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Apple's press release about changes to EU App Store
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Not sure if the last part was sarcasm, but contrary to what most people seem to believe, corporations are indeed more trustworthy than governments.
Governments are entities which are totally outside anyone's control, with unlimited powers over you and your life, completely intransparent and not reporting to any "higher-ups", and universally known to be as corrupt as the dictionary definition of "corrupt" allows. They also have no financial responsibilities and can just "invent" money, thus they can do ludicrous bullshit and burn 100s of billions each year and nobody cares. Also, politicians have no liability for anything they do and any money they burn.
Most of this is the opposite for corporations. That's why I trust them more. You can burn me alive now 😉
What are you talking about? lol. The only greed is apples percentage from the App Store and lengthy history of illegal and controlling corporate policy, which is somehow normalised among the drone fanbase.
It’s like watching a bunch of released Apple prisoners covering their eyes and screaming in horror at sunlight
Statements like this need the equivalent of a "Community Notes".
Yes, but they are all required to use the Apple (Safari) WebKit underneath. They can implement their different UIs and other features, but their web interface is all the same. I use iCabMobile (which you omitted) because I prefer the interface, but when I check the User Agent, it is identified as Safari. This change will allow browsers to use their own code all the way down to the socket connection.
The irony.
All of those are forced by Apple's rules to use the same underlying browser engine as safari (WebKit), which makes it impossible to offer a number different technical capabilities from safari. For example, it is impossible for Firefox to offer browser extensions on ios/ipados the way it does on desktop, or for another browser to fast track the latest graphics apis (like WebGPU) that could enable more browser based games.
So, threaten to remove a legal right from people observing another legal right? I mean it does sound like Apple…
If they want to take a stand then they’ll need to stop taking money from people in a field they don’t feel able to compete in.
Dunno if you heard but they introduced voting. It’s CRAZY.
Also, no they literally don’t have unlimited powers. 😂
... which more than one developer here has said is a fair value and one they don't mind paying for what it offers.
I would be interested in some references for that statement of illegalities. I don't recall any preponderance of rulings against Apple over illegal practices. But I haven't paid all that much attention.
As for "controlling" corporate policy. I won't argue Apple isn't controlling, I don't quite get the outrage over that though. No one is forced to purchase Apple products. No one is forced to develop for them. There is no-one involved that doesn't have an alternative choice - and in fact percentage-wise more choose against than for.
I don't see much of people being afraid of the consequences (other than Apple of course 😉). To me the demarcation is more between those who feel this should be forced on Apple and those who feel it needn't be. At least that's my bent.
What is fascinating is Apple's way of "complying". It's as though a team of spoiled three year olds with advanced law degrees** designed the response. 😂
(** or my mother-in-law)
Apple has an app approval process for a reason. Once users start installing unvetted apps, Apple's responsibilities come to an end.
And is that a suggestion that people have a "legal right" to own Apple's products? No, they don't.
They prohibit unknown extensions for good reasons. They are vectors which can be exploited by hackers to compromise the user's device.
Malware is found on the appstore all the time. The "review" process is more about protecting Apples interests and profits than users security, of course.
Where's the evidence of this malware claim? I found an article from 2019 which cites a very small number of apps, which were all the doing of one developer.
https://www.wired.com/story/apple-app-store-malware-click-fraud/
And Apple protecting their interests is how they stay in business. It's how literally all businesses stay solvent.
I don't for a moment think any of that statement is for the benefit of consumers. It's to cover their own asses from lawsuits (as they should) , and to scare consumers. But probably mostly to thumb their nose at the EU for daring to try to tell them what to do. 😂
If Steve Jobs was still alive and in charge, he would immediately threaten to exit the EU market, but first ask customers there to give their lawmakers an earful.
Doesn't matter. Politicians will just do the opposite of what they said before the election. Happens all the time. Again, they cannot be held accountable. Also, "normal people" often cannot and do not make reasonable decisions when voting.
On paper, no. In practice, yes.
That is correct. That attribute is reserved for wives and teenage daughters.
Who decides what normal people are? And what is a reasonable decision? Other normal people? It sounds like the way faux-liberals in the English speaking west demonise anyone who has a viewpoint that challenges their own group dogma.
This is why I don’t vote. I’m severely physically disabled, unable to leave the house for three years and for most of the year trying to survive every day, and as such have far greater real world reasons to vote against the Conservative Party here given the illegality of the welfare state where I am (have beaten the government in court three times) than most. But I am not signing up with the self-aggrandising bourgeois hypocrites who make up the opposition.
These things are not divisible.
Almost all government policy making is to serve corporations and the economy. Money is always changing hands. I’m not an anti capitalist because they either smell strongly of damp hemp shirts and listen to the levellers or sit in Starbucks tweeting on their iPhones about Marx, but corporations to a large extent are the government,
Nothing is more conventional and affirming of the idea of external authority than counter culture,
No, I’m saying that if Apple wish to continue make enormous profits selling their products in an area where it is consumers legal right to have access to other AppStore’s they will need to also continue to provide those consumers with their legal right of a warranty that isn’t voided by them observing the former legal right.
Otherwise withdraw from trading in that area.
Apple’s policies are meaningless when they contravene law in the nations in which they trade.
I have to admit I don’t know specifically how to phrase this as like most people here im not a top solicitor in corporate law every country involved. But something along the lines of the above. They’ve just got away with it for a long time, ti a greater degree than most companies. So many dodgy practices in enforced obsolescence for starters
😂 thanks, that brightened up my evening. 😎
I ran out of steam a bit lol. And have some stuff going on but there are just so many where policy reversal has occurred - when I first got an iPad I was all outraged and incensed by it but since then, similarly to you, I’ve not been engaged. I remember them breaking the operation of a usb connection kit they sold by an update (at the usual absolutely eye gouging price for a piece of plastic) because a small minority of the people who bought it from them were using it to connect external hard drives and Apple did not like the tiny tiny effect on their profits this may have as they make so much money from ridiculous overcharging for storage tiers of their devices.
My sunlight horror comment was in reply to someone but there were a few quite emotional reactions early in thread. Also it was late and I’m an arsehole.
My main take is a person has to be such an ingrained submissive to think that corporations should not be subject to law. Whether or not it works in practice (it doesn’t) and to what degree, the idea of government is to run a country and when it fails the people give it the boot. The very idea of a company, and all its is, is to make money. Ti think the latter is more trustworthy than the former is absolutely mental and can only come from growing up watching and believing Marlboro commercials of something. However broken it is, law is desperately necessary to at least keep these vampires in check.
It’s really easy to rail on government, and also necessary given a lot of things, but the larger picture does get missed that we are actually able to do that without being executed like in some parts of the world and much of history. I dunno. F them and everything but it’s an interesting phenomenon that the more affluent and spoiled a people is the more outraged it is by everything.
I’ve seen loads of devs withdraw or refuse to put their products on the AppStore due to apples percentage relative to elsewhere. I was actually talking to a couple of really good vst producers about this recently as I was trying to get them to make their stuff on iOS. I don’t really want to give out names as was private email but it was looking for mediaeval/lute sounds as I’m an absolute weapon 😂
No, I agree with you about no one being forced to buy their products. It just f**ks me off with reasonable regularity but obviously not enough to stop buying iPads. I wouldn’t buy their other stuff though. That and having had to sit with creative teams of actual adults who think Apple are the cool media device company and not corporate and incporrate that into their identity via a bizarre corporate personal affiliation while a huge George Orwell branded Apple beams back at them from the enormous bezel on their iMac.
Your last comments characterises Apple really well imo haha. It’s how America reacts every time they try to tell another country what they expect them to do in a given political situation and find themselves lolled back across the Atlantic. I LOVE it with my most drooling schadenfreude. I remember France’s reaction to condoleeza rices attitude when telling them how they must act during the last war in the Middle East. It made me glad for the French which is a staggering state of affairs for an Englishman (je ne suis pas .. si… sérieux)
In 6 month I’ll probably be on here, my iPad hissing and cursing while I call the local exorcist, saying how much I hate the eu.
Great post @wingwizard 👍
We differ in where we feel the line should be drawn between free markets and government intervention, but I get you.
What bothers me is people rooting for governments to “fix” things that basically come down to choices they’ve made that they’re not happy with. They chose to purchase Apple products despite the known restrictions, aren’t happy with those limitations, and now want government to erase the consequences of that (poor?) decision. That just seems like a dangerous mindset to me. I personally fear government power more than corporate power. Mostly. Ymmv.
But that’s totally just my own perspective. I’m getting way too close to political lines here. I don’t expect a soul to agree with me. Gonna stop now. ✌️
Apple don’t own the device, so people have the right to chose what they do with it, that’s called freedom of choice, just like any other purchased product, that’s personal freedom, I could equally say if companies don’t want that freedom they shouldn’t sell their products, no one is forcing them to sell are they.
nvm
Just to add my mileage probably varies depending on what time of day it is and who has most recently pissed me off more 😂
I dislike media/educational power the most. But I will definitely leave that one for the same reasons as you.
If I buy a car from Audi I don’t automatically assume I can use Honda car parts on it. Why would anyone make the assumption an Apple device should be able to be forced to run whatever security-breaking app a person wants?
I like Apple’s closed ecosystem. I dont need to take control of my device, that is why I buy Apple in the first place. I will never own an Android device. I think it is ridiculous that government can force a company to go outside their business model. Hopefully Apple reconsiders and pulls their product from EU. That is how I would handle this.
While support for alternative browser engines sounds like a win for browser companies, Mozilla spokesperson Damiano DeMonte told The Verge that Firefox is "extremely disappointed" with the way Apple is implementing the feature because it does not extend to the iPad.
"We are still reviewing the technical details but are extremely disappointed with Apple's proposed plan to restrict the newly-announced BrowserEngineKit to EU-specific apps. The effect of this would be to force an independent browser like Firefox to build and maintain two separate browser implementations -- a burden Apple themselves will not have to bear."