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Apple's press release about changes to EU App Store

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  • michael_mmichael_m

    @tja said:

    @michael_m said:

    @tja said:

    @michael_m said:
    “The new options for processing payments and downloading apps on iOS open new avenues for malware, fraud and scams, illicit and harmful content, and other privacy and security threats.”

    Well they’re not wrong…

    Yes, we should also prevent to install non-App Store applications on Mac!
    It's a horror that you can still install everything....
    How could Apple ever allow that!!!

    Apples and oranges. The Mac was open when it was released and the iPhone was released significantly later with the opportunity to manage new app installations from the get-go.

    dito !

    The situation is exactly the same!

    Well not really, it’s a similar scenario but with the options flipped. I’d hardly say it’s “exactly the same”.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    I suspect people minimizing the security risks haven’t had to implement security measures on a large scale in the past decade and have been lucky enough to avoid malware and know no one that has been affected by malware.

    “the Mac was open when it was released” is a weak argument that sheds no light on the security concerns.

    When the Mac was released networking was wired and high-speed networks in businesses only. Even compared to 10 years ago, the security issues are radically different.

  • cyberheatercyberheater

    https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/25/24050478/apple-ios-17-4-browser-engines-eu

    Apple is finally allowing full versions of Chrome and Firefox to run on the iPhone

    I hope this allows web midi on Chrome browsers. That would be awesome.

  • CarnbotCarnbot
    edited January 26

    Epic Games store and Altstore seem to be the first alternate stores to announce their arrivals later in the year :)

  • cyberheatercyberheater

    @Carnbot said:
    Epic Games store and Altstore seem to be the first alternate stores to announce their arrivals later in the year :)

    Nice

  • israeliteisraelite

    @Spinoza said:
    The EU idea was born out of great ideals and turned into this…monster destroying the countries freedom
    They are over staffed mostly by people who did not make it into big corporations and now take their sad revenge.
    Btw I am not at all an Apple supporter

    Do you live in Europe? I do and can't complain.

  • TurnItUpTurnItUp

    Laughs in American.

  • CarnbotCarnbot

    @cyberheater said:

    @Carnbot said:
    Epic Games store and Altstore seem to be the first alternate stores to announce their arrivals later in the year :)

    Nice

    Yeah I've enjoyed playing with emulators on my ipad but had to do too many workarounds to do it, so this will make it much easier in the future hopefully.

  • WyvernWyvern

    If I'm reading this right, it appears the EU is forcing Apple to allow different stores on phones and tablets. Ok, I get the freedom of choice angle. I suppose Apple could simply put warnings up saying if you go to external stores and your device gets wrecked or you get scammed as a result, tough. I don't see why Apple should be held accountable for that. If you want freedom of choice then you have to accept the risks involved. Part of the attraction of Apple devices is the walled garden and extra security. Anyone that's ever used a non-Pixel Android device knows what a disaster Android can be.

    Thankfully, the UK is no longer in the EU, but the EU has a bit of a reputation of being hostile to successful American companies.

  • rs2000rs2000

    @cyberheater said:
    https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/25/24050478/apple-ios-17-4-browser-engines-eu

    Apple is finally allowing full versions of Chrome and Firefox to run on the iPhone

    I hope this allows web midi on Chrome browsers. That would be awesome.

    Not only that, it would also help fixing the use of web pages that aren't usable in Safari.

  • NeuMNeuM

    @mangecoeur said:
    Pure apple scaremongering, they make it sound like opening themselves to competing App Stores and payment systems is a blind jump into the unknown, when in fact desktop mac has worked exactly like this since forever and somehow we managed to avoid the apocalypse.

    On my mac i can buy games from Steam, get music or media without paying a cut to apple, write and run my own software and it’s just fine.

    They fact that it took the concerted anti-monopoly efforts of an entire continent to make something remotely similar possible on an ipad just shows the worrying scope of apple’s corporate influence. Anyway this is EU for now but there are similar efforts underway in japan and the us so we’ll see how it pans out.

    Apple is not now, nor have they ever been a monopoly. This is a group of uncompetitive businesses leveraging their influence in the EU in a bald attempt to have access to Apple's devices at no cost to them. Apple really needs to up their lobbying game. They'll get eaten alive otherwise.

  • 0tolerance4silence0tolerance4silence

    Would be about time for apple to go back to its roots of being a tech company / innovator rather than a religion.

  • realdaweirealdawei

    @pax-eterna said:

    @tja said:

    @michael_m said:

    @tja said:

    @michael_m said:
    “The new options for processing payments and downloading apps on iOS open new avenues for malware, fraud and scams, illicit and harmful content, and other privacy and security threats.”

    Well they’re not wrong…

    Yes, we should also prevent to install non-App Store applications on Mac!
    It's a horror that you can still install everything....
    How could Apple ever allow that!!!

    Apples and oranges. The Mac was open when it was released and the iPhone was released significantly later with the opportunity to manage new app installations from the get-go.

    dito !

    The situation is exactly the same!

    And NOBODY forces YOU to install anything that is not from the App Store!
    That is YOUR decision.

    Opening iDevices to other stores is simply the Best Thing ever!
    It has no bad implications at all - unless YOU do something bad. which is exactly the same option you have on macOS, Windows or Linux!

    Yes, but however it is usually not just you, you will damage if you stupidly allow malware, spyware and trojans on to your system. With how the world of contacts on the Apple platform works, and with FB also intrinsically linked, you will be damaging many other innocent folks! Just look at Facebook account hacks and the damage they cause!

    Haha bingo…nieces and nephews all over the world have been exploited for years by Meta/FB who triangulate, corner and track even the most careful of uncles.

    They are aided and abetted by holier than thou idiots all over the world who just reflexively bray bad baaaad baaad aaaaaple. Unaware that they have been thoroughly manipulated by Meta and others to do their bidding

  • israeliteisraelite
    edited January 26

    @Wyvern said:
    If I'm reading this right, it appears the EU is forcing Apple to allow different stores on phones and tablets. Ok, I get the freedom of choice angle. I suppose Apple could simply put warnings up saying if you go to external stores and your device gets wrecked or you get scammed as a result, tough. I don't see why Apple should be held accountable for that. If you want freedom of choice then you have to accept the risks involved. Part of the attraction of Apple devices is the walled garden and extra security. Anyone that's ever used a non-Pixel Android device knows what a disaster Android can be.

    Thankfully, the UK is no longer in the EU, but the EU has a bit of a reputation of being hostile to successful American companies.

    So many people living in fear... I am using a rooted android device since ages. Never experiencd any hacker attack LOL. A rooted android device offers you full control on what's running in the background. You can disable apps. Control apps network usage, etc. What can a user of an Apple device do? Everything is controlled by Apple. It's a closed architecture. Public knows nothing. You if you are an iphone user, you know nothing what apple put on your device and what personal data it's accessing (camera, microphone?) and storing.

  • KorakiosKorakios

    @israelite said:

    @Wyvern said:
    If I'm reading this right, it appears the EU is forcing Apple to allow different stores on phones and tablets. Ok, I get the freedom of choice angle. I suppose Apple could simply put warnings up saying if you go to external stores and your device gets wrecked or you get scammed as a result, tough. I don't see why Apple should be held accountable for that. If you want freedom of choice then you have to accept the risks involved. Part of the attraction of Apple devices is the walled garden and extra security. Anyone that's ever used a non-Pixel Android device knows what a disaster Android can be.

    Thankfully, the UK is no longer in the EU, but the EU has a bit of a reputation of being hostile to successful American companies.

    So many people living in fear... I am using a rooted android device since ages. Never experiencd any hacker attack LOL. A rooted android device offers you full control on what's running in the background. You can disable apps. Control apps network usage, etc. What can a user of an Apple device do? Everything is controlled by Apple. It's a closed architecture. Public knows nothing. You if you are an iphone user, you know nothing what apple put on your device and what personal data it's accessing (camera, microphone?) and storing.

    You never experienced any hacker attack because no-one bothered :p , you gained root access from a security flaw that still exists in your device .
    But the risk , I agree , is really low , most users get the OS infected by installing random apps

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  • NeuMNeuM
    edited January 26

    @tja said:

    @NeuM said:

    @mangecoeur said:
    Pure apple scaremongering, they make it sound like opening themselves to competing App Stores and payment systems is a blind jump into the unknown, when in fact desktop mac has worked exactly like this since forever and somehow we managed to avoid the apocalypse.

    On my mac i can buy games from Steam, get music or media without paying a cut to apple, write and run my own software and it’s just fine.

    They fact that it took the concerted anti-monopoly efforts of an entire continent to make something remotely similar possible on an ipad just shows the worrying scope of apple’s corporate influence. Anyway this is EU for now but there are similar efforts underway in japan and the us so we’ll see how it pans out.

    Apple is not now, nor have they ever been a monopoly. This is a group of uncompetitive businesses leveraging their influence in the EU in a bald attempt to have access to Apple's devices at no cost to them. Apple really needs to up their lobbying game. They'll get eaten alive otherwise.

    I really have problems to reply to such a ... bunch of strange ideas.
    Take a depth breath and finally open your eyes!

    Look at the list of companies being targeted. None of them are from the EU (with the exception of Sky... and they are treating the TV/streaming companies as if they were one company, which they certainly are not). The fact is it is almost impossible for EU companies to be competitive with the rest of the world with their oppressive regulatory requirements. The DMA is protectionist, plain and simple. And you can note for yourself that Android owns the majority of the EU market, not Apple.

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Markets_Act

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    Doors and windows come as optional extras with accommodations, they make the place accessible and yes liveable, of course that creates a risk but that’s life, face up to your responsibility.

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  • NeuMNeuM

    @tja said:
    I read a bit more about how Apple wants "to open" iOS and about the Core Technology Fee.

    Now, for me , this is a sad joke, a travesty.

    This is simply not what I was hoping for.
    I think, nearly nothing will change.

    I wonder why the EU accepted this joke 😅

    Ah, and did I read correctly: It's only about iOS, but not about iPadOS?
    Then it's even more useless.

    Apple is a business. They should be compensated by companies attempting to exploit them for a free ride. And if the EU attempts to force them to act against their own interests, they should withdraw from the EU market entirely.

  • jacoujacou
    edited January 26

    https://9to5mac.com/2024/01/26/ios-17-app-stores-and-more-ipad-changes/

    Well that’s not cool! The whole reason I got excited about this regulation was the possibility for some audio devs to sell their plugins independently outside of the iPad App Store.
    But with every article that I’m reading that hope is fading. We probably will never see many more great desktop plugins on iPad :(
    Most desktop plugin devs seem to like their freedom on desktop.

  • filo01filo01

    @jacou Thanks for the link, I'm on the same (sad) boat. :(

  • CarnbotCarnbot

    Yeah annoying that it's just iOS for now, but I'm sure it's just a long slow process and eventually they will have to comply with ipadOS too, they just hold back as long as possible.
    Apple should just realise how good for business it is, I'm much more likely to buy a new iPad if I can have more control over it, not worth it so much otherwise.

  • mangecoeurmangecoeur

    @filo01 said:
    @jacou Thanks for the link, I'm on the same (sad) boat. :(

    The devil is in the detail

    This applies only to iOS on the iPhone. iPadOS on the iPad is a completely different platform in the eyes of Apple and the European Commission.

    The last part "and the EC" is not fully true, it's Apple that has been pushing to claim that iPad app store and iPhone app store are completely unrelated but it will be up to the EU to decide whether they accept it or not. The EU has indicated they are not very open to shenanigans so we might see movement there still, especially on the web browser front.

    Apple allowing alternate browsers on iphone but not ipad just makes it even more obvious that their aim is to limit competition on the platform, which exactly what the DMA "gatekeeper" designation is intended to address.

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited January 26

    @mangecoeur said:

    @filo01 said:
    @jacou Thanks for the link, I'm on the same (sad) boat. :(

    The devil is in the detail

    This applies only to iOS on the iPhone. iPadOS on the iPad is a completely different platform in the eyes of Apple and the European Commission.

    The last part "and the EC" is not fully true, it's Apple that has been pushing to claim that iPad app store and iPhone app store are completely unrelated but it will be up to the EU to decide whether they accept it or not. The EU has indicated they are not very open to shenanigans so we might see movement there still, especially on the web browser front.

    Apple allowing alternate browsers on iphone but not ipad just makes it even more obvious that their aim is to limit competition on the platform, which exactly what the DMA "gatekeeper" designation is intended to address.

    There are plenty of browser alternatives on iPadOS: Firefox, Firefox Focus, DuckDuckGo, Microsoft Edge, Google Chrome, Opera, Brave, Aloha, TOR, and more. All available through the App Store.

  • jacoujacou

    Yes let’s see how the EC will respond. Hopefully they will follow through with their plan. It would only make sense for the iPad to become more like Mac. And part of that is the freedom to install any app from within or outside of the App Store. As iPad musicians we would only benefit from that. Or would we…

  • wimwim
    edited January 26

    @tja said:
    Feel free to just install from the App Store and be happy, but don't mourn about a completely normal thing, control over your devices!

    So let me get this straight ... you were forced to buy these closed devices?
    Or were you just hoodwinked into believing that they were open and free to do with them as you pleased?

    I'm so thankful I live in a part of the world where I'm free to choose which devices I purchase. It must be awful to be repressed so. I didn't realize these things happened in this day and age. I can understand now why you feel government should step in to restore your freedom.

    (yes ... once again ... irony. Or is it sarcasm? 🤷🏼‍♂️ You pick.)

  • michael_mmichael_m

    @Carnbot said:
    Apple should just realise how good for business it is, I'm much more likely to buy a new iPad if I can have more control over it, not worth it so much otherwise.

    There are existing developers who have expressed concerns on this forum that it’s not looking very appealing to them from a time and cost perspective.

    I don’t think this is so black and white that definitive conclusions about the future can be drawn from a press release.

  • A_FoxA_Fox

    Its interesting how some view this… (goverment interference or… control).
    But at the same time not taking issue with the problem of corporate control… Apple saying what you can or can’t install and insisting upon who handles your transactions.
    I guess thats a weird cultural difference of priorities. But its right not to trust governments 😉
    If a car manufacturer insisted upon only buying “special extra safe” fuel with special checks done (only by them of course because you can’t trust anyone else), from their extra special Fuel Store, i think Americans would not be best pleased.

    When I bought my ipads… i knew “how it was” but it was begrudging. I’d love to use my old Ipad for emulators.
    I’m not in the EU but I hope I can fudge it via a VPN in Europe 🤣

    I have bought software online for my mac and windows, android, linux regularly for over 25 years. I’m quite sure I have never had a problem with legit paid software from reputable companies. Apples scaremongering may seem bad but… most people aren’t tech savvy I guess. Hopefully they’ll just stick to the app store.

  • wingwizardwingwizard
    edited January 26

    @wim said:
    It goes a lot farther than that. Much of it is dire warnings about potential privacy violations and financial fraud.

    Guess they felt they need to explain computers to people who have never used one, really shocking they didn’t also warn people that their children will immediately be groomed by cyber-nonces if they look at another AppStore

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