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Polished on the surface! It's all just a coat of paint. Deep down, macOS is a technical disaster as much as Linux is 😄 (probably worse), but with the "advantages" of having ZERO features and flexibility out of the box!
Sorry, I think I've derailed the thread and have inadvertently switched into a terrible "Linux Fanboy" mode. I'll be good now! 🥴
You're Lennart Poettering (systemD)! 😅
Don’t worry - the thread’s far more pleasant now! 😀
Didn’t Apple at one point let you download Darwin for free? Seems like that was years ago, but I do recall people running it and doing ‘Mac’ on the command line only.
Haha, that's insane! 😂
Hmmm not really. It's based on BSD not Linux, and at least there's not a whole bunch of hyper motivated Linux fanboys introducing concurring service and configuration concepts making the system somewhat messy over the years. No disrespect, the Linux developer community is nothing short of outstanding, but I dare to say that today, MacOS is a much more streamlined Unix variant that I personally like a lot, once getting used to the concepts behind the stage.
I don't know that man but I do know there was a lot of controversy around it... ☺️
Seems like it wasn’t just the ‘EU bureaucrats’ then…
I LoLLL hard
Ah bollocks sorry I’ve derailed the derailing but it was deserved.
Thoughts and prayers thoughts and prayers to the small business affected
Nah. It’s the “EU bureaucrats” who work in today’s Washington, D.C.; https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2023/03/ftc-justice-department-european-commission-hold-third-us-eu-joint-technology-competition-policy
Systemd made Linux less modular in a way, Poettering basically tried to mimic Apple system services and polarized the community by doing so. For desktop Linux distros and cohesion of the entire system it wasn't that bad.
Systemd came to mind after you made the comparison with OSX.
OK. Yeah I think I vaguely remember that SysV Init was used previously in most distros? I think SuSE 6.1 had it in 1997 it was script-based I think, so certainly more true to the UNIX philosophy...
I don’t get the replies from people I blocked. I just see the ghost image and notification. It’s delicious.
Yup, the core UNIX stuff is very old and still works basically the same way. When Linux started they took a lot of inspiration from it. These days purists use OpenBSD which is closest to the oldschool UNIX and goto for many C ultras.
When I got into Linux around 2010/11, systemd was already taking shape, and many audio people were mad about Poettering because he was also behind the Pure Audio stuff which wasn't suitable for music making, basically the equivalent of non Asio Windows audio for normal users.
I really like that Apple doesn't differentiate between pro and regular users with core audio and is multi purpose. In Windows and especially Linux you have to optimize the system towards a specific focus, and this can clash with other usecases.
The monopoly suit against Apple is well explored in the Big newsletter by Matt Stoller where he notes that this is only one of many suits occuring now in the U.S. against companies in fields such as real estate, airlines, concert and sports ticketing, foods, and pharmaceuticals. Some excerpts in the Apple case.
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And one reason is because in China there are what’s called ‘super apps’ like WeChat or Alipay. As Ben Thompson noted, WeChat has a lot of different functions, such as “communicating, reading news, hailing taxis, paying for lunch, accessing government resources, for business,” and so forth. If you switch from Apple to a different phone, you can just download your super apps, and voila, you’ve switched. Thus the underlying hardware is commodified; competition on smartphones happens via price and features, and it’s aggressive.
In the United States and the rest of the world, there are no super apps. Why? Because Apple, through its control of app stores, has banned them. It doesn’t allow rival app stores, and it doesn’t allow super apps to be sold through its own app store. According to the complaint, “as one Apple manager put it, allowing super apps to become ‘the main gateway where people play games, book a car, make payments, etc.’ would ‘let the barbarians in at the gate.’ Why? Because when a super app offers popular mini programs, ‘iOS stickiness goes down.’”
Apple’s own materials revealed in the complaint make the point even clearer. In one presentation to the board of directors, Apple highlighted the “[u]ndifferentiated user experience on [a] super platform” as a “major headwind” to growing iPhone sales in countries with popular super apps due to the “[l]ow stickiness” and “[l]ow switching cost.” It’s all about the switching costs.
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https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/why-the-apple-antitrust-suit-matters
Let’s look how at the Federal government defines a monopolist.
https://www.ftc.gov/advice-guidance/competition-guidance/guide-antitrust-laws/single-firm-conduct/monopolization-defined
“Obtaining a monopoly by superior products, innovation, or business acumen is legal…”
Oh, that’s interesting.
Imagine if they could work together to free the locked up US aid package to Ukraine. Seems to be something that should take priority over literally everything.
Some real reaching going on lol. Who knew the ‘eu bureaucrats’ had a fifth column. Definitely no US involvement in a US government action.
Bring back maccarthy.
I imagine eu bureaucrats have infiltrated the us aid package delivery system, swung in from the rooftops and kicked the windows in, in order to hurt small businesses. Check mate.
Great post. People are getting lost in the weeds discussing whether it is a monopoly or not. The main point is the practises Apple is accused of engaging in here, like not issuing approval for clever apps that it views as being likely to eat its market share, are indeed anti-competitive, are indeed bad for consumers and for society as a whole.
And, as others here have mentioned, nowhere in the free world are markets really free, and thank god for that. The closest we've come to that is actually with the monetary policies implemented in Russia after the collapse of Communism, under the guidance of western economists. Those misguided policies are actually what led to the rise of oligarchy there - Adam Curtis's Traumazone documentary, free on YouTube, offers great insight into this.
Equally, we are not just rational beings thinking in some kind of vacuum and free to do whatever we want as some commentators here seem to think. Without getting bogged down in a discussion of the philosophical free will vs determinism debate, I'm sure everyone can agree that they have often made suboptimal choices. All decisions are embodied and are conditioned. There is a ton of incontrovertible evidence that, for example, judges are more likely to rule unfavourably in cases when they are hungry than when they have just had lunch.
I'm completely in favour of the US govt investigating Apple in this case, and I hope that Apple is forced to change its ways if found guilty.
Is Ben Thompson arguing in favor or against Chinese government survelliance/social credit score apps like WeChat and AliPay? The US sure as hell should not be following the path of China. And I’m far more inclined to trust a company than I am the US government (or any government, for that matter).
https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/wechat-surveillance-users-outside-china-1.5558503
Anyone can jailbreak their iDevice and load whatever on it. iOS as a closed platform IS the Apple brand, and allowing wonky apps and openings for viruses will cause problems that will tarnish the Apple brand. One can’t argue that this strategy failed for Apple.
Abstracting the operating system layer would also disincetivize investments into the OS itself because all that would be needed is a thin layer to run those super apps. It's not good for realtime applications like audio that need to work "close to the metal".
The monopoly would just shift to super apps with the most predatory behavioral economics (dark UX patterns).
This comment cuts to the core of this case and this thread. Thanks @Slam_Cut .
I don't think it does though, it only addresses part of it, because there is also this aspect which is simply about Apple not wanting to allow apps that might make it easy for people to switch from Apple to Android while having the same experience they're used to on their iPad, and this is all about maintaining Apple's dominance and nothing to do with what's good for users.
From Deskscape's post:
"Apple.... doesn’t allow super apps to be sold through its own app store. According to the complaint, “as one Apple manager put it, allowing super apps to become ‘the main gateway where people play games, book a car, make payments, etc.’ would ‘let the barbarians in at the gate.’ Why? Because when a super app offers popular mini programs, ‘iOS stickiness goes down.’”
Since “super apps” have been defined as Chinese government approved apps, I’m going out on a limb and will say they’re really “super” for spying on users and not much else.
Yeah, actually all Chinese businesses observe the command of their government. The government can push a malicious update through M-Vave controller software if they want.
No. That's not how they have been defined by the poster, that's how you have decided to define them, and it is wrongly conflating two separate things. In this case, the term super app simply refers to apps with a large scope which combine the functions of many disparate apps into one app. This is not to say that there are not pros and cons to any app being that powerful. But in terms of govt access to info, there is nothing inherent in the definition of super app that says they need to be related to a social credit system etc.
They can, but there is no reason why Western govts must do the same. These detours are a distraction from the topic at hand, which is the assertion that Apple are engaged in anti-consumer practices such as not allowing apps on the store which, despite not being safety risks of any kind, are threats to Apple's dominance. Let's stay on track!
Super apps are those you use for your daily communication and ordinary things, thus making them a lot more attractive for (government) spying due to the amount and depth of the data they collect.
Apple controls the app to app communications through their APIs (e.g. app x asking for permission to access y). If you abstract this layer outside of the realm they control you basically hand this control to the makers of the super apps who will of course control the communication within the app and its sub-apps. It's not governments which are that much of a danger in the west, but rogue businesses acting above the law, more and more AI powered too.
Forcing Apple to allow super apps would be a capital mistake. I don't know about you but I trust Apple more than Meta or X who will undoubtedly be the biggest benefitioners of such a move.