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Digitakt II - Official thread

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  • OnfraySinOnfraySin

    Other thing that makes me love Elektron more.

    All the drama-cringe related to BoBeats and Jeremy (Red Means Recording)

    BoBeats deleted a lot of IG stories complain about Elektron didn't sent a DT II.

    And I LOVE IT!

  • mistercharliemistercharlie
    edited April 26

    @drez said:
    Also, you absolutely cannot use Koala at the speed at which you can use a Digitakt. You cannot come close to dialing in fine adjustments like you can on the Digitakt. I think most people that ding the Elektrons have never actually used one, or if they have, not for very long.

    I don’t know about that. I agree on the adjustments, and so on, but I can sample, chop, repitch and resample way way faster in Koala than on my Digitakt, which I’ve had for years on and off.

  • kirmesteggnokirmesteggno
    edited April 26

    @OnfraySin said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @OnfraySin said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @OnfraySin said:

    @dendy said:

    @kirmesteggno said:
    This is the easiest to digest video about the Digitakt 2 I've seen so far:

    Would this work?

    Just noticed one EXTREMELY important thing in Loopop review.

    THERE IS NO AVAILABLE OVERBRIDGE for DIGITAKT MK2 for now !!! It will be later available, but for now it is not. Means no multitrack audio over USB for now.

    The hardware platform is different from OG DT, so they need to rewrite all the Overbridge implementation

    Let's hope they include iOS. Are people demanding iOS Overbridge support in their forums?

    Nop

    Strange considering that the iPad thread over there is quite active. Even Ricky Tinez did a video on Logic a while ago. A good iOS integration would be a big win for "Dawless" or "Mouseless".

    iPad is not Dawless. At least not for me. And maybe the thread is active, but IRL, a few people uses iPad as a primary gadget on a music setup

    People don't use it because there are no role models who are using it, they don't know what's possible. The only thing that hardware has over ipad software is the symbiosis between physical controls/haptics and the software. Most hardware are just weak computers with shitty screens.

    Music apps with BT controllers designed specifically for them could be something. Imagine a midi controller designed for Drambo that works out of the box..

  • SergiuSergiu

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @OnfraySin said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @OnfraySin said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @OnfraySin said:

    @dendy said:

    @kirmesteggno said:
    This is the easiest to digest video about the Digitakt 2 I've seen so far:

    Would this work?

    Just noticed one EXTREMELY important thing in Loopop review.

    THERE IS NO AVAILABLE OVERBRIDGE for DIGITAKT MK2 for now !!! It will be later available, but for now it is not. Means no multitrack audio over USB for now.

    The hardware platform is different from OG DT, so they need to rewrite all the Overbridge implementation

    Let's hope they include iOS. Are people demanding iOS Overbridge support in their forums?

    Nop

    Strange considering that the iPad thread over there is quite active. Even Ricky Tinez did a video on Logic a while ago. A good iOS integration would be a big win for "Dawless" or "Mouseless".

    iPad is not Dawless. At least not for me. And maybe the thread is active, but IRL, a few people uses iPad as a primary gadget on a music setup

    People don't use it because there are no role models who are using it, they don't know what's possible. The only thing that hardware has over ipad software is the symbiosis between physical controls/haptics and the software. Most hardware are just weak computers with shitty screens.

    Music apps with BT controllers designed specifically for them could be something. Imagine a midi controller designed for Drambo that works out of the box..

    Yes! Something like https://sound-force.nl/ is doing with its dedicated controllers for several synth plugins

  • dendydendy
    edited April 27

    unsurprising, every thread here ends "this can be done in Drambo too" 🤣🤣

    @OnfraySin said:
    Other thing that makes me love Elektron more.

    All the drama-cringe related to BoBeats and Jeremy (Red Means Recording)

    BoBeats deleted a lot of IG stories complain about Elektron didn't sent a DT II.

    And I LOVE IT!

    Yah... actially i am neutral to BoBeats, do not watch it, i rather watch Loopop or Captain Pikant - i think they have vastly more knowledge - but RMR is pure drama queen clown ..

  • kirmesteggnokirmesteggno

    @dendy said:
    unsurprising, every thread here ends "this can be dine in Drambo too"

    Isn't it true? 😅

    @Sergiu said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @OnfraySin said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @OnfraySin said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @OnfraySin said:

    @dendy said:

    @kirmesteggno said:
    This is the easiest to digest video about the Digitakt 2 I've seen so far:

    Would this work?

    Just noticed one EXTREMELY important thing in Loopop review.

    THERE IS NO AVAILABLE OVERBRIDGE for DIGITAKT MK2 for now !!! It will be later available, but for now it is not. Means no multitrack audio over USB for now.

    The hardware platform is different from OG DT, so they need to rewrite all the Overbridge implementation

    Let's hope they include iOS. Are people demanding iOS Overbridge support in their forums?

    Nop

    Strange considering that the iPad thread over there is quite active. Even Ricky Tinez did a video on Logic a while ago. A good iOS integration would be a big win for "Dawless" or "Mouseless".

    iPad is not Dawless. At least not for me. And maybe the thread is active, but IRL, a few people uses iPad as a primary gadget on a music setup

    People don't use it because there are no role models who are using it, they don't know what's possible. The only thing that hardware has over ipad software is the symbiosis between physical controls/haptics and the software. Most hardware are just weak computers with shitty screens.

    Music apps with BT controllers designed specifically for them could be something. Imagine a midi controller designed for Drambo that works out of the box..

    Yes! Something like https://sound-force.nl/ is doing with its dedicated controllers for several synth plugins

    Or something like the MPC fly in good, where the app is designed with the midi controller in mind and kinda limited without it. Why waste the screen space for on screen pads if theyre already on the controller and things like that. Freeing some on screen touch input for hardware inputs could improve overall usability a lot.

  • mistercharliemistercharlie

    Didn’t Red Means Recording leak the first Model:Something from Elektron?

  • kirmesteggnokirmesteggno

    Actually cool from Elektron to not do those InMusic/Akai style roll outs where they send it to everybody over a hundred subs.

  • Antos3345Antos3345

    @qqq said:

    @Antos3345 said:

    @qqq said:
    For those who are lusting after the euclidean sequencing in the Digitakt II (& Rytm II), I made this Drambo rack does the same euclidean comparison magic o:) . Its actually even more powerful because you can still use Drambo's euclidean accents and note values to make complex rhythms.

    https://patchstorage.com/euclidean-logic/

    That's awesome! Is it shareable?

    The link is above the video if that's what you mean :smile: If you want to post it other places of course :wink:

    awesome:)

  • qqqqqq

    I've owned multiple pieces of Elektron gear over the years and they are amazing. I've sold them all though, because my brain doesn't gel with the way that all track sequences are tied to a pattern and you have switch them all at once. I really prefer a grid-based pattern approach (e.g. Ableton and Drambo).

    If Elektron ever releases gear where you can switch individual sequences in a pattern I'll be back on board. Having dedicated hardware for sequencing is really really nice.

  • drezdrez
    edited April 26

    @mistercharlie said:

    @drez said:
    Also, you absolutely cannot use Koala at the speed at which you can use a Digitakt. You cannot come close to dialing in fine adjustments like you can on the Digitakt. I think most people that ding the Elektrons have never actually used one, or if they have, not for very long.

    I don’t know about that. I agree on the adjustments, and so on, but I can sample, chop, repitch and resample way way faster in Koala than on my Digitakt, which I’ve had for years on and off.

    Sure but can you, as the song is going, switch between now 16 tracks and tweak all of the individual parameters through the pages, do parameter locks per step, copy those plocks quickly to any of the other pads, tweak those plocks, assign LFO's, mass mute/unmute perfectly in time because they are buttons and not glass, etc?

    On the Digitakt (or any elektron) when you drop a sample on a specific trigger or the default for the entire track, going into each step and adjusting them is just holding down that trigger or even multiple triggers, going to the sample page and making the adjustment. I don't know at what detail you are workin on your individual triggers, but having the hardware married to the menu system is unbelievably efficient on the elektrons. And those workflows have been improved even more on v2.

    IMO, glass will always be less accurate and way more error prone than physical hardware.

  • mistercharliemistercharlie

    @drez I definitely agree with how easy all that is on the Digitakt, but I think that the Digitakt and Koala are both quite different, and better at different things. I definitely miss the depth of the Digitakt when using Koala, but I also find it a pain to actually sample on the Digitakt.

    My current setup is Koala on an iPad, with a custom QWERTY keyboard, connected to the Push 3 and/or Ableton.

    In the end, I like them all, and they all lead me to different places.

  • tahichetahiche

    @OnfraySin said:

    @tahiche said:
    One big issue I have with the “old” Digitakt is that when you setup midi tracks to send to iPad synths or apps, the only way you have of saving these is in a project, and then you have to “rebuild” all your sample tracks. I guess the new kit and preset features are going to be really helpful in this.

    Ep! You can passthrough the audio from external inputs of Digitakt to iPad! Even process the signal with reverb or delay like an insert!

    I don’t think you can… how?.
    I mean if the Digitakt is playing, you’d just get the stereo output with everything in it… What I guess I mean is separate inputs from the jack ins to the IPad, so you could use it like a “regular” sound card.

  • OnfraySinOnfraySin

    @tahiche said:

    @OnfraySin said:

    @tahiche said:
    One big issue I have with the “old” Digitakt is that when you setup midi tracks to send to iPad synths or apps, the only way you have of saving these is in a project, and then you have to “rebuild” all your sample tracks. I guess the new kit and preset features are going to be really helpful in this.

    Ep! You can passthrough the audio from external inputs of Digitakt to iPad! Even process the signal with reverb or delay like an insert!

    I don’t think you can… how?.
    I mean if the Digitakt is playing, you’d just get the stereo output with everything in it… What I guess I mean is separate inputs from the jack ins to the IPad, so you could use it like a “regular” sound card.

    What I mean, you can connect any audio source into the Digitakt, passthrough the signal to iPad and record the signal on Aum or Logic from the audio source.

  • axensaxens
    edited April 26

    At first, I thought it is a great device. Coming from the Machinedrum, I used to love the Elektron way, and now the Digitakt 2 has solved a lot of issues that held me back from getting the first one.

    But now, after the short dopamine spike is over, I feel it mostly is just boring. It even feels kind of outdated or out of place. Will this really be the machine for upcoming years? Not portable, thick box, pixelated wonky graphics, those clicky buttons, that have lost their charm for me over the decades, the menu diving, the Nokia style keyboard...

    And then all the missing features, that a modern device with some computing power could easily have, like polyphony, a nice reverb and a high end timestretch algo. Soundwise not sure, from what I've heard it sounds a bit wooden. And even the sequencer seems outdated nowadays, given the features we have seen from others like OP-Z (step components), Torso and so on. Actually, even Roland has some fresher features like step loops. Not to mention all the sequencing and midi apps.

    Maybe I am missing something, Overbridge would be pretty cool with the 16 stereo tracks, but overall I am just underwhelmed.

  • drezdrez

    @mistercharlie said:
    @drez I definitely agree with how easy all that is on the Digitakt, but I think that the Digitakt and Koala are both quite different, and better at different things. I definitely miss the depth of the Digitakt when using Koala, but I also find it a pain to actually sample on the Digitakt.

    My current setup is Koala on an iPad, with a custom QWERTY keyboard, connected to the Push 3 and/or Ableton.

    In the end, I like them all, and they all lead me to different places.

    And honestly, this is what I'm kind of "leading you to" (which you already know) and many others on this thread and other threads...

    These are really different animals. There is overlap, but honestly very different paradigm for how they make music. The advantages play out in different scenarios. If I'm "performing the thing", I feel like that the Elektrons are superior. I could see the sampling piece for "external sampling" and having an iPad able to just route any AUM track or whatever right into Koala makes it really slick and easy. Digitakt doesn't include any of those things (closed system) but personally, my workflow is just dropping samples onto the unit that I've gotten from my desktop and NOT the iPad, so I definitely have a biased workflow that isn't iOS'y.

    I think it would be awesome if they could build like a "Transfer" product on iOS and I thought that somebody actually did that for the octatrack years ago, but that would help maybe? But there just aren't enough out in the masses to invest in it from an Elektron perspective. Would have to be 3rd party indie dev, most likely.

    I would think there would be zero chance overbridge comes to iOS. If you work with it on desktop, it becomes kind of obvious how difficult it would be to do, ie how they separate things on channels, how everything (automation) is all on basically one channel in that plugin, but all the routing goes elsewhere. It would be hard to support that across all the available hosts on iOS and not have problems on each. Just a headache.

  • drezdrez

    I'd encourage everyone that just thinks its a drum machine to checkout the "Sound Examples" from elektrons product page:

    https://www.elektron.se/us/digitakt-ii-explorer

  • tahichetahiche

    @kirmesteggno said:
    Music apps with BT controllers designed specifically for them could be something. Imagine a midi controller designed for Drambo that works out of the box..

    👆👏I’ve been saying this forever. You’d get a kick-ass processor, storage and an amazing screen. Then 200€ controller specifically designed for an app, which you can plug/unplug when you need to or have a couple of them at the same time. Not only we’d get better hardware but it’s also easily upgradable and more ecological.

  • tahichetahiche

    @OnfraySin said:

    @tahiche said:

    @OnfraySin said:

    @tahiche said:
    One big issue I have with the “old” Digitakt is that when you setup midi tracks to send to iPad synths or apps, the only way you have of saving these is in a project, and then you have to “rebuild” all your sample tracks. I guess the new kit and preset features are going to be really helpful in this.

    Ep! You can passthrough the audio from external inputs of Digitakt to iPad! Even process the signal with reverb or delay like an insert!

    I don’t think you can… how?.
    I mean if the Digitakt is playing, you’d just get the stereo output with everything in it… What I guess I mean is separate inputs from the jack ins to the IPad, so you could use it like a “regular” sound card.

    What I mean, you can connect any audio source into the Digitakt, passthrough the signal to iPad and record the signal on Aum or Logic from the audio source.

    I’ve f you some beats playing on the DT, those will be summed with the inputs. I’d want to be able to record just the input (for example guitar or keyboard), that’s not possible, you’d need a couple of extra usb outputs.

  • kirmesteggnokirmesteggno
    edited April 26

    @tahiche said:

    @kirmesteggno said:
    Music apps with BT controllers designed specifically for them could be something. Imagine a midi controller designed for Drambo that works out of the box..

    👆👏I’ve been saying this forever. You’d get a kick-ass processor, storage and an amazing screen. Then 200€ controller specifically designed for an app, which you can plug/unplug when you need to or have a couple of them at the same time. Not only we’d get better hardware but it’s also easily upgradable and more ecological.

    We'd need some kind of midi controller framework/design system like the software frameworks devs use for their apps (e.g. Juce), for hardware, so that future apps and hardware combinations can be developed blending both worlds.

    What's also kinda cool for this is eye tracking, because if this comes to the ipad from the Vision Pro it could enable controllers with the need of a lot less controls because any part of the UI you're looking at could activate the same knob or fader.

  • dendydendy
    edited April 26

    @drez said:
    I'd encourage everyone that just thinks its a drum machine to checkout the "Sound Examples" from elektrons product page:

    https://www.elektron.se/us/digitakt-ii-explorer

    just plain 3 audio rate (up to 2khz) LFOs are something hard to beat in most of iOS apps (and even most of HW boxes. And thing is - anything you modulate with them, even on max extreme settings - sounds alway great - which is definitely not something younsee very often .. most of populat iOS apps can't handle properly even much smaller LFO rates withpu sound completely breaking apart

  • joaehunjoaehun

    @tahiche said:
    For iPad users it’d be huge if you could access the DT inputs (jacks 1 &2) when using the DT as audio interface. I don’t know why it’s not currently possible, I see no technical impediment. It’d make the DT + iPad a killer combo with no need for extra interfaces if you wanted to add some instruments or vocals.

    with audio over usb that would be really cool. wouldn't need to plug and unplug my zoom h4n interface and my usb audio hub everytime i want to make music with ipad

  • ChrisGChrisG

    It’s so flutey https://cdn.www.elektron.se/media/demo_sounds/Flutes.mp3

  • tahichetahiche

    @joaehun said:

    @tahiche said:
    For iPad users it’d be huge if you could access the DT inputs (jacks 1 &2) when using the DT as audio interface. I don’t know why it’s not currently possible, I see no technical impediment. It’d make the DT + iPad a killer combo with no need for extra interfaces if you wanted to add some instruments or vocals.

    with audio over usb that would be really cool. wouldn't need to plug and unplug my zoom h4n interface and my usb audio hub everytime i want to make music with ipad

    Since iOS 17 I believe the iPad supports multiple audio interfaces, when implemented by a daw like Logic, you can choose one or the other. So you shouldn’t need to plug/unplug. But still, it’d make sense to not need 2 interfaces, if you could only access the DT inputs.

  • kirmesteggnokirmesteggno

    @dendy said:

    @drez said:
    I'd encourage everyone that just thinks its a drum machine to checkout the "Sound Examples" from elektrons product page:

    https://www.elektron.se/us/digitakt-ii-explorer

    just plain 3 audio rate (up to 2khz) LFOs are something hard to beat in most of iOS apps (and even most of HW boxes. And thing is - anything you modulate with them, even on max extreme settings - sounds alway great - which is definitely not something younsee very often .. most of populat iOS apps can't handle properly even much smaller LFO rates withpu sound completely breaking apart

    Let's make a comparison with the same source sample once you get yours, If it's really so much better it would be another big reason to get one for me. My feeling is that the guys at Elektron just have a great taste, sound wise and visually branding wise of course.

  • israeliteisraelite
    edited April 27

    So glad I have sold my Digitakt before prices of MK1 would go down :lol:

  • israeliteisraelite

    @OnfraySin said:

    And I LOVE IT!

    >

    BoBeats deleted a lot of IG stories complain about Elektron didn't sent a DT II.

    And I LOVE IT!

    Yah... actially i am neutral to BoBeats, do not watch it, i rather watch Loopop or Captain Pikant - i think they have vastly more knowledge - but RMR is pure drama queen clown ..

    Completely ridiculous that these "influencers" feel entitled to receive free gear. It only makes me lose respect to them. So many video these days. Who cares about their opinion. Just watch loopop for straight on facts and you are covered. Cheers

  • monomatikmonomatik

    @israelite said:
    So glad I have sold my Digitakt before prices of MK1 would go down :lol:

    Same. Three weeks ago, I sold my Digitakt on one Polish online marketplace. It went quite quickly because I set a low price. There was another one for sale besides mine. And this morning when I checked there were 18 Digitakts for sale and many with a price lower than I sold. Crazy.

  • israeliteisraelite

    @monomatik said:

    @israelite said:
    So glad I have sold my Digitakt before prices of MK1 would go down :lol:

    Same. Three weeks ago, I sold my Digitakt on one Polish online marketplace. It went quite quickly because I set a low price. There was another one for sale besides mine. And this morning when I checked there were 18 Digitakts for sale and many with a price lower than I sold. Crazy.

    Allegro? Cheers, I am also from Poland although don't live there anymore.

  • monomatikmonomatik

    @israelite said:
    Allegro? Cheers, I am also from Poland although don't live there anymore.

    Ha, nice! :) But it wasn't allegro, there now actually only professional sellers sell. Now in Poland the market for used stuff is dominated by Olx.

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