Sooo, who else is not gonna get a new idevice before user-changeable battery support comes along?

AlmostAnonymous

But batteries are self serviceable.
(Having replaced literally hundreds in my life, I can’t see why anyone would wanna do it themselves when it’s like 49$ for apple to do it. Spend the extra 20$ and save yourself the headache)

dendy

@AlmostAnonymous said:
But batteries are self serviceable.
(Having replaced literally hundreds in my life, I can’t see why anyone would wanna do it themselves when it’s like 49$ for apple to do it. Spend the extra 20$ and save yourself the headache)

This !

purpan2

@dendy said:

@purpan2 said:
It seems it’s not just the EU, but anywhere there are rules the tech companies don’t like. Here they are threatening to leave the UK…
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-66304002

Let’s look more in detail why:

“ One clause that has proved particularly controversial is a proposal that encrypted messages, which includes those sent on WhatsApp, can be read and handed over to law enforcement by the platforms they are sent on, if there is deemed to be a national security or child protection risk.”

Well, so big brother wants to spy on citisens even more, to have total controll what people think. Reasoning behing such moves is really just “blah blah” - real motivation is just to have total control over popularion. CDBC’s are anothe tool for that. 1984 in making.

I really don't think our present governmenrs are capable of having total control over the population. They're so incompetent I doubt they have total control of their bodily functions.

Krupa

@dendy said:

@AlmostAnonymous said:
But batteries are self serviceable.
(Having replaced literally hundreds in my life, I can’t see why anyone would wanna do it themselves when it’s like 49$ for apple to do it. Spend the extra 20$ and save yourself the headache)

This !

That’s less than half the estimated cost on the Apple site in the UK, £69 for my iPhone 7 £89 for a 13…

dendy

@purpan2 said:

@dendy said:

@purpan2 said:
It seems it’s not just the EU, but anywhere there are rules the tech companies don’t like. Here they are threatening to leave the UK…
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-66304002

Let’s look more in detail why:

“ One clause that has proved particularly controversial is a proposal that encrypted messages, which includes those sent on WhatsApp, can be read and handed over to law enforcement by the platforms they are sent on, if there is deemed to be a national security or child protection risk.”

Well, so big brother wants to spy on citisens even more, to have total controll what people think. Reasoning behing such moves is really just “blah blah” - real motivation is just to have total control over popularion. CDBC’s are anothe tool for that. 1984 in making.

I really don't think our present governmenrs ate capable of having total control over the population. They're so incompetent I doubt they have total control of their bodily functions.

All they need is absolute control over communicatiom (which they want achieve throughbsupressing encrypted communication tools) and money (they already have a huge comtrol over money but with CDBS they power will be absolute)

Governments as such may be incompetent now, but such huge power legally in hands of poluricians is huge risk for case when somebody with bad intentions gets power .. the fact that current government is harmless (questionnable) doesn’t mean in next 10 years there will be not thenone much much worse .. Always when we consider how much power we should give to government, we must count with worst possible scenario of WHO whill be in charge.

Also there are well known cases of information leaks from incompetent sate entitis where people’s personal data gathered by gov leaked to dark web.

Less power in hands of gov (no matter if competent or incompetent) is better

Gavinski

@RajahP said:

@ehehehe said:
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20230609IPR96210/making-batteries-more-sustainable-more-durable-and-better-performing

I am! This seems like good news. Current designs like the one below looks like the charging/everything port could also be replaced. That means most parts that break (except for buttons) could be replaced. Maybe even third parties will bring back the minijack or even more ports? Give me a thicc, chunky, solid ipad, i am strong enough to hold it. Hate the square pro/air design, it feels soo flimsy compared to the old "rounded" design related to bending, and also more prone to breaking from falls. And screen edges are there to be hold, i don't wanna smudge my screen more just because of aestethics.

They will of course find another way to bleed us customers in the end, but with ipads now mostly having a lifespan of five or more years, this could still be really good.

Nice.. don’t know why they won’t allow memory upgrade also.. for idevices..

Exactly. They should. The impact on the environment and many other aspects of life from people changing smartphones or tablets etc regularly is really pretty appalling.

AlmostAnonymous

@Krupa heres your UK store….
https://selfservicerepair.eu/en-GB/home

Gavinski

@dendy said:

@purpan2 said:

@dendy said:

@purpan2 said:
It seems it’s not just the EU, but anywhere there are rules the tech companies don’t like. Here they are threatening to leave the UK…
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-66304002

Let’s look more in detail why:

“ One clause that has proved particularly controversial is a proposal that encrypted messages, which includes those sent on WhatsApp, can be read and handed over to law enforcement by the platforms they are sent on, if there is deemed to be a national security or child protection risk.”

Well, so big brother wants to spy on citisens even more, to have total controll what people think. Reasoning behing such moves is really just “blah blah” - real motivation is just to have total control over popularion. CDBC’s are anothe tool for that. 1984 in making.

I really don't think our present governmenrs ate capable of having total control over the population. They're so incompetent I doubt they have total control of their bodily functions.

All they need is absolute control over communicatiom (which they want achieve throughbsupressing encrypted communication tools) and money (they already have a huge comtrol over money but with CDBS they power will be absolute)

Governments as such may be incompetent now, but such huge power legally in hands of poluricians is huge risk for case when somebody with bad intentions gets power .. the fact that current government is harmless (questionnable) doesn’t mean in next 10 years there will be not thenone much much worse .. Always when we consider how much power we should give to government, we must count with worst possible scenario of WHO whill be in charge.

Also there are well known cases of information leaks from incompetent sate entitis where people’s personal data gathered by gov leaked to dark web.

Less power in hands of gov (no matter if competent or incompetent) is better

Maybe have a read of Plato 'The Republic'. There are huge problems with modern democracy. Many, or even most, people, are often not qualified to make wise decisions regarding their own wellbeing never mind that of others. And tech and other large corporations have huge amounts of power and leverage. The idea that people vote or purchase freely and wisely is highly debatable.

Krupa

@AlmostAnonymous said:
@Krupa heres your UK store….
https://selfservicerepair.eu/en-GB/home

But you said it was $49 for Apple to do it 😅

AlmostAnonymous

@Krupa said:

@AlmostAnonymous said:
@Krupa heres your UK store….
https://selfservicerepair.eu/en-GB/home

But you said it was $49 for Apple to do it 😅

I didn’t know the UK works in $ and I also can’t help what Nigel did to your economy…..

Krupa

@AlmostAnonymous said:

@Krupa said:

@AlmostAnonymous said:
@Krupa heres your UK store….
https://selfservicerepair.eu/en-GB/home

But you said it was $49 for Apple to do it 😅

I didn’t know the UK works in $ and I also can’t help what Nigel did to your economy…..

Fair play, nor can I sadly 😂

Apple gear is generally more in pounds than it is in dollars these days, despite the dollar being relatively low compared to the last few years… anyone who buys gear regularly quickly gets an idea of the international market cost of things, maybe not in the U.S. but definitely here in the UK…

AlmostAnonymous

And that 69/89 was a price hike acrosss the board this past January for everyone apparently….including US
Still doesn’t change the fact it’s still a pain in the d*** to do.
iPad battery replacements through apple are even better. They don’t replace it, they just give you another iPad of the same model, free of scratch’s, dings, etc…..

ervin

@dendy said:

soluion would optionality… one model which complies with this nonsense, with higher price to cover all additional expenses, other model classic with fixed battery like now.

I’ll be glad to pick the one with fixed battery from all reason mentioned above + more. Who wants possibility to replace battery, can pay more for this privilege.. Problem solved.

when you make law to achieve a goal, it is rather counter-productive to leave economic advantage in the hands of those who wish to go on breaking that law 🤷

Also, your logic could be applied equally to products made with our without child labour - child labour is cheap and can lead to economic advantage. But I'm guessing you probably are against it, even if it makes for cheaper products, because you find the idea of child labour abhorrent, right? So you are probably happy with the law making things more expensive in that case.

Gavinski

@Krupa said:

@AlmostAnonymous said:

@Krupa said:

@AlmostAnonymous said:
@Krupa heres your UK store….
https://selfservicerepair.eu/en-GB/home

But you said it was $49 for Apple to do it 😅

I didn’t know the UK works in $ and I also can’t help what Nigel did to your economy…..

Fair play, nor can I sadly 😂

Apple gear is generally more in pounds than it is in dollars these days, despite the dollar being relatively low compared to the last few years… anyone who buys gear regularly quickly gets an idea of the international market cost of things, maybe not in the U.S. but definitely here in the UK…

Same... It's about 7 rmb to one dollar but everything apple in China is 40 or 50% more expensive than in the US. Plus people earn a lot less. If you live and work in say, San Fran, you might think nothing of blowing 100 bucks on a date night. In some countries entire families are living off that for a month. In many places it's about a week's wages

Krupa

What about replaceable batteries for pencils, I’d kill to have like six and a little charging bank so I could just keep drawing forever…

tahiche

Seems to me like when it comes to state or government intervention it’s all about “this is gonna crash the market, communism, poverty…” with no real background, just catastrophic predictions. They raised minimal wage in Spain recently amongst the usual “unemployment is gonna skyrocket”, yet we currently have the lowest unemployment % in decades.

We have a good example here. Which one is it?.

A) These rules favor small companies…

@dendy said:

Their is companies like Framework

yes, small company with niche market size can afford this, cause it can live with just minimal profit .. not a big company, it may pretty much happen what @SevenSystems said - either they leave market OR rhey start produce special version for EU market, compliant to all EU nonsense law, and they reflect all costs into price - and people from EU will buy things directly US cause it will be just cheapier :-))

Btw Apple is liteeally buying back old devices for some symbolic price (at least in my country all authorized Apple resellers are ofgering buyback of your old, even broken, device and in exchange they provide discount for new one). They reuse those materials, they are also very much transparent with their high push to enviroment frienly regulations (unlike the Samsung and other Chinese companies) so in case of Apple there is really not need to be afraid of wasting of rare earth minerals a d other resources.

B)These rules favor large companies…

@NeuM said:
All of these new rules make the EU less competitive and favor larger companies, which are able to comply with costly restrictions. It'll result in fewer competitors and higher prices for everyone there... something I'm sure the people there will love considering the current economic shakiness (the Euro has lost 6+% of its value over the last 5 years versus the Dollar... and the Dollar is itself in trouble due to rampant and uncontrolled spending by the US government).

Whenever we see governments setting new rules which make no sense and harm consumers by raising prices, follow the money and ask yourself who benefits.

rvr

Wow !!! Ressspeect EU parl. now waiting for obligatory return of 3,5 port 😃

NeuM

@tahiche said:
Seems to me like when it comes to state or government intervention it’s all about “this is gonna crash the market, communism, poverty…” with no real background, just catastrophic predictions. They raised minimal wage in Spain recently amongst the usual “unemployment is gonna skyrocket”, yet we currently have the lowest unemployment % in decades.

We have a good example here. Which one is it?.

A) These rules favor small companies…

@dendy said:

Their is companies like Framework

yes, small company with niche market size can afford this, cause it can live with just minimal profit .. not a big company, it may pretty much happen what @SevenSystems said - either they leave market OR rhey start produce special version for EU market, compliant to all EU nonsense law, and they reflect all costs into price - and people from EU will buy things directly US cause it will be just cheapier :-))

Btw Apple is liteeally buying back old devices for some symbolic price (at least in my country all authorized Apple resellers are ofgering buyback of your old, even broken, device and in exchange they provide discount for new one). They reuse those materials, they are also very much transparent with their high push to enviroment frienly regulations (unlike the Samsung and other Chinese companies) so in case of Apple there is really not need to be afraid of wasting of rare earth minerals a d other resources.

B)These rules favor large companies…

@NeuM said:
All of these new rules make the EU less competitive and favor larger companies, which are able to comply with costly restrictions. It'll result in fewer competitors and higher prices for everyone there... something I'm sure the people there will love considering the current economic shakiness (the Euro has lost 6+% of its value over the last 5 years versus the Dollar... and the Dollar is itself in trouble due to rampant and uncontrolled spending by the US government).

Whenever we see governments setting new rules which make no sense and harm consumers by raising prices, follow the money and ask yourself who benefits.

I know these conversations are verboten and likely to be deleted, so I'll just toss in a little demographic reality to balance what you've noted above. Employment among the working-age population (not just in one country by the way, but globally) is high because there is a global shortage of workers. This is just a demographic fact today. After WWII, populations exploded in response to the end of the war and the younger generation today is numerically much smaller than the so-called Baby Boomer population. This is how you have low unemployment, despite outrageous salaries being paid to unskilled workers.

happybear190

@NeuM said:
despite outrageous salaries being paid to unskilled workers.

Are you referring to the minimum wage? In Spain that €8.45 an hour before tax.

Gavinski

There are a lot of people in the UK now working full time but still needing to resort to food banks from time to time, go without heat etc. I don't see much sign of 'ridiculous' salaries for unskilled workers. Ridiculous bonuses for execs, yes, very much so.

tahiche

@NeuM said:
despite outrageous salaries being paid to unskilled workers

This is not only a lie, but plain wrong on every level. I don’t know what kind of society you strive for, i definately wouldn’t want to be a part of it.

ecou

@Krupa said:

@AlmostAnonymous said:
@Krupa heres your UK store….
https://selfservicerepair.eu/en-GB/home

But you said it was $49 for Apple to do it 😅

The current price to replace a iPhone 6 battery in the US is 69$. In the UK it is £ 69 for a iPhone 7. They dont work on 6 in the UK.

dendy

@tahiche said:
Seems to me like when it comes to state or government intervention it’s all about “this is gonna crash the market, communism, poverty…” with no real background, just catastrophic predictions. They raised minimal wage in Spain recently amongst the usual “unemployment is gonna skyrocket”, yet we currently have the lowest unemployment % in decades.

How big was increase or decrease of lowest sallar jobs ? Are there any official stats ? I mean, what part of employment grow is fueled by higher sallar positions and what by lowest sallary positions ?

It’s people with lowest sallary who are in biggest risk of loosing jobs as result of increasws in minimal wage .. i literally know guy with small family company who had 10 empoloyees working for approx min. wage and agter some increases (increase of MW goes hand in had with increase of other parts like social insurance and health insurance part which pays employer) - he was forced to reduce it to 8 .. so, direct result of min wage increase was:

• 20% people lost job
• 80% people must work more for same sallary.

He is good guy and was trying hard to not do it, but he had no choice. I am pretty sure he is not exception.

In my country numbers of growth of employment in segment of high qualified jobs is waaay bigger than average employment growth - which means there must be some caregories where numbers are going down - wouldn’t be surpriswd if that are lowes payment grades at then level of minimal wage.

happybear190

@tahiche said:

@NeuM said:
despite outrageous salaries being paid to unskilled workers

This is not only a lie, but plain wrong on every level. I don’t know what kind of society you strive for, i definately wouldn’t want to be a part of it.

Sums up my feelings perfectly.

A question to those against government regulations to protect the environment: Do you believe in global warming at all? If you do then how would a world run by businesses possibly cope with this problem?

This isn't just about batteries, it is about not scrapping perfectly good CPUs .The carbon footprint of these is astronomical and not something that can be offset by recycling the raw materials. Fabbing/etching these CPUs is an incredibly resource-heavy process.

purpan2

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Carnbot

The whole idea of having to send your device away to get the battery changed is not progress. And yes it's also terrible for the environment. We don't need thinner devices but more sustainable practices. Everyone has just got so used to being wasteful.

Yeah, it's a good thing replaceable batteries are "coming back". But they never went away from pro devices. Imagine buying a pro camera which had a built in battery you couldn't replace or swap out at an important time. One good thing about the EU law is that it could create actual "pro" Ipads

ervin

@tahiche said:
Seems to me like when it comes to state or government intervention it’s all about “this is gonna crash the market, communism, poverty…” with no real background, just catastrophic predictions.

Absolutely. A couple of us here are old enough to remember what The Business said when the EU decided to ban mobile roaming charges: "politicians have no idea what they are doing / this will kill mobile communications in Europe / it's a horrible competitive disadvantage / companies will simply leave the single market", etc.

And what happened when the EU actually did it? NOTHING. The cost of using your phone in another EU country went down dramatically for users, and The Business never said another word about it*. Their posturing was all lies, nothing else.

A similar non-tragedy happened with intra-EU bank transfers, and now the same panicky predictions go around regarding unified usb-c charging or AI services. Make your own conclusions.

* The one exception: following the UK's departure from the single market, UK mobile companies reintroduced EU roaming charges for their customers

AlmostAnonymous

@ecou said:

@Krupa said:

@AlmostAnonymous said:
@Krupa heres your UK store….
https://selfservicerepair.eu/en-GB/home

But you said it was $49 for Apple to do it 😅

The current price to replace a iPhone 6 battery in the US is 69$. In the UK it is £ 69 for a iPhone 7. They dont work on 6 in the UK.

That’s but I already clarified that.

NeuM

@tahiche said:

@NeuM said:
despite outrageous salaries being paid to unskilled workers

This is not only a lie, but plain wrong on every level. I don’t know what kind of society you strive for, i definately wouldn’t want to be a part of it.

You calling me a liar? I don't know where you live, but they're hiring people right out of college with no experience or minimal experience (two years) for salaries around $65,000-$100,000 (and up!) in California. A worker with no work experience is unskilled. A person with two years experience is not a "seasoned professional". That would be someone with 10 years experience or more, as far as I'm concerned.

NeuM

@dendy said:

@tahiche said:
Seems to me like when it comes to state or government intervention it’s all about “this is gonna crash the market, communism, poverty…” with no real background, just catastrophic predictions. They raised minimal wage in Spain recently amongst the usual “unemployment is gonna skyrocket”, yet we currently have the lowest unemployment % in decades.

How big was increase or decrease of lowest sallar jobs ? Are there any official stats ? I mean, what part of employment grow is fueled by higher sallar positions and what by lowest sallary positions ?

It’s people with lowest sallary who are in biggest risk of loosing jobs as result of increasws in minimal wage .. i literally know guy with small family company who had 10 empoloyees working for approx min. wage and agter some increases (increase of MW goes hand in had with increase of other parts like social insurance and health insurance part which pays employer) - he was forced to reduce it to 8 .. so, direct result of min wage increase was:

• 20% people lost job
• 80% people must work more for same sallary.

He is good guy and was trying hard to not do it, but he had no choice. I am pretty sure he is not exception.

In my country numbers of growth of employment in segment of high qualified jobs is waaay bigger than average employment growth - which means there must be some caregories where numbers are going down - wouldn’t be surpriswd if that are lowes payment grades at then level of minimal wage.

Running a business is about managing risk and making sure you're not paying too much for those things which are essential to the business. Profits and losses. Anything else is just noise. Minimum wages should be eliminated. Unskilled workers may find it nearly impossible to get on-the-job experience in many places because they'll be priced out of the market. When workers turn out to be more costly than automation, automation gets the job.