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Phase Monkey - Poly Synth by Sketch Audio (Released)

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  • edited September 2023

    Is there a reason why the oscillator that comes in with the mix knob down doesn’t follow the amp env?

    Rdfm answer: that oscillator is modified with the mod env

  • edited September 2023

    Regarding the envelope GUI this may explain it
    https://www.kasploosh.com/cz/13466-envelopes/1-cz_envelopes/

    Casio created the CZ line with more than just ADSR envelopes for the sounds. They created eight stage envelopes that could go up or down in whatever order you want. The sustain can appear at any point in the envelope. You can end the envelope early if you don't want to use all eight stages.

    For „rate and level“ envelopes the actual x/y display is a valid choice, in particular considering sustain isn’t at a fixed position and not all stages may be engaged.
    It looks unusual (and initially confusing), but that applies to Casio hardware as well. ;)

  • edited September 2023

    Sorry for my maybe dumb comments I know nothing about phase synths.

    But I’m seeing a DC offset in some patches I’ve made, is there a reason for not filtering it inside the synth?

  • These are my first attempts, all dry, they sound much better with some fx.

    Also my first impressions: I’m missing an init button, a save button, an overwrite confirmation, an edit patch name

    Its a fun synth!

  • This preset changes sound randomly I don’t know why

  • @cokomairena said:

    These are my first attempts, all dry, they sound much better with some fx.

    Also my first impressions: I’m missing an init button, a save button, an overwrite confirmation, an edit patch name

    Its a fun synth!

    There is an init patch - it's just a bit down the list because they're arranged alphabetically
    There is a save button ('save preset' at the bottom of the preset manager) but yes, a button on the main UI would obviously be a better choice.

    The entire built in preset systems are one of the weak areas for sure, as I mentioned in my video. Would like to see things like multiple user folders as well. There is no batch import or export system - I forgot to do a review of negative points at the end of my vid so don't think I mentioned this, which is uncharacteristic of me because it's one of my pet peeves when am app has no batch import / export. There is a folder called Phase Monkey in On My iPad but I don't know what it does. I thought it saved user presets but it doesn't - mine is still empty despite my having created some user presets.

  • @cokomairena said:
    @rygrob could you make the keyboard not have gaps between keys?

    Also I agree with the sentiment that the envelope stages could use a make up fullscreen mode and showing graphically what are they doing maybe.

    Congrats on the launch!

    Agreed that a way to expand the envelope section to see all 8 stages together would be great.

  • @Gavinski said:

    @cokomairena said:

    These are my first attempts, all dry, they sound much better with some fx.

    Also my first impressions: I’m missing an init button, a save button, an overwrite confirmation, an edit patch name

    Its a fun synth!

    There is an init patch - it's just a bit down the list because they're arranged alphabetically

    Yeah it’s just to far away on my ipad mini on horizontal inside drambo

    also doesn’t reset the envelope stage view position, so I forget I’m on 3/4 when i want to be changing 1/2 stage

    There is a save button ('save preset' at the bottom of the preset manager) but yes, a button on the main UI would obviously be a better choice.

    That button works as a “save as” button, it asks for a name, if you want to update a preset (aka save) you have to write exactly it’s name.

    And if you just use random names and happen to just input the same one you will overwrite it without qny notice

  • edited September 2023

    Apologies if this has already been explained somewhere here.

    The amp envelope stages control the amp. The mod envelope stages control the modulation. What do the Xtra envelope stages control? The manual doesn’t say (unless I missed it).

  • @Robin2 said:
    Apologies if this has already been explained somewhere here.

    The amp envelope stages control the amp. The mod envelope stages control the modulation. What do the Xtra envelope stages control? The manual doesn’t say (unless I missed it).

    I can’t remember exactly what was said but there’s at least 8-10 comments in this thread going pretty extensively over the envelope sections.

  • @Robin2 said:
    Apologies if this has already been explained somewhere here.

    The amp envelope stages control the amp. The mod envelope stages control the modulation. What do the Xtra envelope stages control? The manual doesn’t say (unless I missed it).

    You can assign it to shape or pitch, afaik is an extra envelope to be able to affect those two things independently of the other two volume envs

  • @cokomairena said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @cokomairena said:

    These are my first attempts, all dry, they sound much better with some fx.

    Also my first impressions: I’m missing an init button, a save button, an overwrite confirmation, an edit patch name

    Its a fun synth!

    There is an init patch - it's just a bit down the list because they're arranged alphabetically

    Yeah it’s just to far away on my ipad mini on horizontal inside drambo

    also doesn’t reset the envelope stage view position, so I forget I’m on 3/4 when i want to be changing 1/2 stage

    There is a save button ('save preset' at the bottom of the preset manager) but yes, a button on the main UI would obviously be a better choice.

    That button works as a “save as” button, it asks for a name, if you want to update a preset (aka save) you have to write exactly it’s name.

    And if you just use random names and happen to just input the same one you will overwrite it without qny notice

    Ah, I get you now 👍

  • edited September 2023

    @cokomairena said:

    @Robin2 said:
    Apologies if this has already been explained somewhere here.

    The amp envelope stages control the amp. The mod envelope stages control the modulation. What do the Xtra envelope stages control? The manual doesn’t say (unless I missed it).

    You can assign it to shape or pitch, afaik is an extra envelope to be able to affect those two things independently of the other two volume envs

    Oh, right, so the sliders underneath the envelope section refer to the impact of the Xtra envelope? I figured you should be able to assign it in some way but couldn’t see any visual hint that it was specifically linked to those parameters.

    Having just looked at the manual again, it says any of the three envelopes can have an effect on these parameters based on the setting of those sliders. In other words, the pitch and shape sliders are independent for each envelope, not a universal setting affecting all three. I get it now! @rygrob A subtle colour difference for each envelope and it’s related controls to differentiate as you select between them could really help with revealing that the pitch and shape sliders are unique to each envelope?

    Thanks for the help @HotStrange and @cokomairena, really appreciate it.

  • @Robin2 said:

    @cokomairena said:

    @Robin2 said:
    Apologies if this has already been explained somewhere here.

    The amp envelope stages control the amp. The mod envelope stages control the modulation. What do the Xtra envelope stages control? The manual doesn’t say (unless I missed it).

    You can assign it to shape or pitch, afaik is an extra envelope to be able to affect those two things independently of the other two volume envs

    Oh, right, so the sliders underneath the envelope section refer to the impact of the Xtra envelope? I figured you should be able to assign it in some way but couldn’t see any visual hint that it was specifically linked to those parameters.

    Having just looked at the manual again, it says any of the three envelopes can have an effect on these parameters based on the setting of those sliders. In other words, the pitch and shape sliders are independent for each envelope, not a universal setting affecting all three. I get it now! @rygrob A subtle colour difference for each envelope and it’s related controls to differentiate as you select between them could really help with revealing that the pitch and shape sliders are unique to each envelope?

    Thanks for the help @HotStrange and @cokomairena, really appreciate it.

    That would be a good idea, yes, would be more intuitive

  • @Robin2 said:

    @cokomairena said:

    @Robin2 said:
    Apologies if this has already been explained somewhere here.

    The amp envelope stages control the amp. The mod envelope stages control the modulation. What do the Xtra envelope stages control? The manual doesn’t say (unless I missed it).

    You can assign it to shape or pitch, afaik is an extra envelope to be able to affect those two things independently of the other two volume envs

    Oh, right, so the sliders underneath the envelope section refer to the impact of the Xtra envelope? I figured you should be able to assign it in some way but couldn’t see any visual hint that it was specifically linked to those parameters.

    Having just looked at the manual again, it says any of the three envelopes can have an effect on these parameters based on the setting of those sliders. In other words, the pitch and shape sliders are independent for each envelope, not a universal setting affecting all three. I get it now! @rygrob A subtle colour difference for each envelope and it’s related controls to differentiate as you select between them could really help with revealing that the pitch and shape sliders are unique to each envelope?

    Thanks for the help @HotStrange and @cokomairena, really appreciate it.

    That’s would certainly help. Good idea.

  • edited September 2023

    User presets created in standalone don’t show up in this or Blip Box when they’re loaded as AU instruments? Am I missing something? @rygrob?

    Edit: apologies, they are showing up now - no idea what I did which I hadn’t done before but all’s well, ignore this. Cheers.

  • A couple of thoughts after programming a couple of presets, ideas to add a little more sonic range while minimally affecting the UI… 1. Adding more Mod Types, really simply I’m thinking None or Mix where you hear the Mod oscillator directly. 2. I’m missing fine tune when using coarse tune of the main oscillator (it would be nice to have intervals with detune) and also on the Mod oscillator where this affects beat rate.

  • Does it have MPE, and/or can you set the pitch bend to 48?

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
    Does it have MPE, and/or can you set the pitch bend to 48?

  • @cokomairena said:

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
    Does it have MPE, and/or can you set the pitch bend to 48?

    Thank you sir!

  • Now that it's been out a couple months, I wanted to ask... how would you rank this, Phase 84, and Shockwave as far as PD synths go? I have Phase 84 and love it, but didn't know how guys feel this one stacks up. I mean, I'm gonna get this and shockwave eventually of course

  • @Fear2Stop said:
    Now that it's been out a couple months, I wanted to ask... how would you rank this, Phase 84, and Shockwave as far as PD synths go? I have Phase 84 and love it, but didn't know how guys feel this one stacks up. I mean, I'm gonna get this and shockwave eventually of course

    This is the current top dog of phase distortion on iOS, imo. I love Phase84 as well but this app is just great. Shockwave is doing its own thing so it’s harder to compare it.

  • @HotStrange said:

    @Fear2Stop said:
    Now that it's been out a couple months, I wanted to ask... how would you rank this, Phase 84, and Shockwave as far as PD synths go? I have Phase 84 and love it, but didn't know how guys feel this one stacks up. I mean, I'm gonna get this and shockwave eventually of course

    This is the current top dog of phase distortion on iOS, imo. I love Phase84 as well but this app is just great. Shockwave is doing its own thing so it’s harder to compare it.

    I think you just settled what I'm getting next...this and Stria :)

  • @Fear2Stop said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @Fear2Stop said:
    Now that it's been out a couple months, I wanted to ask... how would you rank this, Phase 84, and Shockwave as far as PD synths go? I have Phase 84 and love it, but didn't know how guys feel this one stacks up. I mean, I'm gonna get this and shockwave eventually of course

    This is the current top dog of phase distortion on iOS, imo. I love Phase84 as well but this app is just great. Shockwave is doing its own thing so it’s harder to compare it.

    I think you just settled what I'm getting next...this and Stria :)

    Nice! Let us know how you like them. Both are really great. The devs other app, Blip Box is equally as good imo.

  • @HotStrange said:

    @Fear2Stop said:
    Now that it's been out a couple months, I wanted to ask... how would you rank this, Phase 84, and Shockwave as far as PD synths go? I have Phase 84 and love it, but didn't know how guys feel this one stacks up. I mean, I'm gonna get this and shockwave eventually of course

    This is the current top dog of phase distortion on iOS, imo. I love Phase84 as well but this app is just great. Shockwave is doing its own thing so it’s harder to compare it.

    How close is this to Casio's CZ line of synths, sound-wise?

  • @Fear2Stop said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @Fear2Stop said:
    Now that it's been out a couple months, I wanted to ask... how would you rank this, Phase 84, and Shockwave as far as PD synths go? I have Phase 84 and love it, but didn't know how guys feel this one stacks up. I mean, I'm gonna get this and shockwave eventually of course

    This is the current top dog of phase distortion on iOS, imo. I love Phase84 as well but this app is just great. Shockwave is doing its own thing so it’s harder to compare it.

    How close is this to Casio's CZ line of synths, sound-wise?

    I’ve only played one of the CZs maybe twice and it was 15 years ago almost lol so I wouldn’t feel comfortable making an official statement, but it’s definitely a super capable PD synth and likely the best we have on iOS.

  • @Fear2Stop said:

    How close is this to Casio's CZ line of synths, sound-wise?

    No virtual PD Synth matches the CZ sound exactly. The Casio output hardware is way too different from current technology and it has a significant influence.
    But the method is similar enough to replicate the synthesis character.
    So you can‘t replace a piece of CZ hardware, instead you‘ll get a highly polished version of the output, which can be very cool.
    I have a real CZ1000 and it‘s virtual counterpart on Mac, which is intended as an emulation, while this app does not even pretend to be a CZ.

  • edited November 2023

    Yeah, closest thing to CZ virtually is Arturia CZ V or VirtualCZ VSTs. This is great but a bit different. Phase84 is not the same as CZ either.

    I have CZ101 as well, and it's still awesome

  • @Telefunky said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    How close is this to Casio's CZ line of synths, sound-wise?

    No virtual PD Synth matches the CZ sound exactly. The Casio output hardware is way too different from current technology and it has a significant influence.
    But the method is similar enough to replicate the synthesis character.
    So you can‘t replace a piece of CZ hardware, instead you‘ll get a highly polished version of the output, which can be very cool.
    I have a real CZ1000 and it‘s virtual counterpart on Mac, which is intended as an emulation, while this app does not even pretend to be a CZ.

    @auxmux said:
    Yeah, closest thing to CZ virtually is Arturia CZ V or VirtualCZ VSTs. This is great but a bit different. Phase84 is not the same as CZ either.

    I have CZ101 as well, and it's still awesome

    @HotStrange said:

    @Fear2Stop said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @Fear2Stop said:
    Now that it's been out a couple months, I wanted to ask... how would you rank this, Phase 84, and Shockwave as far as PD synths go? I have Phase 84 and love it, but didn't know how guys feel this one stacks up. I mean, I'm gonna get this and shockwave eventually of course

    This is the current top dog of phase distortion on iOS, imo. I love Phase84 as well but this app is just great. Shockwave is doing its own thing so it’s harder to compare it.

    How close is this to Casio's CZ line of synths, sound-wise?

    I’ve only played one of the CZs maybe twice and it was 15 years ago almost lol so I wouldn’t feel comfortable making an official statement, but it’s definitely a super capable PD synth and likely the best we have on iOS.

    Thank you all! I'm getting this this weekend if all goes according to plan ^_^

  • I never mentioned how I’m digging this,.. but I am! It sounds absolutely wonderful and well worth the 5 stars I gave it on the App Store… the presets are kinda meh but it’s easy to make your own sounds

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