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To me she was a unwanted intruder into the writing and recording process that the other Beatles would have preferred to be without.
Her shouting in the microphone was very annoying. I am not in avant garde one bit.
I am sure John was in part to blame because he wanted her to be beside him all the time too.
When they went to George's place she should have let the work out thing only the 4 of them.
Yeah, that was old George. That was pretty effective, I thought at first, who’s this random old session dude 🤣
My initial thought was actually to look for a picture of George Martin at that age, but I quickly realized that was totally wrong. I have no idea what time period he was involved actually, so maybe that was pretty silly on more than just the picture level.
I assumed that was George from the Anthology sessions.
Hahaha, I don’t think the Martin George rocked such a hippy style, not in any pics I saw anyway! I’m definitely no Beatles expert, tho, have never read a biography or anything.
Well, they took original footage and treated it in lots of different ways depending on the clip, sometimes they've over cooked it and it's made it look too fake.
Sometimes it's better to use the original clips and just clean it up a bit, especially mixing film with video, which is difficult, it's never really going to look right doing that. I would like to see some of the context of original clips they used for the compositing, some of them would look very different.
For this type of material I prefer a mix of edited footage rather than heavy compositing. I've done some of this myself with film footage and film is best left in the original context, mixing film with video in the same shot is not a good idea generally.
My reaction aligns with this dude...
The tune is OK. The fact it was a Lennon demo after the Beatles breakup leaves me doubt John would have wanted this to even have been released at all. And the internet is also buzzing that George didn't like it. Let's just say an awful lot of presumptions and technology and money wants this to be a legit Beatles song. It isn't.
I like the video much better. If this was a song in a Beatles retrospective show and introduced as a John memorial cooked up by the production crew, fine. But this wasn't the Fab Four bouncing threads of musical ideas off each other and eventually -- collaboratively in real-time -- coming up something better as a team rather than an solo songwriter.
Long-time Beatles fan here saying, "meh".
I don't want to yuck anybody's yum, as they say, but I agree with the "meh" camp. The Lennon demo is cryptic and enticing, and there's real longing that runs through it. He manages to put uncertainty into a trite phrase like "now and then."
The final product is sleek and corporate and it feels like what you'd get from some of the most proficient engineers and programmers in the field making a very accurate facsimile of a Beatles song. But I'm not exaggerating when I say the entire Rutles catalog has more Beatles soul than anything Jeff Lynne has ever been involved in.
And as for Yoko:
This is hilarious. Thanks for posting - priceless.
They used George rhythm guitar track, John voices plus Paul and Ringo playing and signing. That qualifies it as a Beatles song. I understand as a long fan of a band being let down by new music.
The only technology use was to seperate John's voice from the piano.
About George not liking the song to me it seems more like he was frustrated with the recording not working because of the piano mixing with John's voice.
Some Beatles song where brought to the band fully written and the others 3 just wrote their parts.
I think it's in McCartney 3,2,1 on Disney+ that Paul talk about that.
I find this project pretty "meh", also. John's demo is lovely but obviously not a finished song. To my ear, the best part is a bridge section that didn't get used. The "Beatles" version is an impressive demonstration of technology but a recording that wouldn't have made it on to to vinyl in my opinion.
If someone weren't a die-hard Beatles fan and not already familiar with their strong work, I'd think this track might encourage them to think of the Beatles as ho-hum. I can't imagine taking the time to give this a second listen when there are so many Beatles tracks that bear repeated listening.
That’s kind of how I felt about Free as a Bird when it was released. I just thought it would have been better off left as a demo.
I do like this one better than Free as a Bird though, but I’d put it on par with the filler on Let It Be or on some of the earlier rushed albums.
It’s a beautiful demo from John but that’s all it is and trying to turn it into a full song is a mistake.
I felt the same way about this guys songs… they were better without a band.
I liked the song better the second time through. I admit I'm not a big Beatles fan but I do like many songs on their later albums. I watched the video, it was ok except for the part where they made John Lennon dance around and flap his hands. I didn't understand that part. I did enjoy hearing Ringo play the drums, I like his drumming style. I guess I'm pleased to have heard the song, it's slight but has a nice melody.
I just can’t help wondering if John or George would have given their blessing to this release. Since they are sadly no longer here to give their opinion and since their legacy and reputation is at stake I believe that as a courtesy it should have been kept under wraps remaining in its then form.
itˋs a Lennon song
nothing more or less
The original sounds like a personal message and dedication to someone, probably Yoko.
We know that George didn’t when the Anthologies were being put together. He described it as “F*cking rubbish”.
The cassette that Yoko gave to Paul was supposed to have « For Paul » written on it.
Where did you read that?
I saw it in a video on YouTube. I am not sure which one because I been binging Abbey Road and Beatles video.
But it says in on this page.
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-67207699
It was on a cassette labelled "For Paul" that also contained early versions of Free As A Bird and Real Love - which the remaining Beatles polished up and released as singles in 1995 and 1996, as part of their Anthology project.
It also says : The band also attempted to record Now And Then, but the session was quickly abandoned - with guitarist George Harrison saying the quality of Lennon's recording was "rubbish".
As I speculated it was the recording quality not the song quality that drove George away.
I believe I’m right in saying that Yoko originally told George that the demos existed, but she saw Paul before she next saw George so gave the tape to him. I think it was definitely intended for the 3 Beatles rather than Paul.
I finally gave "Now and Then" a watch and listen. The music video is "just meh", but the song itself is rather pleasant. It's nothing innovative or groundbreaking, it's "just nice". Now excuse me while I go back to listening to the "Magical Mystery Tour". (Which I heavily sampled here.)
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/56335/im-not-in-the-magical-mystery-tour-mashup-for-allan#latest
Don’t forget, ‘let your hair grow long’.
Same here. If this wasn't The Beatles, I'd pay it little attention.
The magic of the Beatles was that they were trailblazers several decades ago.
Using AI to separate John vocal is trailblazing to me. It could start a trend of posthumous lost recording coming from many artists.
That doesn't make the song "better", though. A nondescript (to me) song is a nondescript song, no matter what technology went into making it.
I agree about the promise for the future. People probably felt the same way about early electronic music.
Yeah, as a way of discovering and revealing cultural and historical artefacts, it's only the beginning of what will be possible to find. It will be possible to read and fill in details of even the faintest of fossil record and find patterns impossible to have previously been found in space, biology etc and here of course it's revealed a really nice lost demo.
But it also shows how when commercialism meets that technology it's not necessarily a good thing, I don't think it needs the overblown corporate version myself, just the demo is great, but that's the world we are in