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Sooo, who else is not gonna get a new idevice before user-changeable battery support comes along?
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That’s an interesting design there with the LG phone. I also believe that Apple can come up with an easy to replace battery design if they really wanted to. I remember only unscrewing two screws on my iPhone 4s back then to access the inside.
Sorry, but i think this is really stupid law proposal … one of dumb EU laws (GDPR is another one, MICA is another one) … sometimes it feels like Brusel bureaucrats are really out of their minds, bored so they just develop any random nonsense just to show they are doing something for they gigantic paychecks.
it would lead to devices prices rise and i bet also physical size will be bigger … technically it would be also obstacle for water and moisture resistance.. it’s just very bad idea from technical point of view…
And i didn’t even mentioned that LiOn batteries are dangerous when their enclosure is broken - such thin removable battery will be wery easy to be broken (even intentionally to cause harm)
i hope apple finds way around this technical nonsense … life time of current batteries is MUCH longer than usability life time of devices in case it is used / charged properly - i have iPad Mini 1 which was heavily used through years, in terms of modern iOS and apps it is basically unusable but battery still holds up to 2 hours …
Classic EU bureaucrats - trying to solve problems which aren’t really problem (except of few rare cases), instead of concentrating of solving REAL issues of EU
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The battery of my iPad One (!) is still in pretty good shape... and I bet it‘s due to precise control of that specific type. Same with iPhone 3gs, 4, iPad 2.
Adding „random“ batteries will result in piles of trash only
If an iPad was good for making music ten years ago, then it is good for making music today. Even if you just use it as a hardware sequencer it's probably still better than any standalone sequencer on the market... and what hardware sequencers can you check your emails / read the news on?
The problems we are facing into as a species are bigger than the pleasure of using the newest apps on the sleekest devices. I applaud the EU for standing up to multinationals like apple. Reducing electronic waste is only a small step, but at least it is a step in the right direction.
If you would like an interesting read I suggest googling permacomputing.
What counts as 'used and charged properly' in your eyes Dendy, I'm curious?
In my experience it’s placing the phone charging just right so the dying cable connects proper. My iphone SE 1st gen already needs a cushion
Great news! Sustainable and more durable devices with better recycling are essential!
charge it most of time only at 80% and keep it discharge only bellow 20% and then charge it again to 80% .. once per month keep it discharge completely to the point where it turns off and then charge it to 100% ..
don’t take my words as 100% correct, google best pracrices how to charge devices with LiON batteries just in case i am wrong :-)) - but as far as i remember this should be best way how to keep LiON batter alive for longest possible time.
While they're at it, they could also require mandatory headphones jacks 😄
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Back in the days I had a Galaxy S5 with a replaceable battery and it was also water proof.
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Their is danger all around us. But most people act responsibly . If somebody wants to do arm they will find something.
I have a iPad Pro 2017. The processor is still very capable for my needs and still receiving update from Apple. But unfortunately the battery is dying. I am looking at buying a new one now, probably 2 years before I normally should. I am very careful with how I charge my battery but it's happening.
I am Canadien but I am always greatful to the EU for passing those kind of laws that north america would never act on.
well, i dislike this kind of law … there are good parrs ofnbeing member of EU, but there ale also bad ones ..
GDPR law - huge obstacle for EU companies who want to use US services like GPT API for processing of their customers data (even if it would be for purposes highly benefitial for their customers). Basically creatimg huge market disadvantage for EU companies and prevenring rhem from providing better services to their customers.
MICA law - huge obstacle for companies who want to do serious business with cryptocurrencies. Many it’s parts are totally outdated, written based on situation which was actual 10 years ago but now situation is completely different. Very bad law framework.
There is much more similiar examples .
The problem is that at some point (which we've already partially reached), those multinationals will just stop offering their services and products in the EU altogether because it's just too much hassle to them or not financially viable. What will the EU do then? Make a law that prohibits not selling stuff in the EU? 😄
(note that already many high-profile websites and e-shops etc. are blocking EU customers due to this GRPD* bullshit that @dendy mentioned, which btw also makes business extremely difficult for small and medium-sized businesses anyway. This trend is now getting worse fast with AI (aka The Future) stuff. For example, new ChatGPT features like custom commands are now simply not available in the EU, period.)
... * I know it's GDPR. I intentionally misspell it out of disrespect!
About 20% of the worlds GDP is in the EU... These companies care more about money than "innovation"
I am not too worried about Apple dropping out of the European market
I am talking about laws like the batteries law or standizing cable port. Right to repair and such. I have no ideas what those GDPR or MCU laws are about. We need to reduce this useless egarbage and overuse of rare earth mineral.
Their is companies like Framework who are producing user upgradable and repairable device. When the will is there it’s possible.
yes, small company with niche market size can afford this, cause it can live with just minimal profit .. not a big company, it may pretty much happen what @SevenSystems said - either they leave market OR rhey start produce special version for EU market, compliant to all EU nonsense law, and they reflect all costs into price - and people from EU will buy things directly US cause it will be just cheapier :-))
Btw Apple is liteeally buying back old devices for some symbolic price (at least in my country all authorized Apple resellers are ofgering buyback of your old, even broken, device and in exchange they provide discount for new one). They reuse those materials, they are also very much transparent with their high push to enviroment frienly regulations (unlike the Samsung and other Chinese companies) so in case of Apple there is really not need to be afraid of wasting of rare earth minerals a d other resources.
GDPR is for protecting the data of consumers, MiCA is an attempt to regulate cryptocurrencies and stop money laundering. If someone has an issue with how these have been implemented I can understand their position... But if they think that these regulations aren't necessary then they live on another planet.
I'd rather have private companies accessing my personal data than omnipotent unelected government-like entities detached from reality!
EDIT: Sorry I'm not that versed in politics. It seems like the European Parliament is actually democratically elected, so I'll take "unelected" back!
Agreed. The only convincing use that I have heard for cryptocurrency is for money laundering. All other reasons sound like vague uber-libertarian tech-bro bs.
As a matter of fact - not political debate -
bureaucrats at all levels of govt. enact what their politician bosses tell them,& the politicians then pass the law or regulation ;
so on both counts blame or praise EU elected/selected politicians - not bureaucrats .
I agree with the environmental principle of products being designed to have replaceable parts to extend their life ,
& it should be relatively affordable to do so-
I would also suggest phones & tablets should be wired in such a way that if the battery goes down , they can still function whilst plugged in .
when my Ipad Air4 battery went , I discovered it also wouldn't work plugged into the mains - I see no reason for this .
It could still have been a useful device tethered to the mains - & would also have allowed access to migrate some data to new device ,which I ended up buying because battery replacement was so relatively expensive ( Apple game plan worked)
I almost asked this after your first post but then you explained here. So that's your problem with GDPR? That the EU does not let American companies run wild with user data but keeps the users in control of what others do with their information? Your problem is not the cowboy behaviour but the regulation that keeps it in check?Seriously? I assumed you had a better argument, mate. 🙂
Also, basic worker's rights, minimum wages and respecting human rights in general etc. also result in market disadvantages, so you could dislike those as well following the same logic. 🙂
Thanks for the self-correction.
AFAIK, the mass use of this "unelected Brussels bureaucrats" BS originates with pro-brexit propaganda but it is surprisingly pervasive.
As for your preference of private companies accessing your data (and by the way, those companies are really unelected! 😉), that's absolutely compatible with GDPR. They just can't do it without asking you first and telling you how they would do it. What's your argument for that being a bad thing? Genuine question.
@ervin Sure they ask first but if you can't use essential services at all without agreeing, what choice do you really have?
@ervin
Here is my problem with GDPR.
imagine You are personal agency, your job is to pair together people who are searching job with companies who are searching employees.
People searching job are voluntarily added to your database (cause obviously they are searching job) , they send you PDF file with their CV, and they actually GIVE your GDPR consent to use all that data for purpose of finding job for them.
Now, you realise thanjs to GPT you can make this whole process MUCH more efficient by automatically analysing their PDFs and pairing them with, for them ideal, free work positions in your database.
Something which you are doing manually, now you can automate it, so whole process will be faster, more efficient, means you manage to find jobs for much more people in same time.
Except that. You can’t. You can’t, cause GPT servers are running ourside of EU , so it is agains GDPR. Even through your intention is to do something which will be nefitial literally to all participants, and all parricipants gave you GDPR consent.
But you can’t. You are forced to stay with old manual process from 20st century.
That’s one particular use case where GDPR legislative is literally obstacle for technological progress.
well, as self-employed person yes, i don’t like minimum wage, especially for small companies, family businesses, with just few emoloyes it is big problem, it can cause problems when it is raised with arbitrary random logic by politicians, mostly always before elections.
But this is another topic for long discussion…
@dendy how do you feel about roads?
not getting the point .. how it is related to anything we discussed here ??
@dendy libertarians often struggle with the idea of roads.
On your two points above (the lazy recruiter, the business owner whose profit margins are eaten into by their workers need to pay rent and eat): why is your convenience more important than the rights of the majority of EU citizens?
Why is you having a sleeker tablet more important than avoiding catastrophic climate crisis?
What in your mind are "the REAL problems of the EU" that you mention in your first post?
still failing to understand how it is related to anything we discussed here ..
just FYI i pay all taxes (and they aren’t small where i live), including social insurance (even through i think it’s biggest scam ever created) and health insurance. As soon as i use advantages provided by state (including roads) i found paying taxes fair. No problem for me here.
lazy recruiter ?? really ???
ooh my god, i’m too old for this shit, bye
I think you will find the ‘unelected Brussels bureaucrats’ bullshit refers to the 27 member appointed European Commision and its 32,000 civil servants. Rather than the European Parliament.
@dendy
All of these new rules make the EU less competitive and favor larger companies, which are able to comply with costly restrictions. It'll result in fewer competitors and higher prices for everyone there... something I'm sure the people there will love considering the current economic shakiness (the Euro has lost 6+% of its value over the last 5 years versus the Dollar... and the Dollar is itself in trouble due to rampant and uncontrolled spending by the US government).
Whenever we see governments setting new rules which make no sense and harm consumers by raising prices, follow the money and ask yourself who benefits.