOPE where’s the smell in sauce.
Zen beats has No full blown zencore synth…and yes it could run on iOS. They just won’t let you have it…because it’s Roland and it will compete with their ego or I mean their hardware (i also own the fantom 6). If Roland ported the vsynth and the entire Zenology synth over…we’ll, that would be a great improvement.
The effects in Logic decimate the effects in zenbeats…I don’t need to discuss this it’s just Fatality here.
The sequencer(s) destroy the sequencing in zenbeats, the step sequencer here is just better.
Can I utilize midi plug ins on instrument tracks in zenbeats? Not sure…have seen it, might have missed it in that sketchy gui.
I can go and go and go….this is not a battle zenbeats can win at all…I like zenbeats when I want to be limited and sound all Rolandy so I haven’t yet erased it. If Roland wants to make money sell iOS users Zenology synth as a full blown plug in…it would be worth the $200.00+ or Roland cloud sub if you really wanna over pay.
New folks wanting a powerful Daw, give Logic Pro a free month trial, then give zenbeats a free run….you’ll see for yourself, this is not a good comparison. This is like comparing apples to apple jack cereal.
Good day if you wish,
smilezies
If you prefer renting Garagband Pro (aka Logic standard for the iPad), then enjoy it. Its your money and your opinion.
The real illusion is thinking Logic is Logic Pro, which it’s not . It’s close, maybe getting closer but I prefer a full DAW like Zenbeats.
You can use any Fabfilter to Klevgrand mix or master tool and actually own the product, and you can finish any track in Zenbeats you could in BM3 or CB3 or even Logic for iPad
So you can rent the “best” DAW or you can own the DAW that’s just as good if not better
and I own Logic Pro for macOS; THATS a real full professional DAW. Different “app” altogether; don’t kid yourself
You must be kidding, right? There are dozens of reasons they would do so that have no relation to the relative quality of other options.
Better for one person isn't better for everyone.
'cmon - DAWs aren't a religion. They're a creative tool, no more.
Better how? Illuminate me…I’m waiting.
NOTE: yes it is my opinion and what I stated above is true as well
Or you can buy cubasis for 49.99 every year and half which is almost the same thing?
Or you and rent Roland cloud and get the whole zenbeats Daw for 20 a month and still can’t compete with Logic Pro
Or you can read your Eula and know the software DOES NOT belong to you at all. Wake up please…just read…you remember reading right?
I’ll await the hows and whys of your explanation of this zenbeats defeating of Logic Pro. Which it seriously can not accomplish at this point.
also…
Logic Pro is more pro than anything on iOS at the moment. It’s biggest competitor is actually Beatmaker 3 not weak ass zenbeats. Logic Pro is currently at Version 1…. You want a lot for less than a cup of coffee a month…sheesh. I mean it obliterates the Daw of your choosing already…just saying!
I mean I literally died laughing and stopped taking you seriously at “a full Daw like zenbeats”.
You are a funny human,
Smilezies
You can call Logic Pro for iPad whatever you want, it still the most powerful DAW on iPad, way superior to ZenBeats…
Subscription or one-time-fee, it doesn’t matter if you wants the best on this platform…
But, if Daws were a religion…zenbeats is a false idol. LMAO
To quote Hulk “puny god”
here we are again … that “pro” term is back .. this is more “pro” that is less “pro” … 🫠
Does zenbeat have tempo track ?
Ima create and wear a DENDY FANBOY T-shirt….
I so need this
No. Patterns can have different time signatures, but that's it as far as I know.
Genuinely curious, do you have public Spotify, Soundcloud or similar?
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Of course i do, do you?
DAWs weren't a religion, but then Logic came. I hadn't seen that kind of fanboyism in the iPad world before. Got sick of the "THE FIRST REAL DAW ON IPAD" posts on Reddit, but looks like it hasn't been contained.
I don’t think Logic was the first real Daw on iPad. It’s the best…not the first.
Auria was the first full feature DAW, it was good, just hard to deal with and sketchy stability at times.
It was the Zenbeats is “the best DAW on IOS” that set me off…as it clearly is NOT by any stretch.
Somebody tell me how zenbeats competes with Logic? At all really…it’s a DAWmpler
What?? It's a full featured AUv3 host and has plenty of overlap with Logic Pro in terms of DAW capabilities (clip launcher, timeline, etc.). Of course, not as full featured as Logic Pro, but not the slouch you seem to think it is.
Someone here needs to take a comparative religions class before heading off to the missionary field.
So some folks love Zenbeats. Some use LP4i. I flip between NS2, Gadget, FLSM and AUM. Others prefer BM3 and CB3. Etc. We all have our own personal ways of working.
I admit I was excited for LP4i and still think it's an amazing piece of software Apple managed to squeeze onto the iPad. It's not my cup of tea for creating, but it's perfect for me personally for mastering EPs and recording vocals.
I've tried Zenbeats a couple years ago and it didn't click with me, but honestly I'm tempted to give it another go just to see if I can create something interesting in it, even if it's just simple Lofi. 😂🤣 That is if I remember to tomorrow morning after a cuppa.
And a final thought - not every claim made for or against an app has to be agreed with nor shot down. No need for the "DAW wars" here. Let's keep it chill. 😎✌️☮️
you are still failing to understand thst “best” is subjective thing based on subjective criteria… what is for one person “best daw ever” may be for other “unusable” just because of different expectations, different needs and different priorities.
we are different and there is no such thing as objective measurement of how “good” is some creative tool.
for me best DAW* is obvously NS2, but ZB is second alternative DAW* which still fits my needs ligyears better than logic.
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[*] please don’t drag me into aguing what is DAW and what isn’t .. for case of simplicity i call all of them DAW, like i call DAW also Gadget or i called DAW Reason always since it’s 1.0 version. I refuse to play game “this is not DAW cause it lacks festure XY”, and create artificial nonsense names,I don’t care i will keep calling them all DAWs, if other people need to create new type name for every app based on it’s feature set then ok, i accept that but i keep my right to ignore that.
Boring. 😜
+1 As long as a tool whatever it is, makes you productive and feel good about it, that's it. I personally went the LP4i way, at least for now. happy with my decision despite some cognitive dissonance due to subscription model and major companies allergy.
Is it really necessary to arrogantly thrash somebody else's opinion/taste/workflow when it comes to creative tools ?
What's the next step ? Crusade or suicide bombing in the Name of LP4i the Great, ZB the Merciful or CB3/NS2/AUM the Holy trinity ? Starting to get tired of all those threads ending up in sterile feud.
Can we keep this forum the warm and friendly place it has been for so many years ?
Ahhh
I have zenbeats, mostly because I own a fantom 6 and some other Roland items…. It’s essentially a VERY weak fantom with a set of rompler instruments, some weak synths, a sampler that looks like something from 1995, a player for Zenology synth called ZC1, that is missing most of the sounds from fantom, a weak drum machine…and some audio tracks. You are right it launches clips, and hosts auv3…but yea….I guess owning a fantom….I’m just not impressed at all to be honest. I’d use beatmaker3 over it any day. Zenbeats mostly gathers dust on my iPad, it never made it to my Mac. Maybe if they added Zenology as an IAP, and allowed it to use all the models I have in my fantom including VPiano, Virtual Tonewheel Organ (vk7), Jupiter 8, Juno 106, SH101, and the JP…all the SRX boards, supernatural sounds, and etc I’d be a little more likely to say it’s OK. You just have to understand where I am coming from I guess.
So to me very slouchy…sorry…it’s not that great IMHO
Well yeh, I don't bother much with the zenbeats synths. I only think of it as a DAW with a workflow that I like.