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Curious what the proposed remedy will be. Break them up? Separate OS and hardware into two different companies ? DOJ writes the SW feature list ?
I think it's more a matter of litigating until the next administration comes in.
Heh, good stuff. I started with desktop Linux around the same time, SuSE Linux 6.1 in 1997 🥰 Man I'm old.
If you have too much free time, you could check Debian Stable (or Ubuntu if you're that kind of guy) again -- even though it hasn't taken over the desktop market by any means, it surely could've by now. The amount it has improved since the early days is stunning. I'm baffled why anyone would use Windows or macOS these days, especially with all the bullshit and spyware going on in there. Ridiculous.
Oh and on the music front: You have BitWig now on Linux! (and soon Meow 🐈)
I love Linux. But for music? Wouldn't touch it over MacOS or even Windows. Ever.
Satisfying my geekery addiction and making music overlap somewhat, but not that much by a long stretch.
Whether it was granted or not, (it was) and how me and many others sarcastically described it doesn’t really matter.
The point is Apple uses the protections and regulations to protect itself, and thus also has to abide by them.
You may find your free market dreams and Apple are not at all compatible, they do indeed play the game and do plenty of lobbying, plenty of suing etc.
Apple has clearly demonstrated its market place is not a free market.
The idea that Apple should be allowed to run a huge monopolised unfree market, because that it is in the interests of free markets is absolutely absurd.
Another example… the allegation Apple is Making other peoples products run badly? If so… that really is not the idea of a free market. Its sabotage.
Apple has 55% of the US smartphone market. The idea that they’re a monopoly is absurd. And one wonders whether DOJ is planning to go after video game consoles next, since (as has been observed ad nauseam in relation to the kerfuffle with Epic) they engage in exactly the same behavior.
Yes, actually I would like a Pi5 for Renoise, but its just purist folly, it runs on my mac anyhow. I do enjoy a bit of tinkering but have less and less time with the responsibilities of old age 🤣 It was indeed entirely motivated by an anti corporate stance i have largely given up on. In Apples defence, most companies don’t fork out big money for suicide nets. 🙈
@wim good choice. I wasted a whack of time really. Not making music and not becoming particularly good with the linux terminal.
Just wondering, do you have the "Linux in the late 90s" vibe still in your head? It's really quite different nowadays. In usability and out-of-the-box-ness, it's really not very different from Windows or macOS.
I've never actually used a Pi... when I need a tiny controller for something, I mostly use some decommissioned old iPhone. It has the advantages of a great built-in UI (touchscreen) and enough "I/O" for many needs. For example, I once used an iPhone to control 2 relays over wifi... just get two light-sensitive switches for $3 each off Amazon, and make an app that switches each half of the display between black and white... glue switches to display, done.
I don’t know - you were the one that said “The law is what is relevant. The law is to try and prevent monopolies…”
Is this a case of going for some low hanging fruit in an election year? Should be able to make it last at least for the rest of the year.
Coz, there is no money to be made by corporates is the ONLY reason...and of course once you add corporates there goes "open-source"
Yes but you said this..
"How is it irrelevant when anyone can go buy an Android phone from a number of different companies?
I can’t think of any action by Apple that has prevented anyone from buying whatever brand of phone they want."
That's not what the case is about.
You're simply jumping the gun and straw manning really.
I do get that some Libertarians go ape poop crazy at any government interference.
If the allegations are true, It does negatively affect the choices available to you and it does negatively affect competitors businesses negatively. Somebody can make an app and Apple says "Nope, not in our market, we have the freedom to stop that".
Nobody is stepping on your snake, unless you are an apple share holder.
This is legal test to find if Apple is stepping on peoples snakes.
Not very liberal is it? Stopping peoples software from working?
I agree with all those who say that consumers can choose what they want, they are not being forced to buy anything...this is mostly FOMO by the other device (other=anything other than Apple) that they cannot have the toy as well.
Apple are perfectly entitled to run a closed and secure (relatively) OS, it's their intellectual property which we CHOOSE to buy into.
Everything else is corporates just trying to get greedier and take a slice of the Apple. Jealousy and greed!
Three things:
I still have absolutely no idea why you think the original quote here is irrelevant and why you think there is a relevant law that is being brought to bear.
What am I jumping the gun on?
I don’t think you understand what a straw man argument is.
No. I go back for another look regularly. The needle has moved but not nearly enough as regards music production. I always come away with a solid "Yuck, no way". Even with the optimized distributions for music. Seriously, even Windows kicks ass on Linux for music stuff.
For other things, it's fine. And in case you think I just don't like getting my hands dirty with all the command line stuff, it's actually one of the things I like to do best, and I'm good at it. But that ain't what I want to think about when it comes to making some music.
Music making in a terminal emulator. Now there’s a challenge…
Straw Manning is misrepresenting someones argument. In this instance, it is missrepresenting the DOJ argument. You said “I can’t think of any action by Apple that has prevented anyone from buying whatever brand of phone they want.” Thats a straw man, it’s not entirely what is happening, at best it’s an incredibly simplistic take on the situation.
However, there are allegations that people can get locked into the ecosystem, so if you are not straw manning, you could simply be wrong, if Apple making migration expensive or difficult is deliberate.
In my opinion, it seems like many are Jumping the gun on the issue. Keen to pipe up at government interference, when actually a monopoly can be affecting peoples freedoms.
Its my iPad, Its My Phone. Apple should not be able to dictate who I buy software from, nor what software I can or can’t run. Nor should they be able to limit or hinder the functionality of competitors products connected to my phone/ipad.
Nothing about those hinderances are libertarian- they are entirely functioned by perverting current legal regulations beyond their intended purpose.
Thats why you are jumping the gun.
Actually, that's kind of fun using Orca. 😎
That’s not what a straw man argument is, and even if simply misrepresenting another person’s argument is the definition, I can hardly be doing that as I don’t know what your argument actually is. Refute my statement that I can’t think of any action that Apple has taken to prevent any phone that they want. It’s a simple statement that I think holds true under scrutiny, and it’s not intended as a misrepresentation of anything that was stated prior to that.
Not really sure what you think I’m jumping the gun on either, as I have asked why you think the original argument is irrelevant. I didn’t state that I have any libertarian positions or that I have opinions one way or the other here.
Apple has a right to defend their actions and engage legal representation to argue their case. There is no guilt thus far, just charges. That’s how the American legal system works.
Haven’t tried that. I was a Unix user some years ago as it was the only option to access certain data and functionality in companies I worked for, but I haven’t made any effort to seek out the terminal function for anything for quite some years. (Although I have had to learn a little RHL from time to time).
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Somewhat true, yes.
But I've never managed to make music with an OS. I always had to use some other program.
Has it changed? 😉
Linux? I haven’t tried for a few years, but I did try putting together music with it and it is somewhat limited. Fine for recording multitrack audio, but nowhere near the flexibility and breadth of a Mac (or Windows I assume).
My comment wasn't meant to be too serious - what I wanted to say is that as long as the great apps are available and the OS is stable, the OS hardly makes any difference to me.
Although I must say that Windows and other MS software is more and more getting in the way of being productive, by suggesting or doing things that I don't want but making it harder to access the things I do want. Kind of "we've achieved the best so if we can't improve it, let's crush it" and one day we can proudly announce that we've improved it again 😄
Renoise, Bitwig and Harrison Mixbus used to be the only commercial options. I got into Linux over a decade ago because I was building HTPCs (Home Theater PCs) back then, and for that it was the best DIY option. Eventually tried to make it work as a daily driver but in the end I switched to Mac which felt like a really polished Linux distro.
I also kept a Thinkpad with Renoise running on Arch Linux for a while, its one of the distros which makes building your own operating system "easy". Also got rif of it after getting into Ableton on the Mac.
Renoise on an old Thinkpad can be nice and feel like standalone hardware if you use it with a script booting directly into it, so that you don't even see the operating system other than when booting up or organizing files.
I really wanted to make the Linux thing work with audio and I know some people get it to work, but I don’t like to think that hard when I’m in creative mode and for the reason the Apple world works for me. Audio and MIDI setup on the Mac is way easier to work with than either Linux or Windows in my world and thankfully the programmes I like to use are available there - plus a few nice plugins.
There was an artist who streamed various DLL's and OS kernels as PCM data. Can't seem to find it, but maybe this is it - though this album is a bit less raw than the one I remembered - maybe it's in the discography.
https://stallio.bandcamp.com/album/on-the-dll
I did that once here on a thread where people were discussing what's apparently called "Noise Music". Sure enough everyone congratulated me on my skills 😂
Interesting... yeah I haven't ever used Linux and the available software there for "serious" music production, but I do notice that most everyday problems of the past (non-availability of any decent DAW, huge latency, dodgy system mixer libraries etc.) seem to be solved?
The only thing I touch the command line for on my desktop box is the odd mount command as root... if you need the command line in Linux in 2024 for everyday tasks, YoureDoingItWrong 😉😄