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This whole 'What is a DAW' discussion is starting to get really silly...
I mean NS2 can record audio to slate pads and arrange them on the time-line when needed by sequencing the 'pads/clips'...
...just because it doesn't have dedicated 'audio tracks on a time-line' doesn't mean it's not capable of editing and mangling audio-files and it excels in many other areas that the audio-tracks are minor omission as a whole unless one is purely looking for an 'audio recorder with a time-line'.
While Gadgets audio gadgets lack proper editing features they work quite well for adding vocals or acoustic recordings to a track and a natural work-around is to load the audio-recordings as samples into Bilbao and sequence them.
Almost every single 'DAW' on iOS lacks one or more very basic audio editing features, you know, fade in/out, normalize, reverse, split/join, process thru plug-ins, cut/copy/paste with replace & mix options, create a new file without freeze and/or re-recording etc. etc. etc. etc.
I get it that some have their favorite tools and may feel offended when their tools of choice are attacked and that's just 'self protection/preservation mechanism' to convince oneself that one has med the right decision with what ever tool they decided to use.
There will never be an app that fully covers everyones needs, that's a fact...
Both NS2 and Korg Gadget have one big common thing, it’s spelled “limitations”…
Yeah, we all know that NS2 can have this workarounds for slate on the timeline, but…
Pretty interesting when we compare ex Auria Pro versus Nanostudio 2, one of them was only Audio from the beginning and added MIDI several years later, and the other headed all the power to release a great MIDI “DAW” without Audiotracks…
The question is, has Auria Pro/NS2 any real future plans or are they just floating around and will disappear on Appstore in near future?
I'd rather say it has advantages. Gadget is incredibly fast and intuitive for iterating and actually being creative melodically because it's focusing on one thing and doing it really well.
If you want to talk limitations, then Logic for iPad is limited compared to its real namesake. It's also limited by the iPad's paltry memory and could never hope to compete with a real desktop workstation for sheer power and efficiency. Especially when dealing with audio files and huge sample libraries. Anything can be limited, depending on how you look at it. It's Logic in name only. Basically FL Mobile compared to FL Studio. Not even remotely close.
All apps have more or less limitations, It's all about how one handles those limitations
Sometimes less is more as it makes the choice of what to use easier.
Apart from the 'missing audio tracks'(which I seldom use anyway) there's noting I really 'miss' in NS2.
Sure things could have been done a bit differently when it comes to the actual sampling and sample management.
Gadget is pure fun to use once one gels with the way it rolls.
The other apps mentioned will likely fade away over time due to various reasons as no one codes for 'free forever'.
It's not sustainable...
(If I recall correctly both Auria Pro and NS2 are 'one person sweatshops' and there's plenty of other examples).
I'm quite sure Zenbeats will be around as long as Roland with their cloud services is around.
Steinberg will be pushing out Cubasis updates on a semi-regular basis.
Logic will get maybe 2-3 updates per year if we're lucky...
The other apps will 'hang in there' as long as they work but I doubt we'll see any major updates.
If we do it's most likely in a form of a new app using either subscription model or a bumped up price.
Time will tell where things go...
Precisely, all this, thanks.
yeah for sure .. like all other iOS DAWs .. in Logic my showstopper limitation is (for me) horrible UI - it limits my creativity at absolutely major level...
Yep - that’s the most important thing. I don’t have Logic yet - my current iPad is too old, but if the workflow is a non-workflow, then what”s the point? Right now, my favorite playgrounds are Loopy Pro, Drambo, NS2 and AUM. I could see finishing some tracks in Logic, but it sure looks fussy.
Apple’s new imacs only have 8gig of ram as well. You have to buy a “pro” computer now to do better. Thos start in the multi thousands. Smh.
The ipad pro m2 1tb and 2 tb are supposed to have 16gig ram. I bought one, we’ll see how that goes.> @ErrkaPetti said:
I dont think Auria Pro is getting updated much these days. I erased it long ago. I was not happy with buying all the fabfilter plugs for it…then later having to buy them again as auv3. If i would have waited it would have saved me quite a chunk of change.
Semantics. Is shooting a “film” on digital not a “film” because it doesn’t use actual “film”? Make a good movie and no one cares.
The term is DAW “Digital Audio Workstation” not DATW “Digital Audio Tracks Workstation.” The DAW concept was created before MIDI and after audio tracks on tape was the foundation of recording, but we shouldn’t be rigidly stuck to that concept. I remember editing audio tape with an exacto knife, but I don’t cling to that. A Folk singer/songwriter may just record to a 4 track tape deck - that is certainly audio track based. That Folk singer would likely think even the graceful UI of NS2 is way too much. ‘Oxygene’ was created with a simple tape deck, but for all our great DAW apps none of us are likely to acheive that level of success. Ever. Many of us don’t need traditional audio tracks, nor the headaches of hum, digital/analog converters, or any other outdated technological developments of the past.
It would be nice to see the “your DAW isn’t a real DAW because it doesn’t have audio tracks” argumnet fade away, but some people need a pet peeve I guess. Wanna create a new term? Groovebox is already taken, and for the record no Groovebox ever had as much awesomeness as NS2, but if that is how a person learned to create music, then a groovebox would be preferable and legit. How about DMW “Digital Music Workstation”? That leaves out the guys that do audio for film and televison I guess.
There are plenty of tools out there and one can use as many or few as suits them. Some tools are better for certain individuals and according to genre. I’d never use NS2 to record a live performance of an orchestra, but if I were composing for that orchestra I would absolutely use NS2, and I’d avoid LP like the plague.
Zenbeats has it’s uses, but it seems in concept like a scratch pad for Zenology, by design, not by fault. Of course Roland wants people to try Zenbeats and eventually buy Zenology and then buy a Fantom. Roland has a marketing dept. But Roland probably didn’t think there would be people who buy a Fantom and complain about Zenbeats, but these things are bound to happen it seems. If the OP loves Zenbeats and hates the oppressive clutter of LP, let him. No need to trash another person’s opinion. As a Roland hardware guy I’d hope to see another Roland hardware guy offer up a tip like “if you like Zenbeats, check out Zenology.” Offer a hand up to less experienced people, and pass on the courtesy that was doubtless shown to you at some point.
i think you pretty much nailed it here ! I believe this is exactly the case !
Joke's on them, I couldn't use a Fantom even if I wanted to. Plus desk space is limited. Guess I'll settle for Zenbeats and that's it (along with about a million plugs).
Being able to slave to external MIDI clock... oh wait
i would say MC101 id great companion to iPad runninh ZB
Especially if it was fully class-compliant and could stream all 5 parts (4 individual tracks + master) over USB straight into ZenBeats or any other DAW without needing special drivers
that would be nice but even now it is possible to record individual tracks into ZB in loop mode .. i can see how this workflow may work,sometimes i do same just with Digitone and Digitakt (build loops on Digitone and then record them to Digitakt)
I’m just glad Logic came out otherwise I would’ve missed this. With FF bundle, GF2, and all my instruments, I have ALL I need to mix, master and complete fully produced tracks without needing to send to desktop.
Yeah Roland is the king of releasing a half baked synth and then “completing” it via updates. I kinda hate that trend. I’m all for companies updating firmware for their hardware but it shouldn’t be that much needed features are added years after release. I’m only just now considering the 101 after they finally unlocked the full synth engine. I like it’s interface more than my old 707.
100%. Gadget is great but it’s definitely not a DAW. More like a groovebox with a DAW-like interface.
I thought it was class complaint? You can even update its firmware via iPad. Jakob Haq made a video on this.
Not sure about being able to stream all 5 parts though. You can sample into it from iPad via loops and drag and drop though!
It’s so funny when people try so hard to read into what you type they miss the reality. I said I have everything I need; that’s because A) I bought the mixing tools before I knew about zen beats (B) even if I didn’t, I like having the best possible, hence why I am glad I found zenbeats
By your argument, AEM and Auria pro were incomplete DAW because they offer tone booster or fab filter. The daws had all you needed, but that doesn’t mean there was a better plugin than built in, Logic included
That’s why plug-ins exist: so you can either find something that is easier for you to use or you get something you couldn’t find
In my case I don’t necessarily need them at all, but do I WANT them, yea, it makes mixing and mastering easier for someone who isn’t great with it
my point still stands ( Logic also would need the FF bundle in my case, as much as this would )
Like i said enjoy Whatever works for you, I’m just glad I found what works for me, finally : thanks to Logic for iPad
Not that I want to see you go but you should probably leave the forum now. I feel like I reached that "everything I need" state several years ago and now I have 10X everything I need thanks to this place...
Your right
That’s what I intend to do
I just thought I would post one last contribution now that I’m all set in case it might help someone
Glad you’re enjoying it and finding a good workflow that works for you! Zenbeats compressors and EQs actually aren’t bad either. I use them a decent amount.
Nay, do not so! If ye leave now without being converted ye shall die in thy sins and shalt be condemned to eternal torment in the abyss where there shall be neither Logic nor Pro and they shall condemned to inferior romplers forever. They shall cry out to pay their subscriptions but it shall be denied them!
Repent blasphemer! Do the works for which you were called. Return to Logic and spread the Good News! Seek out and convert the lost in every thread where the heathen dare to blaspheme The One DAW.
Thou hast been warned.
Ok, ok; For fear of such reprisal, I’ll stick around, but I promise, I won’t be buying anything (I’m so sure! Lol) except maybe a Logic sub
Beware. 'Tis not enough to simply pay the tithe subscription. Thou must forsake all other DAWs and confront the heathen wherever they may be found. Nay, do not confine thyself to only the Logic Pro category! Thou must scour the forum for lost souls deceived by apps that call themselves DAWs but are not. The path is wide but the gate is narrow. Woe be to those who fall by the wayside.
OK. yeh. Overdid that schtick a little bit. 🙄
Buh Bye!
😂😂😂😂 this is not far off from the line of thinking of some it seems.
Is it normal that auv3 plugin inside Zenbeats don't go full screen, even when i switch for 100% size auv3 window. It can t go full screen. Do i missing something ?
Like Koala or FACdrumkit neither pop up full screen.
As of now yes. Sizeable AUv3 function is in the backlog.
There is a major thread called Zenbeats 3 where a lot of info is shared, you might want to check in there🙌😁.
/DMfan🇸🇪