Sooo, who else is not gonna get a new idevice before user-changeable battery support comes along?

NeuM

@happybear190 said:

@tahiche said:

@NeuM said:
despite outrageous salaries being paid to unskilled workers

This is not only a lie, but plain wrong on every level. I don’t know what kind of society you strive for, i definately wouldn’t want to be a part of it.

Sums up my feelings perfectly.

A question to those against government regulations to protect the environment: Do you believe in global warming at all? If you do then how would a world run by businesses possibly cope with this problem?

This isn't just about batteries, it is about not scrapping perfectly good CPUs .The carbon footprint of these is astronomical and not something that can be offset by recycling the raw materials. Fabbing/etching these CPUs is an incredibly resource-heavy process.

Would you be surprised to learn that the largest polluter in the world is China? And they don't follow the regulations of the US or the EU in their country. Even if you somehow eliminated all pollution in the EU and US it would barely make a dent compared to China.

purpan2

@NeuM said:

@happybear190 said:

@tahiche said:

@NeuM said:
despite outrageous salaries being paid to unskilled workers

This is not only a lie, but plain wrong on every level. I don’t know what kind of society you strive for, i definately wouldn’t want to be a part of it.

Sums up my feelings perfectly.

A question to those against government regulations to protect the environment: Do you believe in global warming at all? If you do then how would a world run by businesses possibly cope with this problem?

This isn't just about batteries, it is about not scrapping perfectly good CPUs .The carbon footprint of these is astronomical and not something that can be offset by recycling the raw materials. Fabbing/etching these CPUs is an incredibly resource-heavy process.

Would you be surprised to learn that the largest polluter in the world is China? And they don't follow the regulations of the US or the EU in their country. Even if you somehow eliminated all pollution in the EU and US it would barely make a dent compared to China.

So it’s ok to be bad if someone else is worse?

NeuM

@purpan2 said:

@NeuM said:

@happybear190 said:

@tahiche said:

@NeuM said:
despite outrageous salaries being paid to unskilled workers

This is not only a lie, but plain wrong on every level. I don’t know what kind of society you strive for, i definately wouldn’t want to be a part of it.

Sums up my feelings perfectly.

A question to those against government regulations to protect the environment: Do you believe in global warming at all? If you do then how would a world run by businesses possibly cope with this problem?

This isn't just about batteries, it is about not scrapping perfectly good CPUs .The carbon footprint of these is astronomical and not something that can be offset by recycling the raw materials. Fabbing/etching these CPUs is an incredibly resource-heavy process.

Would you be surprised to learn that the largest polluter in the world is China? And they don't follow the regulations of the US or the EU in their country. Even if you somehow eliminated all pollution in the EU and US it would barely make a dent compared to China.

So it’s ok to be bad if someone else is worse?

Except the US and the EU aren’t the ones who are doing “bad”. The point is the EU and US become less competitive and China remains competitive AND they continue trashing the environment.

Anyway, none of this will be solved here. Let’s drop this line of discussion and get back to the music stuff.

purpan2

@NeuM said:

@purpan2 said:

@NeuM said:

@happybear190 said:

@tahiche said:

@NeuM said:
despite outrageous salaries being paid to unskilled workers

This is not only a lie, but plain wrong on every level. I don’t know what kind of society you strive for, i definately wouldn’t want to be a part of it.

Sums up my feelings perfectly.

A question to those against government regulations to protect the environment: Do you believe in global warming at all? If you do then how would a world run by businesses possibly cope with this problem?

This isn't just about batteries, it is about not scrapping perfectly good CPUs .The carbon footprint of these is astronomical and not something that can be offset by recycling the raw materials. Fabbing/etching these CPUs is an incredibly resource-heavy process.

Would you be surprised to learn that the largest polluter in the world is China? And they don't follow the regulations of the US or the EU in their country. Even if you somehow eliminated all pollution in the EU and US it would barely make a dent compared to China.

So it’s ok to be bad if someone else is worse?

Except the US and the EU aren’t the ones who are doing “bad”. The point is the EU and US become less competitive and China remains competitive AND they continue trashing the environment.

Anyway, none of this will be solved here. Let’s drop this line of discussion and get back to the music stuff.

Agreed. 👍

happybear190

@NeuM said:

@happybear190 said:

@tahiche said:

@NeuM said:
despite outrageous salaries being paid to unskilled workers

This is not only a lie, but plain wrong on every level. I don’t know what kind of society you strive for, i definately wouldn’t want to be a part of it.

Sums up my feelings perfectly.

A question to those against government regulations to protect the environment: Do you believe in global warming at all? If you do then how would a world run by businesses possibly cope with this problem?

This isn't just about batteries, it is about not scrapping perfectly good CPUs .The carbon footprint of these is astronomical and not something that can be offset by recycling the raw materials. Fabbing/etching these CPUs is an incredibly resource-heavy process.

Would you be surprised to learn that the largest polluter in the world is China? And they don't follow the regulations of the US or the EU in their country. Even if you somehow eliminated all pollution in the EU and US it would barely make a dent compared to China.

China does emit twice as much carbon as the US, but also has 4 times the population. So per capita that's half of what the US does.

Ignoring that, can I summarise your position as:

Global warming is real and nothing can be done about it so we should live like its the last days of Rome (while saying it's someone else's fault)

NeuM

@happybear190 said:

@NeuM said:

@happybear190 said:

@tahiche said:

@NeuM said:
despite outrageous salaries being paid to unskilled workers

This is not only a lie, but plain wrong on every level. I don’t know what kind of society you strive for, i definately wouldn’t want to be a part of it.

Sums up my feelings perfectly.

A question to those against government regulations to protect the environment: Do you believe in global warming at all? If you do then how would a world run by businesses possibly cope with this problem?

This isn't just about batteries, it is about not scrapping perfectly good CPUs .The carbon footprint of these is astronomical and not something that can be offset by recycling the raw materials. Fabbing/etching these CPUs is an incredibly resource-heavy process.

Would you be surprised to learn that the largest polluter in the world is China? And they don't follow the regulations of the US or the EU in their country. Even if you somehow eliminated all pollution in the EU and US it would barely make a dent compared to China.

China does emit twice as much carbon as the US, but also has 4 times the population. So per capita that's half of what the US does.

Ignoring that, can I summarise your position as:

Global warming is real and nothing can be done about it so we should live like its the last days of Rome (while saying it's someone else's fault)

Why are you continuing this argument? It’s over. Move on.

Gavinski

@NeuM said:

@happybear190 said:

@tahiche said:

@NeuM said:
despite outrageous salaries being paid to unskilled workers

This is not only a lie, but plain wrong on every level. I don’t know what kind of society you strive for, i definately wouldn’t want to be a part of it.

Sums up my feelings perfectly.

A question to those against government regulations to protect the environment: Do you believe in global warming at all? If you do then how would a world run by businesses possibly cope with this problem?

This isn't just about batteries, it is about not scrapping perfectly good CPUs .The carbon footprint of these is astronomical and not something that can be offset by recycling the raw materials. Fabbing/etching these CPUs is an incredibly resource-heavy process.

Would you be surprised to learn that the largest polluter in the world is China? And they don't follow the regulations of the US or the EU in their country. Even if you somehow eliminated all pollution in the EU and US it would barely make a dent compared to China.

Well, it is also massively larger in terms of population than the US. Plus, basically western companies are outsourcing their production to China - that's a major factor too in terms of pollution. 'Not in our backyard but fine in someone else's'. That said, the Chinese govt definitely needs to step up its game in regards to the environment. They've been prioritising the economy at the expense of the environment.

As does almost every country, despite the fact that global heating is basically the only thing you read about in the papers that really matters, the rest is noise, in comparison

Gavinski

But yeah, let's move on... Otherwise this thread will just get shut down, and we've all been through this before ad nauseum in other threads

happybear190

@NeuM

For me there is no "getting back to music stuff" with people who don't believe in a minimum wage, or who think shiny new things are more important than the climate crisis.

You are taking an opportunity to drop out because you can't back up your positions.

Krupa

Also, if anyone has any links to $60k unskilled jobs in sweet California, do let me know on the down low, I’ve always dreamed of living there 😄

Gavinski

@happybear190 said:
@NeuM

For me there is no "getting back to music stuff" with people who don't believe in a minimum wage, or who think shiny new things are more important than the climate crisis.

You are taking an opportunity to drop out because you can't back up your positions.

True, and that's a very common pattern

NeuM

@happybear190 said:
@NeuM

For me there is no "getting back to music stuff" with people who don't believe in a minimum wage, or who think shiny new things are more important than the climate crisis.

You are taking an opportunity to drop out because you can't back up your positions.

https://c.tenor.com/4N4pCK0IX18AAAAC/mark-wahlberg-stop-it.gif

NeuM

@Krupa said:
Also, if anyone has any links to $60k unskilled jobs in sweet California, do let me know on the down low, I’ve always dreamed of living there 😄

I don’t recommend moving here because of the mismanagement of the state and drastically increased crime, but you can do your own job searches on http://www.indeed.com.

Gavinski

@NeuM said:

@tahiche said:

@NeuM said:
despite outrageous salaries being paid to unskilled workers

This is not only a lie, but plain wrong on every level. I don’t know what kind of society you strive for, i definately wouldn’t want to be a part of it.

You calling me a liar? I don't know where you live, but they're hiring people right out of college with no experience or minimal experience (two years) for salaries around $65,000-$100,000 (and up!) in California. A worker with no work experience is unskilled. A person with two years experience is not a "seasoned professional". That would be someone with 10 years experience or more, as far as I'm concerned.

A university graduate without experience is not the definition of unskilled worker btw. Not By a long shot

Gavinski

@Gavinski said:

@NeuM said:

@tahiche said:

@NeuM said:
despite outrageous salaries being paid to unskilled workers

This is not only a lie, but plain wrong on every level. I don’t know what kind of society you strive for, i definately wouldn’t want to be a part of it.

You calling me a liar? I don't know where you live, but they're hiring people right out of college with no experience or minimal experience (two years) for salaries around $65,000-$100,000 (and up!) in California. A worker with no work experience is unskilled. A person with two years experience is not a "seasoned professional". That would be someone with 10 years experience or more, as far as I'm concerned.

A university graduate without experience is not the definition of unskilled worker btw. Not By a long shot

One definition, you can find many similar ones

Krupa

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:
Also, if anyone has any links to $60k unskilled jobs in sweet California, do let me know on the down low, I’ve always dreamed of living there 😄

I don’t recommend moving here because of the mismanagement of the state and drastically increased crime, but you can do your own job searches on http://www.indeed.com.

Just looking for actual proof rather than hearsay 🤙

NeuM

@Gavinski said:

@NeuM said:

@tahiche said:

@NeuM said:
despite outrageous salaries being paid to unskilled workers

This is not only a lie, but plain wrong on every level. I don’t know what kind of society you strive for, i definately wouldn’t want to be a part of it.

You calling me a liar? I don't know where you live, but they're hiring people right out of college with no experience or minimal experience (two years) for salaries around $65,000-$100,000 (and up!) in California. A worker with no work experience is unskilled. A person with two years experience is not a "seasoned professional". That would be someone with 10 years experience or more, as far as I'm concerned.

A university graduate without experience is not the definition of unskilled worker btw. Not By a long shot

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unskilled labor

That is incorrect.

NeuM

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:
Also, if anyone has any links to $60k unskilled jobs in sweet California, do let me know on the down low, I’ve always dreamed of living there 😄

I don’t recommend moving here because of the mismanagement of the state and drastically increased crime, but you can do your own job searches on http://www.indeed.com.

Just looking for actual proof rather than hearsay 🤙

Feel free. I’ve provided the link.

Gavinski

@NeuM said:

@Gavinski said:

@NeuM said:

@tahiche said:

@NeuM said:
despite outrageous salaries being paid to unskilled workers

This is not only a lie, but plain wrong on every level. I don’t know what kind of society you strive for, i definately wouldn’t want to be a part of it.

You calling me a liar? I don't know where you live, but they're hiring people right out of college with no experience or minimal experience (two years) for salaries around $65,000-$100,000 (and up!) in California. A worker with no work experience is unskilled. A person with two years experience is not a "seasoned professional". That would be someone with 10 years experience or more, as far as I'm concerned.

A university graduate without experience is not the definition of unskilled worker btw. Not By a long shot

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unskilled labor

That is incorrect.

We can make a poll about it if you insist. I think for most it is not a controversial term, and is generally well understood

NeuM

@Gavinski said:

@NeuM said:

@Gavinski said:

@NeuM said:

@tahiche said:

@NeuM said:
despite outrageous salaries being paid to unskilled workers

This is not only a lie, but plain wrong on every level. I don’t know what kind of society you strive for, i definately wouldn’t want to be a part of it.

You calling me a liar? I don't know where you live, but they're hiring people right out of college with no experience or minimal experience (two years) for salaries around $65,000-$100,000 (and up!) in California. A worker with no work experience is unskilled. A person with two years experience is not a "seasoned professional". That would be someone with 10 years experience or more, as far as I'm concerned.

A university graduate without experience is not the definition of unskilled worker btw. Not By a long shot

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unskilled labor

That is incorrect.

We can make a poll about it if you insist. I think for most it is not a controversial term, and is generally well understood

Either the definition matters or it doesn’t.

In addition, why are we still talking about this? Time to move on with other things.

Krupa

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:
Also, if anyone has any links to $60k unskilled jobs in sweet California, do let me know on the down low, I’ve always dreamed of living there 😄

I don’t recommend moving here because of the mismanagement of the state and drastically increased crime, but you can do your own job searches on http://www.indeed.com.

Just looking for actual proof rather than hearsay 🤙

Feel free. I’ve provided the link.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof mate, that’s on you. I’m not calling you a liar, just asking for you to back up your assertions… and asking me to provide it is as good as admitting you have none. 🙏

NeuM

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:
Also, if anyone has any links to $60k unskilled jobs in sweet California, do let me know on the down low, I’ve always dreamed of living there 😄

I don’t recommend moving here because of the mismanagement of the state and drastically increased crime, but you can do your own job searches on http://www.indeed.com.

Just looking for actual proof rather than hearsay 🤙

Feel free. I’ve provided the link.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof mate, that’s on you. I’m not calling you a liar, just asking for you to back up your assertions… and asking me to provide it is as good as admitting you have none. 🙏

You can search for Los Angeles job with two years experience or no experience and see what you come up with. Do it yourself.

purpan2

.

Krupa

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:
Also, if anyone has any links to $60k unskilled jobs in sweet California, do let me know on the down low, I’ve always dreamed of living there 😄

I don’t recommend moving here because of the mismanagement of the state and drastically increased crime, but you can do your own job searches on http://www.indeed.com.

Just looking for actual proof rather than hearsay 🤙

Feel free. I’ve provided the link.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof mate, that’s on you. I’m not calling you a liar, just asking for you to back up your assertions… and asking me to provide it is as good as admitting you have none. 🙏

You can search for Los Angeles job with two years experience or no experience and see what you come up with. Do it yourself.

You see, now I don’t believe you, and anyone with any sense won’t either. I’m guessing you read about it somewhere, but they were pulling the wool over your eyes.

NeuM

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:
Also, if anyone has any links to $60k unskilled jobs in sweet California, do let me know on the down low, I’ve always dreamed of living there 😄

I don’t recommend moving here because of the mismanagement of the state and drastically increased crime, but you can do your own job searches on http://www.indeed.com.

Just looking for actual proof rather than hearsay 🤙

Feel free. I’ve provided the link.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof mate, that’s on you. I’m not calling you a liar, just asking for you to back up your assertions… and asking me to provide it is as good as admitting you have none. 🙏

You can search for Los Angeles job with two years experience or no experience and see what you come up with. Do it yourself.

You see, now I don’t believe you, and anyone with any sense won’t either. I’m guessing you read about it somewhere, but they were pulling the wool over your eyes.

That’s exactly why you should search for yourself and find out. Beyond that there’s nothing left to discuss.

Krupa

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:
Also, if anyone has any links to $60k unskilled jobs in sweet California, do let me know on the down low, I’ve always dreamed of living there 😄

I don’t recommend moving here because of the mismanagement of the state and drastically increased crime, but you can do your own job searches on http://www.indeed.com.

Just looking for actual proof rather than hearsay 🤙

Feel free. I’ve provided the link.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof mate, that’s on you. I’m not calling you a liar, just asking for you to back up your assertions… and asking me to provide it is as good as admitting you have none. 🙏

You can search for Los Angeles job with two years experience or no experience and see what you come up with. Do it yourself.

You see, now I don’t believe you, and anyone with any sense won’t either. I’m guessing you read about it somewhere, but they were pulling the wool over your eyes.

That’s exactly why you should search for yourself and find out.

Hmm, like I say, you made the claim, you back it up. You don’t seem to understand how debate works.

NeuM

…> @Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:
Also, if anyone has any links to $60k unskilled jobs in sweet California, do let me know on the down low, I’ve always dreamed of living there 😄

I don’t recommend moving here because of the mismanagement of the state and drastically increased crime, but you can do your own job searches on http://www.indeed.com.

Just looking for actual proof rather than hearsay 🤙

Feel free. I’ve provided the link.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof mate, that’s on you. I’m not calling you a liar, just asking for you to back up your assertions… and asking me to provide it is as good as admitting you have none. 🙏

You can search for Los Angeles job with two years experience or no experience and see what you come up with. Do it yourself.

You see, now I don’t believe you, and anyone with any sense won’t either. I’m guessing you read about it somewhere, but they were pulling the wool over your eyes.

That’s exactly why you should search for yourself and find out.

Hmm, like I say, you made the claim, you back it up. You don’t seem to understand how debate works.

Bye-bye. 🖐️

Gavinski

@NeuM said:

@Gavinski said:

@NeuM said:

@Gavinski said:

@NeuM said:

@tahiche said:

@NeuM said:
despite outrageous salaries being paid to unskilled workers

This is not only a lie, but plain wrong on every level. I don’t know what kind of society you strive for, i definately wouldn’t want to be a part of it.

You calling me a liar? I don't know where you live, but they're hiring people right out of college with no experience or minimal experience (two years) for salaries around $65,000-$100,000 (and up!) in California. A worker with no work experience is unskilled. A person with two years experience is not a "seasoned professional". That would be someone with 10 years experience or more, as far as I'm concerned.

A university graduate without experience is not the definition of unskilled worker btw. Not By a long shot

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unskilled labor

That is incorrect.

We can make a poll about it if you insist. I think for most it is not a controversial term, and is generally well understood

Either the definition matters or it doesn’t.

In addition, why are we still talking about this? Time to move on with other things.

You took your vague definition and viewed it as more valid than my specific, and more accurate, one, just because you didn't want to admit your misleading / misinformed word choice in your previous claims about workers

Darkstring

I'll be waiting. This throw-away culture that people engage in is a retarded waste of resources.
Plus, I like being able to use my stuff indefinitely. I have plenty of gadgets with batteries that could be replaced, but changing them takes technical chops to avoid shorts and ruining it. Definitely holding out for next iphone and ipad before upgrading. Maybe the headphone jack will even return. That would be swell.

Krupa

@NeuM said:
…> @Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:

@NeuM said:

@Krupa said:
Also, if anyone has any links to $60k unskilled jobs in sweet California, do let me know on the down low, I’ve always dreamed of living there 😄

I don’t recommend moving here because of the mismanagement of the state and drastically increased crime, but you can do your own job searches on http://www.indeed.com.

Just looking for actual proof rather than hearsay 🤙

Feel free. I’ve provided the link.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof mate, that’s on you. I’m not calling you a liar, just asking for you to back up your assertions… and asking me to provide it is as good as admitting you have none. 🙏

You can search for Los Angeles job with two years experience or no experience and see what you come up with. Do it yourself.

You see, now I don’t believe you, and anyone with any sense won’t either. I’m guessing you read about it somewhere, but they were pulling the wool over your eyes.

That’s exactly why you should search for yourself and find out.

Hmm, like I say, you made the claim, you back it up. You don’t seem to understand how debate works.

Bye-bye. 🖐️

Adios 🥂