Pro Tool releases a free iPad app with Ableton-esque clip launcher.

GUB

Just don’t do it again, that funny swimming thing.

@purpan2 said:
I hate to swim against the forum tide, but I very much like this. So much so that I’ve been trying out the free desktop Pro Tools for synching the files. After a couple of hours of interface mystery it seem very good indeed. Lots of possibilities, even with the free version; work out a basic arrangement with the app, open it in the desktop and drag the clips as audio to the main timeline. Then add whatever VST you wish, or audio tracks.

HotStrange

How’s everyone loading their own clips and loops into the app? It’s not working for me at all.

cokomairena

@purpan2 said:
I hate to swim against the forum tide, but I very much like this. So much so that I’ve been trying out the free desktop Pro Tools for synching the files. After a couple of hours of interface mystery it seem very good indeed. Lots of possibilities, even with the free version; work out a basic arrangement with the app, open it in the desktop and drag the clips as audio to the main timeline. Then add whatever VST you wish, or audio tracks.

What are you arranging? Loops?

cokomairena

@HotStrange said:
How’s everyone loading their own clips and loops into the app? It’s not working for me at all.

robosardine

@HotStrange said:

@robosardine said:
This seems to be like a mixture of Launchpad and Remix Live - only bigger and better and with much needed newer features. One being - you can drop a clip in then you can set the loop points to the size of clip you want and when you move it around - it stays the same size!! 😍👍

I haven’t tried to load my own clips in, I didn’t realiE you could. Is there a limit on the length?

I don’t know - I was only using their own files - I got stuck when it wouldn’t let me import from AudioShare…. Then shortly after I started losing interest. I was asking myself ‘Do I actually want and need all this?’ - and I don’t. It does have several edges over Launchpad - but it won’t import straight from Blocs Wave with it’s lovely random slice feature. And I’m in the middle of a Launchpad year long subscription 🙄 so I’m out for now as well. I’m actually getting some joy out of the workflow I am on so why interrupt it I’m thinking.

McD

@cyberheater said:

@AlmostAnonymous said:
This app is basically if ampify shoved blocwave with launchpad together.
Do with that with what you will.

Also I haven’t gotten it to show up any external audio interfaces.
Do with that what you will.

External audio interface works for me. iPad Pro M1

@cyberheater said:

@AlmostAnonymous said:
After an uninstall/reinstall, my audio interface issues are resolved.

Fab.

I had to unplug mine and get audio working through the iPad speakers. Then I plugged my external interface in and after the typical 7 second delay the audio switched to my external device and my headphones.

It looks like we’ll have to route audio out… does it work on an iphone? and then record through an external interface.

Why do these bug players treat IOS as an audience to be seduced into their desktop cash cow? It doesn’t;t seem to work for:
Reason with Reason compact
Ableton with Ableton Note
Avid with Protools Sketch

Only Korg by putting a ton of assets into Gadget and even porting Gadget to the desktop.
Yamaha and Roland stumbled into the IOS world through acquisitions:
Yamaha purchasing Steinberg and leaving them alone.
Roland purchasing Stagelight and making it Zenbeats. It’s been integrated into Roland Cloud.

For these big hardware Co’s IOS is a gateway drug for their hardware… potentially. I suspect it has the same limited
success that the software co’s see.

How far away are we from the big co’s scooping up AUM, Loopy Pro, Drambo and any successful IOS DAW? All the work of independent coders. Probably not going to happen unless they make an offer they can’t refuse.

Meanwhile… BeatMaker, NS 2 and Aria Pro slip off the radar.

Remember when Reason sent a marketing person to the forum to capture specs for a drum app? Didn’t go well.

HotStrange

@robosardine said:

@HotStrange said:

@robosardine said:
This seems to be like a mixture of Launchpad and Remix Live - only bigger and better and with much needed newer features. One being - you can drop a clip in then you can set the loop points to the size of clip you want and when you move it around - it stays the same size!! 😍👍

I haven’t tried to load my own clips in, I didn’t realiE you could. Is there a limit on the length?

I don’t know - I was only using their own files - I got stuck when it wouldn’t let me import from AudioShare…. Then shortly after I started losing interest. I was asking myself ‘Do I actually want and need all this?’ - and I don’t. It does have several edges over Launchpad - but it won’t import straight from Blocs Wave with it’s lovely random slice feature. And I’m in the middle of a Launchpad year long subscription 🙄 so I’m out for now as well. I’m actually getting some joy out of the workflow I am on so why interrupt it I’m thinking.

Yeah I’m thinking the same. I still want to give it a fair shot but not being able to import any of my own loops or clips is basically a non starter in the long run. Launchpad makes it so much easier. And like you said, the integration with Blocs is great.

HotStrange

@cokomairena said:

@HotStrange said:
How’s everyone loading their own clips and loops into the app? It’s not working for me at all.

I know the process, but I like I mentioned it’s not working for me at all. So I’m not sure why it seems to be working for everyone else. I have a collection of loops, clips, samples, midi clips, etc and none of them can be imported. I’m stuck with only the factory loops right now. So don’t think it’s gonna work in the long run for me after all.

purpan2

@cokomairena said:

@purpan2 said:
I hate to swim against the forum tide, but I very much like this. So much so that I’ve been trying out the free desktop Pro Tools for synching the files. After a couple of hours of interface mystery it seem very good indeed. Lots of possibilities, even with the free version; work out a basic arrangement with the app, open it in the desktop and drag the clips as audio to the main timeline. Then add whatever VST you wish, or audio tracks.

What are you arranging? Loops?

Midi loops made with the two instruments.

Gavinski

I suspect that a lot of posts here so far are not very informed - not really surprising though when the app looks intuitive and yet the manual is 70+ pages long and they don't seem to have a good video tutorial? But yeah, a lot of the 'it doesn't do X' comments here are possibly user error, no?

Strizbiz

@skiphunt said:
I didn’t have to sign in to get to the manual via in-app guide link.

It’s a good start, especially for free. It’s already crashed on me without saving what I was working on.

The instruments and samples are decent.

I don’t get why you can’t simply playback your arrangement without exporting it first.

I don’t need this, but I can appreciate this first version. I already have all of this covered, but I think I’d personally use GarageBand over ProTools Sketch if I was trying to arrange songs from clips.

Not sure if I’ll delete it or not. I’m kinda curious how it gets developed. If I was a desktop ProTools user it’d probably explore it more and make more use of it for “sketching ideas” to finish out in ProTools.

If you don’t already have an obscene amount of apps installed I think it’s worth exploring.

I kinda like the stripped down interface, and I don’t mind registering if need be. I just don’t think I’ll be using it enough to bother with it just yet.

You actually can play back your arrangement before exporting it first, you have to tap on the arrangement tab

BroCoast

It seems alright, not something I could live with as an appfreak but nice all the same.

The content itself is great and it is way more enjoyable to use than Garageband.

skiphunt

@Strizbiz said:

@skiphunt said:
I didn’t have to sign in to get to the manual via in-app guide link.

It’s a good start, especially for free. It’s already crashed on me without saving what I was working on.

The instruments and samples are decent.

I don’t get why you can’t simply playback your arrangement without exporting it first.

I don’t need this, but I can appreciate this first version. I already have all of this covered, but I think I’d personally use GarageBand over ProTools Sketch if I was trying to arrange songs from clips.

Not sure if I’ll delete it or not. I’m kinda curious how it gets developed. If I was a desktop ProTools user it’d probably explore it more and make more use of it for “sketching ideas” to finish out in ProTools.

If you don’t already have an obscene amount of apps installed I think it’s worth exploring.

I kinda like the stripped down interface, and I don’t mind registering if need be. I just don’t think I’ll be using it enough to bother with it just yet.

You actually can play back your arrangement before exporting it first, you have to tap on the arrangement tab

I had tried that, but the arrangements tab is not responding for me. It's greyed out.

Already deleted, but I might try a reinstall and reset to see if it responds. Looks like others have had features that didn't work, but did after a reinstall and/or reset.

day_empire

@Polyphonix said:

@day_empire said:
I couldn't find a way to add my own samples. Deleted it.

Next to the tab 'Sound Library' there is the tab 'Browse' where you can find the button 'Select Folder'. Then just browse to the location of your samples...

Thanks!

pogi6od

I hope that when BAM comes out, it will have features that would make it worth its $30 price tag. This thing seems pretty similar but all for free. Of course auv3s automatically levels BAM up, but a whole $30 up? Maybe if BAM’s piano roll has scale lock and ghost notes. Buut for sure if they implement a copy of Ableton’s current piano roll! That goes for any Dev… I think i actually would shell out $30 for an Ableton style(featured) piano roll in iPad

jwmmakerofmusic

@pogi6od said:
I hope that when BAM comes out, it will have features that would make it worth its $30 price tag. This thing seems pretty similar but all for free. Of course auv3s automatically levels BAM up, but a whole $30 up? Maybe if BAM’s piano roll has scale lock and ghost notes. Buut for sure if they implement a copy of Ableton’s current piano roll! That goes for any Dev… I think i actually would shell out $30 for an Ableton style(featured) piano roll in iPad

BAM is $15 preorder. It's not quite $30 yet.

db909

@pogi6od said:
I hope that when BAM comes out, it will have features that would make it worth its $30 price tag. This thing seems pretty similar but all for free. Of course auv3s automatically levels BAM up, but a whole $30 up? Maybe if BAM’s piano roll has scale lock and ghost notes. Buut for sure if they implement a copy of Ableton’s current piano roll! That goes for any Dev… I think i actually would shell out $30 for an Ableton style(featured) piano roll in iPad

Having tried both I can tell you that this is absolutely not similar to BAM at all. Ok so they both use the clip arrangement paradigm, that’s it. I’m still sort of wrapping my head around BAM and it may not even be my cup of tea, but I’d absolutely choose it over pro tools sketch any day.

In other words, not a big Pro Tools Sketch fan. Definite case of “you get what you pay for” in my humble opinion

pogi6od

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@pogi6od said:
I hope that when BAM comes out, it will have features that would make it worth its $30 price tag. This thing seems pretty similar but all for free. Of course auv3s automatically levels BAM up, but a whole $30 up? Maybe if BAM’s piano roll has scale lock and ghost notes. Buut for sure if they implement a copy of Ableton’s current piano roll! That goes for any Dev… I think i actually would shell out $30 for an Ableton style(featured) piano roll in iPad

BAM is $15 preorder. It's not quite $30 yet.

I just meant in general, its Dev figures Bam is worth $30 in iOS

@db909 said:

@pogi6od said:
I hope that when BAM comes out, it will have features that would make it worth its $30 price tag. This thing seems pretty similar but all for free. Of course auv3s automatically levels BAM up, but a whole $30 up? Maybe if BAM’s piano roll has scale lock and ghost notes. Buut for sure if they implement a copy of Ableton’s current piano roll! That goes for any Dev… I think i actually would shell out $30 for an Ableton style(featured) piano roll in iPad

Having tried both I can tell you that this is absolutely not similar to BAM at all. Ok so they both use the clip arrangement paradigm, that’s it. I’m still sort of wrapping my head around BAM and it may not even be my cup of tea, but I’d absolutely choose it over pro tools sketch any day.

In other words, not a big Pro Tools Sketch fan. Definite case of “you get what you pay for” in my humble opinion

Ah, thanks for that. good to know. I hate to start talking about bam in a sketch thread but just a quick question. Is Bam’s piano roll pretty much identical to Lk’s or is it upgraded? Hoping its got ghost notes and scale lock at least…. Or scale highlight

HotStrange

@pogi6od said:
I hope that when BAM comes out, it will have features that would make it worth its $30 price tag. This thing seems pretty similar but all for free. Of course auv3s automatically levels BAM up, but a whole $30 up? Maybe if BAM’s piano roll has scale lock and ghost notes. Buut for sure if they implement a copy of Ableton’s current piano roll! That goes for any Dev… I think i actually would shell out $30 for an Ableton style(featured) piano roll in iPad

I mean $30 is already an incredibly low price for what it does. A desktop or especially hardware equivalent with just as much features would be hundreds of dollars. Are people expecting devs to just undersell their app at a major loss?

Having used both, they’re not even in the same league. It’s like eating a can of Ravioli vs going to Italy and having handmade ravioli and eating it on a dock overlooking a river. Sketch is great for free but it feels free. BAM feels like a quality instrument that is well worth the $15-$30 price tag.

Also if Ableton makes a DAW/clip launcher for iOS I can almost guarantee it won’t be $30. Maybe $50 if we’re lucky. Or a subscription like Logic.

HotStrange

@db909 said:

@pogi6od said:
I hope that when BAM comes out, it will have features that would make it worth its $30 price tag. This thing seems pretty similar but all for free. Of course auv3s automatically levels BAM up, but a whole $30 up? Maybe if BAM’s piano roll has scale lock and ghost notes. Buut for sure if they implement a copy of Ableton’s current piano roll! That goes for any Dev… I think i actually would shell out $30 for an Ableton style(featured) piano roll in iPad

Having tried both I can tell you that this is absolutely not similar to BAM at all. Ok so they both use the clip arrangement paradigm, that’s it. I’m still sort of wrapping my head around BAM and it may not even be my cup of tea, but I’d absolutely choose it over pro tools sketch any day.

In other words, not a big Pro Tools Sketch fan. Definite case of “you get what you pay for” in my humble opinion

Agreed. I’m not sure why some people want or expect devs to massively undersell their own apps. I guess we were spoiled by the days of apps being $.99-$4.99. $30 is NOT expensive especially for an app like BAM.

pogi6od

@HotStrange said:

@pogi6od said:
I hope that when BAM comes out, it will have features that would make it worth its $30 price tag. This thing seems pretty similar but all for free. Of course auv3s automatically levels BAM up, but a whole $30 up? Maybe if BAM’s piano roll has scale lock and ghost notes. Buut for sure if they implement a copy of Ableton’s current piano roll! That goes for any Dev… I think i actually would shell out $30 for an Ableton style(featured) piano roll in iPad

I mean $30 is already an incredibly low price for what it does. A desktop or especially hardware equivalent with just as much features would be hundreds of dollars. Are people expecting devs to just undersell their app at a major loss?

Having used both, they’re not even in the same league. It’s like eating a can of Ravioli vs going to Italy and having handmade ravioli and eating it on a dock overlooking a river. Sketch is great for free but it feels free. BAM feels like a quality instrument that is well worth the $15-$30 price tag.

Also if Ableton makes a DAW/clip launcher for iOS I can almost guarantee it won’t be $30. Maybe $50 if we’re lucky. Or a subscription like Logic.

Well its just the current standard for ios. Not trying to offend any1

jwmmakerofmusic

@pogi6od said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@pogi6od said:
I hope that when BAM comes out, it will have features that would make it worth its $30 price tag. This thing seems pretty similar but all for free. Of course auv3s automatically levels BAM up, but a whole $30 up? Maybe if BAM’s piano roll has scale lock and ghost notes. Buut for sure if they implement a copy of Ableton’s current piano roll! That goes for any Dev… I think i actually would shell out $30 for an Ableton style(featured) piano roll in iPad

BAM is $15 preorder. It's not quite $30 yet.

I just meant in general, its Dev figures Bam is worth $30 in iOS

Better than subscription pricing. Only one $30 payment at regular pricing. 😉

HotStrange

@pogi6od said:

@HotStrange said:

@pogi6od said:
I hope that when BAM comes out, it will have features that would make it worth its $30 price tag. This thing seems pretty similar but all for free. Of course auv3s automatically levels BAM up, but a whole $30 up? Maybe if BAM’s piano roll has scale lock and ghost notes. Buut for sure if they implement a copy of Ableton’s current piano roll! That goes for any Dev… I think i actually would shell out $30 for an Ableton style(featured) piano roll in iPad

I mean $30 is already an incredibly low price for what it does. A desktop or especially hardware equivalent with just as much features would be hundreds of dollars. Are people expecting devs to just undersell their app at a major loss?

Having used both, they’re not even in the same league. It’s like eating a can of Ravioli vs going to Italy and having handmade ravioli and eating it on a dock overlooking a river. Sketch is great for free but it feels free. BAM feels like a quality instrument that is well worth the $15-$30 price tag.

Also if Ableton makes a DAW/clip launcher for iOS I can almost guarantee it won’t be $30. Maybe $50 if we’re lucky. Or a subscription like Logic.

Well its just the current standard for ios. Not trying to offend any1

I think the tides are turning a bit with that though. I expect prices for apps in general, but especially apps like BAM to go up a bit. I know a handful of devs have already raised prices of all there. I still think they’re worth it but best to set expectations probably. Is Sketch has you covered BAM may not be for you. I’m a sucker for grooveboxes though and I think BAM will be the best for that on iOS.

day_empire

As expected pretty much worthless unless you want to buy Pro Tools. Not an AUv3 or even IAA. Like the faux-ableton session UI, as a former Ableton user. Wish somebody would come out with an app like this that is not a come on to buy an expensive DAW. I’m using Koala but really feel comfortable with the Ableton-like session UI.

espiegel123

@McD wrote: “ Why do these bug players treat IOS as an audience to be seduced into their desktop cash cow? It doesn’t;t seem to work for:
Reason with Reason compact
Ableton with Ableton Note
Avid with Protools Sketch”

I see no evidence that Ableton’s goal with Note is primarily to get new Live purchasers. It looks to me to primarily appeal to Live users that also use iPads and iPhones and establishing continuity—and additionally getting their foot in the door in case mobile starts to take off more among pros.

I see it as more of a user retention strategy as Apple explores pro appeal of the iPad.

shinyisshiny

i still absolutely loathe Avid and PT's, but having had a go at the app, its not bad. some decent sounds, quick and immediate workflow. decent FX, (compressor sounds great).

its nothing ground breaking but its cool. Going to attempt an export to PTs desktop later and see how that goes.

also, whats BAM?

purpan2

So. A free ipad app that feeds into a free desktop DAW (in which you can use your own plug-ins), which in turn can be controlled by a free ipad controller app.

Bastards. There's a place reserved in hell for such unprecedented greed.

cokomairena

I can’t believe I’m the only one bothered by the lack of a sampler 😅

thesoundtestroom

I'll stick my quick demo here too, but I will do a tutorial, I like it.

HotStrange

@cokomairena said:
I can’t believe I’m the only one bothered by the lack of a sampler 😅

Not the only one! I wish there was a sampler as well.